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2018 Red Sox vs. Yankees ALDS Gameday Thread
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 12, 2018 3:02:20 GMT -5
Pitching comparison by role coming into the series, adjusted for inherited runner support (R/ER rounded off but ERA based on unrounded):
Starters:
20.2 18 6 6 4 15 (2.61) Sox 13.0 19 13 13 6 9 (8.93) NYY
5th starter as reliever:
2.2 2 3 3 2 2 (10.13) Bos
2.1 3 4 4 2 2 (15.84) NYY
Set-up relief (top 5 (Bos) or 6 (NY) guys):
10.1 6 2 2 3 10 (1.74) Bos
17.2 12 5 5 8 17 (2.55) NYY
Closer:
2.1 2 3 3 2 4 (11.57) Bos 2.0 0 0 0 1 2 (0.00) NYY
Garbage Time:
2 5 5 5 2 1 (22.50) NYY
So far the thesis that we needed to trade for a set-up reliever for the post-season has been contradicted, as they lost the #2 guy (#1 in terms of expected innings) to an injury and put up a legitimate 1.74 ERA against one of baseball's toughest lineups.
Edit: Yes! 100 Pages!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 12, 2018 4:32:01 GMT -5
I don't think the Astros thread will get 100 pages, but I guess we will see lol. There is just a ton of interest and intrigue with the Yankees and Sox, especially when they face each other.
I think Kimbrel created at least 4 pages by himself too lol.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 12, 2018 6:28:28 GMT -5
I don't think the Astros thread will get 100 pages, but I guess we will see lol. There is just a ton of interest and intrigue with the Yankees and Sox, especially when they face each other. I think Kimbrel created at least 4 pages by himself too lol. Not to mention those 100 pages came as the result of only 4 games. I think the Astros series will pass it though, particularly if it goes 6-7 games.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 12, 2018 7:57:24 GMT -5
I don't think the Astros thread will get 100 pages, but I guess we will see lol. There is just a ton of interest and intrigue with the Yankees and Sox, especially when they face each other. I think Kimbrel created at least 4 pages by himself too lol. Not to mention those 100 pages came as the result of only 4 games. I think the Astros series will pass it though, particularly if it goes 6-7 games. Maybe, but keep in mind that the ninth inning of Game 4 took a week and a half. A lot of posting can get done in a 1 1/2 week meltdown.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 12, 2018 11:19:14 GMT -5
I don't think the Astros thread will get 100 pages, but I guess we will see lol. There is just a ton of interest and intrigue with the Yankees and Sox, especially when they face each other. I think Kimbrel created at least 4 pages by himself too lol. Haha - that'd be a good epithet for an unreliable reliever. "Ugh, they're bringing in Kelly. That guy's a real thread-lengthener."
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 12, 2018 11:47:01 GMT -5
Anyone going to any games this weekend?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 12, 2018 14:31:47 GMT -5
Anyone going to any games this weekend? I'm going Saturday to game 1.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 12, 2018 16:48:07 GMT -5
So far the thesis that we needed to trade for a set-up reliever for the post-season has been contradicted, as they lost the #2 guy (#1 in terms of expected innings) to an injury and put up a legitimate 1.74 ERA against one of baseball's toughest lineups. Has it? They made it work by pitching Sale and Porcello in relief. I guess they didn't "need" to, but I'd prefer to let those guys rest myself. We'll only know if there are adverse effects later in the postseason.
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Post by soxjim on Oct 12, 2018 19:02:59 GMT -5
Yankees made a huge mistake by not getting another big time starter. They felt Happ was the guy. While the Sox bullpen is scary and they need to use starters, the Yanks dropped teh ball. And even now if any of you live near NY and hear them on TV and the radio, they remain delusional.
Off subject: I'm interested to see Dodgers vs Brewers. I hope Brewers win but I think their starters aren't up to snuff either.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 12, 2018 19:48:43 GMT -5
Yankees made a huge mistake by not getting another big time starter. They felt Happ was the guy. While the Sox bullpen is scary and they need to use starters, the Yanks dropped teh ball. And even now if any of you live near NY and hear them on TV and the radio, they remain delusional. Off subject: I'm interested to see Dodgers vs Brewers. I hope Brewers win but I think their starters aren't up to snuff either. I have a hard time believing they could have gotten anyone who was anywhere close to Happ's effectiveness. That's not even including their desire to stay under the 197M luxury tax cap.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 12, 2018 21:17:21 GMT -5
Yankees made a huge mistake by not getting another big time starter. They felt Happ was the guy. While the Sox bullpen is scary and they need to use starters, the Yanks dropped teh ball. And even now if any of you live near NY and hear them on TV and the radio, they remain delusional. Off subject: I'm interested to see Dodgers vs Brewers. I hope Brewers win but I think their starters aren't up to snuff either. I have a hard time believing they could have gotten anyone who was anywhere close to Happ's effectiveness. That's not even including their desire to stay under the 197M luxury tax cap. They probably could have gotten deGrom if the traded Torres. Knowing Cashman, he would probably offer Andujar and a bag of balls. The Yankees just don't pull the trigger anymore like this. Feels great knowing this.
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Post by soxjim on Oct 12, 2018 21:50:47 GMT -5
Yankees made a huge mistake by not getting another big time starter. They felt Happ was the guy. While the Sox bullpen is scary and they need to use starters, the Yanks dropped teh ball. And even now if any of you live near NY and hear them on TV and the radio, they remain delusional. Off subject: I'm interested to see Dodgers vs Brewers. I hope Brewers win but I think their starters aren't up to snuff either. I have a hard time believing they could have gotten anyone who was anywhere close to Happ's effectiveness. That's not even including their desire to stay under the 197M luxury tax cap. They should've traded whether it be before the season or during. It didn't have to be at that moment. Do you think if DD was the GM of the Yanks that he would have gone into the season without a pitcher they could rely on with the farm the Yanks have? And as far as Happ-- if you were the Yanks GM - would you be comfortable that he would be your number 1 starter leading into a series next year? Sure he's pretty good but he isn't that good. At the very least they got to have someone better than old man CC going into an elimination game.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 12, 2018 23:56:53 GMT -5
“Boston proved they were better in the marathon,” Cashman said, via News 12’s Pat O’Keefe. “We had a chance to change that equation and prove that we could be better than them in a sprint and they had none of it. Three of our four starters got their hat handed to them. Most of our offense went south. We just did not have a good series. And you have to credit them and their franchise for what they were able to accomplish, and now because of it, they are moving forward and they get the chance to take a shot at the defending world champions.” There’s no question the Red Sox outplayed the Yankees during the ALDS, especially in Games 3 and 4. The Red Sox outscored the Yankees 20-4 in the Bronx, bashing starters Luis Severino and CC Sabathia while silencing the big bats of Giancarlo Stanton and Aaron Judge to punch their ticket to the AL Championship Series. Read more at: nesn.com/2018/10/brian-cashman-gives-blunt-explanation-for-yankees-alds-loss-to-red-sox/
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 13, 2018 0:06:10 GMT -5
The one thing I'll always remember is Sale and Porcello coming out of the bullpen in this series, especially Sale. I could picture Yankee fans saying this next to each other during game 4-
"Don't worry we are going to hammer that trash bullpen of theirs, it's only the 8th inning....wait why is CHRIS SALE COMING OUT OF THE BULLPEN?!!!! F*CK!!!"
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 13, 2018 2:57:49 GMT -5
So far the thesis that we needed to trade for a set-up reliever for the post-season has been contradicted, as they lost the #2 guy (#1 in terms of expected innings) to an injury and put up a legitimate 1.74 ERA against one of baseball's toughest lineups. Has it? They made it work by pitching Sale and Porcello in relief. I guess they didn't "need" to, but I'd prefer to let those guys rest myself. We'll only know if there are adverse effects later in the postseason. The 1.74 ERA is Barnes, Brasier, Kelly, Workman, and Hembree. And remember that trading for a set-up guy very likely meant dealing Kelly. If they'd somehow managed not to deal anyone (via phantom DL stints, but that seemed unlikely at the time), then the guy they got would have probably taken Workman's innings in game 1, and that's probably an upgrade, but then Workman gets the innings that ultimately went to Hembree, which is a downgrade.
Sale's inning was definitely in place of his scheduled side session, on the 4th day of 7 days rest. Not sure about Porcello. If either of those guys has a bad outing at some point, I don't think we'll actually be able to point to those single extra innings of work as the cause. It seemed to me like an excellent way to deal with the loss of Wright. In this series, they can use Barnes and Brasier more than 1 combined inning per game.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 13, 2018 4:15:03 GMT -5
Has it? They made it work by pitching Sale and Porcello in relief. I guess they didn't "need" to, but I'd prefer to let those guys rest myself. We'll only know if there are adverse effects later in the postseason. In this series, they can use Barnes and Brasier more than 1 combined inning per game.
If they *are* able to, you mean? I fear the Astros lineup just as much, if not more so in this series. The Astros have more easier outs in the bottom of their lineup compared the the Yankees, but their lineup is built a lot like the Red Sox lineup. Speed, average, power, and they don't strike out a ton when they are going right. Expecting Brasier and Barnes to go multiple innings could be asking for it, even if they were great against the Yankees.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 13, 2018 6:33:09 GMT -5
Chris Mason Verified account @bychrismason
Mitch Moreland is optimistic that he’ll be ready for the ALCS. Said he probably won’t be able to run full-speed this postseason, but will able to get from point A to B.
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Post by costpet on Oct 13, 2018 7:15:45 GMT -5
Interesting stat: MFY record when they hit a home run 90-41. When they didn’t 10-21
Also Sox SB 125. MFY 63
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 13, 2018 11:05:28 GMT -5
Anyone going to any games this weekend? I'm going Saturday to game 1. I’ll be there with ya tonight. Enjoy!
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 13, 2018 14:24:04 GMT -5
Interesting stat: MFY record when they hit a home run 90-41. When they didn’t 10-21 Also Sox SB 125. MFY 63 It isn't as interesting as it is inevitable. The Yankees broke the MLB season HR record, but they didn't score all THAT many runs. They scored predominantly when the ball left the park. So how were they going to win games when they didn't hit the ball out of the park? They couldn't manufacture innings. Heck, the final chapter of the just-completed series was Kimbrel manufacturing an inning for them, and they couldn't do anything with it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 14, 2018 12:44:17 GMT -5
Has it? They made it work by pitching Sale and Porcello in relief. I guess they didn't "need" to, but I'd prefer to let those guys rest myself. We'll only know if there are adverse effects later in the postseason. The 1.74 ERA is Barnes, Brasier, Kelly, Workman, and Hembree. And remember that trading for a set-up guy very likely meant dealing Kelly. If they'd somehow managed not to deal anyone (via phantom DL stints, but that seemed unlikely at the time), then the guy they got would have probably taken Workman's innings in game 1, and that's probably an upgrade, but then Workman gets the innings that ultimately went to Hembree, which is a downgrade.
Sale's inning was definitely in place of his scheduled side session, on the 4th day of 7 days rest. Not sure about Porcello. If either of those guys has a bad outing at some point, I don't think we'll actually be able to point to those single extra innings of work as the cause. It seemed to me like an excellent way to deal with the loss of Wright. In this series, they can use Barnes and Brasier more than 1 combined inning per game.
Before moving forward, we should probably agree this is all revisionist history and likely nonsense, but here we go: In theory, the guy they went out and got is the top guy in the pen before Kimbrel, so losing Wright means the bridge to Kimbrel is some combination of Brazier-Barnes-New Guy, whereas right now it's Brazier-Barnes-Holy Crap Is There A Starter We Can Throw On His Side Day? Cora said he wanted to stay away from Sale, and I'd presume New Guy pitches the 8th in Game 4. In Game 1, it's not clear when he would've come in, but I don't think it's necessarily for Workman - it's probably either when Brazier comes in or when Porcello comes in. If they traded for Herrera (and assuming he doesn't get hurt, of course) the one guy it seems like they did check in on, then he's the 8th inning guy. In Game 1, do they go to him instead of Brazier to top the rally, or save him? I doubt they go to him AFTER Brazier they way they did with Workman.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 15, 2018 2:03:09 GMT -5
The 1.74 ERA is Barnes, Brasier, Kelly, Workman, and Hembree. And remember that trading for a set-up guy very likely meant dealing Kelly. If they'd somehow managed not to deal anyone (via phantom DL stints, but that seemed unlikely at the time), then the guy they got would have probably taken Workman's innings in game 1, and that's probably an upgrade, but then Workman gets the innings that ultimately went to Hembree, which is a downgrade.
Sale's inning was definitely in place of his scheduled side session, on the 4th day of 7 days rest. Not sure about Porcello. If either of those guys has a bad outing at some point, I don't think we'll actually be able to point to those single extra innings of work as the cause. It seemed to me like an excellent way to deal with the loss of Wright. In this series, they can use Barnes and Brasier more than 1 combined inning per game.
Before moving forward, we should probably agree this is all revisionist history and likely nonsense, but here we go: In theory, the guy they went out and got is the top guy in the pen before Kimbrel, so losing Wright means the bridge to Kimbrel is some combination of Brazier-Barnes-New Guy, whereas right now it's Brazier-Barnes-Holy Crap Is There A Starter We Can Throw On His Side Day? Cora said he wanted to stay away from Sale, and I'd presume New Guy pitches the 8th in Game 4. In Game 1, it's not clear when he would've come in, but I don't think it's necessarily for Workman - it's probably either when Brazier comes in or when Porcello comes in. If they traded for Herrera (and assuming he doesn't get hurt, of course) the one guy it seems like they did check in on, then he's the 8th inning guy. In Game 1, do they go to him instead of Brazier to top the rally, or save him? I doubt they go to him AFTER Brazier they way they did with Workman. I think everyone on the board was in favor of getting someone even better than Barnes and Brasier, especially if they could also be Kimbrel's successor -- if the price was right. Dombrowski made it clear that they went after such a guy, that the Nats decided that Herrera was unavailable, and that they got outbid for Britton (which proved to be smart).
The discussion was about whether they should get Soria or Familia to complement Barnes and Brasier. Right now I'd rather have Joe Kelly, whom you forgot about (4 2 1 0 0 2 in 2 outings, and looking very good) in that role.
Even if you could have kept Kelly on the roster when you got the extra arm, and even if you were psychic and knew that one of Barnes, Brasier, or Wright would get hurt, the question is whether the acquisition cost for Soria or Familia would have been worth the upgrade over Hembree in the current pen in terms of bodies, and over Porcello and Sale pitching on their days to throw, in terms of role. I'm not sure that either of those is actually an upgrade.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 15, 2018 11:09:07 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing they could have gotten anyone who was anywhere close to Happ's effectiveness. That's not even including their desire to stay under the 197M luxury tax cap. They probably could have gotten deGrom if the traded Torres. Knowing Cashman, he would probably offer Andujar and a bag of balls. The Yankees just don't pull the trigger anymore like this. Feels great knowing this. Yeah the fact that the Yankees kept their fantastic young core together and lost a five game series because Gary Sanchez got .00003 millimeters under a Craig Kimbrel meatball means they're now a doomed franchise. Like, enjoy the win folks, but "lol Cashman doesn't know what he's doing" takes are wildly off base. The Yankees are a juggernaut and will remain so for the foreseeable future. No Red Sox fan should "feel great" about the season they just had.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 15, 2018 11:39:30 GMT -5
They probably could have gotten deGrom if the traded Torres. Knowing Cashman, he would probably offer Andujar and a bag of balls. The Yankees just don't pull the trigger anymore like this. Feels great knowing this. Yeah the fact that the Yankees kept their fantastic young core together and lost a five game series because Gary Sanchez got .00003 millimeters under a Craig Kimbrel meatball means they're now a doomed franchise. Like, enjoy the win folks, but "lol Cashman doesn't know what he's doing" takes are wildly off base. The Yankees are a juggernaut and will remain so for the foreseeable future. No Red Sox fan should "feel great" about the season they just had. This. The Yankees had a weird season in that they played really well, but had this weird tendency to find ways to lose games that they should have won. They had a bunch of issues when the Sox played them in August, most of them health related. And most deliciously, they just could NOT beat the Red Sox this season when it mattered. In so many other years Sanchez's ball goes over the wall or Nunez's throw to Pearce goes into RF. Just NOT this year! The Red Sox absolutely killed the Yankees' season and made it feel worse than it was. They certainly made it joyless. The Yankees won 100 games while Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez came nowhere near the production they're capable of putting up. Their 1b black hole got filled nicely and cheaply by Voit. Torres and Andujar are so young and they're good players now. It's only a matter of time before they take the next step, Andujar as a hitter and Torres as an all-around player. Severino is still a very good young starter to build a staff around and they have the core of a good pen. They have to see what happens with Robertson and perhaps Britton. I can see Robertson returning, but I think Britton ends up elsewhere. They're probably going to go hard after somebody like Corbin. I would think Machado is in play and if he is, maybe they deal Andujar? Maybe they go after either DeGrom or Syndergaard. The Yankees' payroll is not maxed out the way the Sox' payroll is, so they have room to make a lot of improvements. They could use a hitter who has a good hit tool (for average) rather than one who just has a power tool - like the rest of the lineup does - the homer or nothing way of doing things. They could also use some speed as they were station to station and left their walks on base when not homering. I think the Sox are scaling the heights (I mean 108 wins with a crack at the Series - how do you top that?!) of what they can be. The Yankees are still on the way up and I think ahead of where the Sox were the previous two seasons. Nothing is guaranteed, though. Perhaps Boone continues to mismanage them? Maybe injuries happen or the Yankees spend stupidly? Hard to imagine the Yankees let as many games slip away as they did this year. When it's your year that doesn't happen. (See Red Sox to date).
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 15, 2018 12:03:06 GMT -5
Britton would solve our lefty BP issues....but where's the money and he prefers to stay with Yankees.
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