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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 17:12:35 GMT -5
It’d be funny if he almost was traded for Chris Martin.
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Post by nomar on Jul 2, 2023 17:33:47 GMT -5
It’d be funny if he almost was traded for Chris Martin. Last year? He would have been traded for a Netflix login. What a difference a little time can make with a young player
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 2, 2023 17:35:00 GMT -5
Late 22 like the trade deadline, or the winter meetings?
Last year when we got several tiny returns for guys we were DFA'ing I kept thinking "Yeah, I'd take that for Jarren Duran". And now I'm not sure who would have to sweeten the pot in a Juan Soto swap.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 2, 2023 17:47:03 GMT -5
He's tied for 5th in the majors in doubles, 3 behind the MLB leader. Everybody above him has at least 100 more PAs.
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Post by manfred on Jul 2, 2023 18:07:16 GMT -5
He's tied for 5th in the majors in doubles, 3 behind the MLB leader. Everybody above him has at least 100 more PAs. And 15 SBs, which turn singles into doubles. I genuinely believe there is no turning back now… he is the man.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 2, 2023 18:35:56 GMT -5
It’d be funny if he almost was traded for Chris Martin. Last year? He would have been traded for a Netflix login. What a difference a little time can make with a young player Agreed. It's exactly why we as fans need to temper our shorterm expectations.
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Post by costpet on Jul 2, 2023 19:30:56 GMT -5
Maybe Casas does it, too.
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Post by kingstephanos on Jul 2, 2023 19:32:25 GMT -5
I'd agree to disagree on tempering expectations universally.
The Franchy Cordero train is ready for passengers anytime now.
Dalbec too for that matter too (even though his number of MLB ABs is pretty high at this point)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2023 21:14:42 GMT -5
Late 22 like the trade deadline, or the winter meetings?
Last year when we got several tiny returns for guys we were DFA'ing I kept thinking "Yeah, I'd take that for Jarren Duran". And now I'm not sure who would have to sweeten the pot in a Juan Soto swap.
Actually that’s a good question - I assumed Gammons meant late July 2022, when Chicago dealt David Robertson, Chris Martin, Effross - and almost traded Wilson Contreras to the Astros before Dusty Baker allegedly squashed it. Not sure what else could have been targeted at that point with Sox buying and selling (former Tampa Bay Ray Drew Smyly?) - but it’s possible late ‘2022 was in fact the off-season in which case I have no clue who who’s have been the target. Fwiw not surprised Cubs would have had some interest - Sox played Cubs literally a year ago at this time and Duran was at that point on a hot streak. Duran was 5 for 14 at Wrigley including a first pitch lead off homer. (I remember because I was there!)
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Post by manfred on Jul 3, 2023 10:49:57 GMT -5
A lot of talk about Verdugo being an all star on this board. But consider:
Verdugo: AB 308 2B: 26 HR: 6 RBI: 34 .295/.363/.464 Duran: AB 213 2B: 25 HR: 4 RBI: 29 .305/.356/.479 AND 15/16 SBs.
As good a season as Verdugo is having, I’d say Duran is still the better offensive player thus far.
Add: Duran is a tick higher in wRC+ and he is at 1.7 fWAR to Verdugo’s 2.1 — again, in 2/3 the ABs.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 3, 2023 11:07:51 GMT -5
A lot of talk about Verdugo being an all star on this board. But consider: Verdugo: AB 308 2B: 26 HR: 6 RBI: 34 .295/.363/.464 Duran: AB 213 2B: 25 HR: 4 RBI: 29 .305/.356/.479 AND 15/16 SBs. As good a season as Verdugo is having, I’d say Duran is still the better offensive player thus far. Add: Duran is a tick higher in wRC+ and he is at 1.7 fWAR to Verdugo’s 2.1 — again, in 2/3 the ABs. It's not a terrible case, but I think you have to factor in that part of the reason Duran has 100 fewer PAs is that he's been on the bench against most lefties, which obviously helps boost his numbers; Verdugo has 109 PAs against lefties (32%) while Duran has just 36 (15%).
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Post by terriblehondo on Jul 3, 2023 11:18:43 GMT -5
Amazing how Duran has changed the discussion. All credit to him for working his butt off.
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Post by manfred on Jul 3, 2023 11:35:26 GMT -5
A lot of talk about Verdugo being an all star on this board. But consider: Verdugo: AB 308 2B: 26 HR: 6 RBI: 34 .295/.363/.464 Duran: AB 213 2B: 25 HR: 4 RBI: 29 .305/.356/.479 AND 15/16 SBs. As good a season as Verdugo is having, I’d say Duran is still the better offensive player thus far. Add: Duran is a tick higher in wRC+ and he is at 1.7 fWAR to Verdugo’s 2.1 — again, in 2/3 the ABs. It's not a terrible case, but I think you have to factor in that part of the reason Duran has 100 fewer PAs is that he's been on the bench against most lefties, which obviously helps boost his numbers; Verdugo has 109 PAs against lefties (32%) while Duran has just 36 (15%). Good point. I join the chorus of “play him everyday” to see if he can compete full time. I can’t fully explain my attachment to Duran… I think I love his arc. Not a huge college prospect. Then explosion in the minors. Then collapse first time up. Then unexpected renaissance. His resilience just impresses the hell out of me. But he *must* see a barber.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 3, 2023 11:39:06 GMT -5
It's not a terrible case, but I think you have to factor in that part of the reason Duran has 100 fewer PAs is that he's been on the bench against most lefties, which obviously helps boost his numbers; Verdugo has 109 PAs against lefties (32%) while Duran has just 36 (15%). Good point. I join the chorus of “play him everyday” to see if he can compete full time. I can’t fully explain my attachment to Duran… I think I love his arc. Not a huge college prospect. Then explosion in the minors. Then collapse first time up. Then unexpected renaissance. His resilience just impresses the hell out of me. But he *must* see a barber. Yeah, I was as down on him as could be last year, after never being that high on him as a prospect, and would have traded him for a bucket of Franchies if I was the GM. And now I just love watching him play. It's rarely so fun to be so wrong!
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 3, 2023 11:46:20 GMT -5
It's not a terrible case, but I think you have to factor in that part of the reason Duran has 100 fewer PAs is that he's been on the bench against most lefties, which obviously helps boost his numbers; Verdugo has 109 PAs against lefties (32%) while Duran has just 36 (15%). Good point. I join the chorus of “play him everyday” to see if he can compete full time. I can’t fully explain my attachment to Duran… I think I love his arc. Not a huge college prospect. Then explosion in the minors. Then collapse first time up. Then unexpected renaissance. His resilience just impresses the hell out of me. But he *must* see a barber. Nah. His hitting powers come from the hair!
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Post by manfred on Jul 3, 2023 12:10:43 GMT -5
Good point. I join the chorus of “play him everyday” to see if he can compete full time. I can’t fully explain my attachment to Duran… I think I love his arc. Not a huge college prospect. Then explosion in the minors. Then collapse first time up. Then unexpected renaissance. His resilience just impresses the hell out of me. But he *must* see a barber. Nah. His hitting powers come from the hair! A year from now I’ll br so into it I’ll get my own Aussie-mullet.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 3, 2023 12:22:26 GMT -5
A lot of talk about Verdugo being an all star on this board. But consider: Verdugo: AB 308 2B: 26 HR: 6 RBI: 34 .295/.363/.464 Duran: AB 213 2B: 25 HR: 4 RBI: 29 .305/.356/.479 AND 15/16 SBs. As good a season as Verdugo is having, I’d say Duran is still the better offensive player thus far. Add: Duran is a tick higher in wRC+ and he is at 1.7 fWAR to Verdugo’s 2.1 — again, in 2/3 the ABs. Its a reasonable enough case but just on the WAR point Verdugo is still slightly ahead there on a per game basis, even after Duran’s explosion yesterday.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 3, 2023 12:42:07 GMT -5
What do we think he is 2 years from now? Overqualified Left Fielder? Long-term Center Fielder? Move over to Right if Duggie goes? He's obviously thriving more playing more often, so 4th Outfielder would be a waste (as of now). I think Overqualified Left Fielder would be the hope but doubt we get two better fielders by then.
I'm really excited that after a HORRID start he's really showing everything we hoped he might.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 3, 2023 12:51:03 GMT -5
The thing that excites me the most about Duran is how he is back to performing after a little slump. Given the nature of this business, one could have been forgiven for thinking his time in the sun was over but he's showing he's capable of making adjustments and working through rough patches. It's absolutely AMAZING how his defense has taken a massive step forward. I don't think this kid is ever going to win a gold glove but who would have bet on him becoming an average defense centerfielder a year ago? I don't cringe when the ball is hit his way anymore.
Some guys just have that ability to adjust, and step things up at a higher competition, and given the skill set this kid has (power + speed) makes things very exciting, and being able to play the outfield better has given him the leeway at the plate to work through a slump.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 3, 2023 13:35:55 GMT -5
Nah. His hitting powers come from the hair! A year from now I’ll br so into it I’ll get my own Aussie-mullet. Wait, everyone else didn't go get one after his first 20 games this year!?!
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Post by yuchangclan on Jul 3, 2023 15:01:10 GMT -5
A lot of talk about Verdugo being an all star on this board. But consider: Verdugo: AB 308 2B: 26 HR: 6 RBI: 34 .295/.363/.464 Duran: AB 213 2B: 25 HR: 4 RBI: 29 .305/.356/.479 AND 15/16 SBs. As good a season as Verdugo is having, I’d say Duran is still the better offensive player thus far. Add: Duran is a tick higher in wRC+ and he is at 1.7 fWAR to Verdugo’s 2.1 — again, in 2/3 the ABs. It's not a terrible case, but I think you have to factor in that part of the reason Duran has 100 fewer PAs is that he's been on the bench against most lefties, which obviously helps boost his numbers; Verdugo has 109 PAs against lefties (32%) while Duran has just 36 (15%). I’m sure this is true, but Duran has also sat against a bunch of righties. He should be in there virtually every day. Imagine sitting Jacoby Ellsbury when he was breaking out back in the day? It’s silly. Let him play!
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 3, 2023 19:48:29 GMT -5
Everyone is missing one of his best attributes.
From certain angles, he's a dead ringer for Ethan Hawke.
(Does this make my Ethan Hawke story on-topic?)
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Post by cdj on Jul 3, 2023 20:45:34 GMT -5
The thing that excites me the most about Duran is how he is back to performing after a little slump. Given the nature of this business, one could have been forgiven for thinking his time in the sun was over but he's showing he's capable of making adjustments and working through rough patches. It's absolutely AMAZING how his defense has taken a massive step forward. I don't think this kid is ever going to win a gold glove but who would have bet on him becoming an average defense centerfielder a year ago? I don't cringe when the ball is hit his way anymore. Some guys just have that ability to adjust, and step things up at a higher competition, and given the skill set this kid has (power + speed) makes things very exciting, and being able to play the outfield better has given him the leeway at the plate to work through a slump. I was completely out on him after the way he handled himself after not hustling on Tapia’s inside the parker in that all-time bad game, if I was the pitcher I would have drilled him with a pitch the second we’re both back in the dugout I say this because nobody has ever pulled themselves from the deepest depths of my personal doghouse so effectively. An immediate 180 this year. Like you said- the kid can handle adversity and make adjustments. He’s resilient and imo that’s one of the most important character traits a baseball player can have. When the going gets tough some people get going. Not Jarren! He goes back to the drawing board and regroups
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 4, 2023 3:18:12 GMT -5
Sox WPA per 350 PA: Name PA Rate Adam Duvall 110 3.09 Jarren Duran 233 2.34 Justin Turner 351 1.73 Yu Chang 47 1.49 Alex Verdugo 344 1.42 Rafael Devers 350 1.07 Masa Yoshida 313 0.69 Rob Refsnyder 155 0.52
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Post by cdj on Jul 4, 2023 8:54:48 GMT -5
^YUUUUUUUUUU
whispers *soulja boi tell em*
I feel like Duran is always starting rallies
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