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7/12-7/15 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 21:46:47 GMT -5
Jackie Bradley Junior is heating up, you guys. 16 straight games getting on base. It's what he does best when he's going good.
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Post by atzar on Jul 12, 2018 21:47:34 GMT -5
Awesome win. Mookie, man... wow.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 21:48:14 GMT -5
Yeah....best record to this point in my lifetime......Seems like we have won a lot of pretty close games. Wonder what Pythag says. The Pythagorean record is 65 and 30. The difference is a Rick Porcello 3 run double against Scherzer. Lol. Should have lost that game. The unimaginable happened instead.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2018 21:48:16 GMT -5
Wow, another grinding but beautiful win! They are now 37 games above .500 for the first time since 1949!
And Mookie had maybe the most impressive AB I can remember since David Ortiz blooped the game winning hit in Game 5 of the 2004 ALCS off Loaiza.
David Price pitched well when he kept the ball in the ballpark. He gave up 2 more blasts which is kind of concerning. At least he was better. It's a good step forward.
The bullpen was a little anxiety inducing, but I suspect it's because of the heavy workload they've endured. Barnes, Kelly, and Kimbrel could use some rest. They're busy protecting leads most nights.
And oh yeah, Mookie is good at this game they call baseball. There's nothing he can't do.
What an amazing year this has been so far!
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Post by telson13 on Jul 12, 2018 21:49:59 GMT -5
they say you can't win em all, but our guys don't think so. We are basically watching history unfold. What a joy !!! Idk what system they use, but cbssports had a piece on Sox/NYY/Stros and had them projected for 115/110?/106 wins. I thought the Sox projection seemed awfully liberal, but they are unstoppable at home, and their schedule is *remarkably* favorable from here on out. Very home-heavy and with no WC swings. And, that was, I think, 3 wins ago. They’re at 113 W pace (112.5....) despite having a difficult early schedule. Wow. A lot can happen, but I’m pretty convinced this is the best Sox team I’ve seen in my lifetime, and it’s not really remotely close. And that’s *with*: Pomeranz (the effective 2 last year) producing nothing, Pedroia out all year, and massive struggles at the bottom of the order. Plus, significant lost time for two *key* starters in Betts and Bogey, and some predictable struggles for young Mr. Devers. Barnes has broken out (tonight’s struggles aside...actually I love how he recovered), and Kelly has been very good. Benintendi looks poised to be not just a star, but possibly a superstar after coming up big in just his second full season. The clock is ticking, but WHAT A SHOW!!!
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Post by telson13 on Jul 12, 2018 21:53:10 GMT -5
Jackie Bradley Junior is heating up, you guys. 16 straight games getting on base. It's what he does best when he's going good. The one nice thing to see even when he was struggling (and having awful luck) was the terrific IsoD. If he has an epic JBJ hot streak in him, and ends up around .240-.250, he still prob puts up a solid .330-.340 OBP. Might even break .400 with his SLG too.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 22:02:48 GMT -5
There have been only 6 teams since the start of the expansion era that have had the record the Sox has right now. We will never see this again.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 12, 2018 22:09:00 GMT -5
Who says there aren’t any exciting stars in baseball? I love the Betts reaction to this Homerun.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 12, 2018 22:12:36 GMT -5
Sox have 4 of the top 26 hitters in WAR, and given the time Bogaerts missed to injury, they could reasonably have a shot at FIVE 6-WAR players when you toss Sale in the mix. Just...good lord. And despite Trout being Trout and Ramirez getting even hotter, ntm Severino and Verlander and Bauer, a fair shot at the MVP/Cy double. Mookie has been the league’s best hitter and has the gaudiest triple slash (and the best WAR/g avg), while Sale is in the thick of the ERA race and might get his 300 Ks again. This team is just incredible. I’ve ranted on DD’s team-building and win-now gestalt, but he’s constructed a remarkably deep roster. He’s also pulled a few rabbits with Brasier, a sweetheart deal for JDM (dude is not leaving...opt-out or no), and the Swihart over Hanley move.
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Post by jchang on Jul 12, 2018 22:14:25 GMT -5
3 years ago, Price and Happ signed a 7 year deal and a 3 year deal. 3 years later Happ and Price have the same ERA and number of walks. Happ has more innings pitched and strikeouts. This suggests the Sox could have had made better decisions with their money at the time. Price gave up 3ER, Happ 0ER, and now has a better ERA than Price. Tough break for which?
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 12, 2018 22:18:38 GMT -5
I can't remember a more dramatic at bat by a Red Sox player than that one. Maybe one other. Game 2 2013 ALCS. Bottom of the 8th. 2 outs. Bases loaded. Down by 4 runs. Dramatic? Ah . . . Carleton Fisk, game 6 1975 world series. I was 6 and still remember watching this on tv. I fell asleep on the couch and woke up about 15 minutes before this. And no, 'I didn't have a girl'
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 12, 2018 22:24:33 GMT -5
Jackie Bradley Junior is heating up, you guys. 16 straight games getting on base. It's what he does best when he's going good. Actually, it's Mookie who has that streak. JBJ failed to reach Wednesday night.
But JBJ is .340 / .404 / .660 in his last 15 games (from June 24).
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Post by telson13 on Jul 12, 2018 22:28:34 GMT -5
There have been only 6 teams since the start of the expansion era that have had the record the Sox has right now. We will never see this again. I believe this team is better than the ‘01 Mariners, at least in terms of well-roundedness and depth. They probably won’t get 116 wins, but I think they’ll make a run. And that was a helluva team, with prime Ichiro, Boone at his peak, and Martinez doing his late-career put-it-all-together, plus near-vintage Olerud and a highly underrated Mike Cameron. Sox rotation is inarguably better especially up top, and their ‘pen is much deeper. I’d argue their starting 9 is better, too. That M’s team was a 109-53 Pythag (927/627), while the Sox project for 111-51, and that’s not accounting for the easier 2nd half schedule. I agree 100%...we will never see another Sox regular season team like this one. Hopefully they ride the wave all the way and stake their claim to the best single season team ever.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 22:41:52 GMT -5
16 straight games getting on base. It's what he does best when he's going good. Actually, it's Mookie who has that streak. JBJ failed to reach Wednesday night.
But JBJ is .340 / .404 / .660 in his last 15 games (from June 24).
Ahh shoot. WEEI mentioned it, but I probably lumped the 2 together. My bad everyone.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 22:43:36 GMT -5
Maybe one other. Game 2 2013 ALCS. Bottom of the 8th. 2 outs. Bases loaded. Down by 4 runs. Dramatic? Ah . . . Carleton Fisk, game 6 1975 world series. I was 6 and still remember watching this on tv. I fell asleep on the couch and woke up about 15 minutes before this. And no, 'I didn't have a girl' Yeah I wasn't alive at that point. Lol.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 22:47:13 GMT -5
3 years ago, Price and Happ signed a 7 year deal and a 3 year deal. 3 years later Happ and Price have the same ERA and number of walks. Happ has more innings pitched and strikeouts. This suggests the Sox could have had made better decisions with their money at the time. Price gave up 3ER, Happ 0ER, and now has a better ERA than Price. Tough break for which? I'm not sure what you're implying. Happ did get tough breaks. Smoak dropped a ball. There was a reversed call in the middle of the 4th. The Sox capitalized. Price gave up 2 bombs. All were bad mistakes. Price still had the quality start and the team didn't play bad behind him.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 12, 2018 22:47:21 GMT -5
Sox have 4 of the top 26 hitters in WAR, and given the time Bogaerts missed to injury, they could reasonably have a shot at FIVE 6-WAR players when you toss Sale in the mix. Just...good lord. And despite Trout being Trout and Ramirez getting even hotter, ntm Severino and Verlander and Bauer, a fair shot at the MVP/Cy double. Mookie has been the league’s best hitter and has the gaudiest triple slash (and the best WAR/g avg), while Sale is in the thick of the ERA race and might get his 300 Ks again. This team is just incredible. I’ve ranted on DD’s team-building and win-now gestalt, but he’s constructed a remarkably deep roster. He’s also pulled a few rabbits with Brasier, a sweetheart deal for JDM (dude is not leaving...opt-out or no), and the Swihart over Hanley move. Makes it even crazier to think that we got no hit of all teams. (Also, I just looked and I had no idea that Paxton no hit the Blue Jays earlier this year. I remember the Dodgers no-hitting the Padres but had no idea there was a 3rd no hitter 4 days later)
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 12, 2018 23:36:11 GMT -5
I'm interested to see how Price pitches with Sandy behind the plate. The last time Sandy caught him was his complete game near-shutout. Edit- Price needs to throw more and more changeups these days.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 12, 2018 23:46:13 GMT -5
11-3 11-3 10-4 10-6
Boston starting pitcher records BEFORE the all star break. Four 10 plus game winners.
Mercy, as the great Ned Martin used to say.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2018 0:06:26 GMT -5
3 years ago, Price and Happ signed a 7 year deal and a 3 year deal. 3 years later Happ and Price have the same ERA and number of walks. Happ has more innings pitched and strikeouts. This suggests the Sox could have had made better decisions with their money at the time. Price gave up 3ER, Happ 0ER, and now has a better ERA than Price. Tough break for which? The way that ERA deals with errors is deeply flawed. The error that cost Happ 5 unearned runs costs you 0.7 runs on average.
Even if you're not going to adjust ER for changes in Run Expectancy, after what would have been the 3rd out, Happ gave up a walk to JBJ and a HR to Mookie. How is that not two earned runs? The "what-if" inning reconstructions that are used to determine which runs are earned and which unearned assume that the batters do the same thing even though the base/out situation would have been different. In which case, JBJ and Mookie lead off the next inning. Two earned runs. (And in fact, if they had changed pitchers to face JBJ, those runs would have earned for the pitcher but unearned for the team.)
It makes no sense. You can get the first 2 outs in an inning, have the catcher drop a foul pop, and then give up ten straight home runs, and they would all be unearned runs. However, if you retired a batter after the first five homers -- which is actually pitching better -- and then gave up homers to the next four guys, that would be four earned runs.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 13, 2018 0:24:09 GMT -5
11-3 11-3 10-4 10-6 Boston starting pitcher records BEFORE the all star break. Four 10 plus game winners. Mercy, as the great Ned Martin used to say. Lol...Sale’s had bum luck and he’s still 10-4. This front 4 looks like they’ll post records similar to the ‘01 M’s, except Sale’s way better than Freddy Garcia, Porcello is better than Sele, Rodriguez is similar to Moyer (in results only), Price is better than Paul Abbot (??!! 17-4??!!), and any combo of Sox 5s is better than Halama (though prob not Piniero).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 13, 2018 0:28:52 GMT -5
With Sevarino's outing being so unusual, it will be interesting to see if the Yankees pull him from the all star game. He's lined up to be the AL starter.
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Post by manfred on Jul 13, 2018 0:35:59 GMT -5
Price gave up 3ER, Happ 0ER, and now has a better ERA than Price. Tough break for which? The way that ERA deals with errors is deeply flawed. The error that cost Happ 5 unearned runs costs you 0.7 runs on average.
Even if you're not going to adjust ER for changes in Run Expectancy, after what would have been the 3rd out, Happ gave up a walk to JBJ and a HR to Mookie. How is that not two earned runs? The "what-if" inning reconstructions that are used to determine which runs are earned and which unearned assume that the batters do the same thing even though the base/out situation would have been different. In which case, JBJ and Mookie lead off the next inning. Two earned runs. (And in fact, if they had changed pitchers to face JBJ, those runs would have earned for the pitcher but unearned for the team.)
It makes no sense. You can get the first 2 outs in an inning, have the catcher drop a foul pop, and then give up ten straight home runs, and they would all be unearned runs. However, if you retired a batter after the first five homers -- which is actually pitching better -- and then gave up homers to the next four guys, that would be four earned runs.
That’s all true... and pitchers need to bounce back from errors. BUT... a) if the third out is made, a pitcher goes back to low stress, full windup etc. It does change the situation dramatically — not to mention getting a breather. b) the conjecture involved is less than stuff like defensive stats or WAR. Clearly, the inning should be over.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2018 1:13:48 GMT -5
Cora announced the post-ASB rotation, and it lines up Sale, Porcello, and E-Rod to pitch the first three games against the MFY's, all on extra rest, with Price on extra rest or TBD (Pomeranz or Wright) to pitch the final game.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2018 1:22:59 GMT -5
With Sevarino's outing being so unusual, it will be interesting to see if the Yankees pull him from the all star game. He's lined up to be the AL starter. Sale has now taken over the AL ERA lead. There's no way Severino starts the ASG.
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