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Post by bluechip on Feb 12, 2013 11:38:39 GMT -5
ESPNJoeyMac Joe McDonald Daniel Nava is taking ground balls at first base.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 13, 2013 10:14:05 GMT -5
This was a good quote from Napoli in this morning's Globe: “It was definitely tough, but the Red Sox, they stuck with me,” Napoli said. “It took so long because I had to go see about my health. I had to look at my health before my professional career.” Sheds some light on what really was going on. At the time, the general impression was that the Sox were the ones causing the delay because they were working out a new deal to protect themselves, but this sounds much more that the Sox were just being patient and waiting on Napoli to work through the issues. Probably a bit of both, in the end, but sounds like a good working relationship ...
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Post by gatortough on Feb 15, 2013 21:09:11 GMT -5
A little something from Pete Abraham: Felix Doubront reported in poor shape and the staff isn’t happy about it. He had conditioning problems in 2011, too. Not what I want to hear about someone I was hoping could make the full fledged leap to a dependable mid-rotation asset. I figured after 2011 he had wised up and started to his craft seriously. Hopefully this isn't a big problem. www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2013/02/red_sox_trainin_3.html
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Post by remember04 on Feb 16, 2013 8:11:03 GMT -5
A little something from Pete Abraham: Felix Doubront reported in poor shape and the staff isn’t happy about it. He had conditioning problems in 2011, too. Not what I want to hear about someone I was hoping could make the full fledged leap to a dependable mid-rotation asset. I figured after 2011 he had wised up and started to his craft seriously. Hopefully this isn't a big problem. www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2013/02/red_sox_trainin_3.htmlLazy piece of.....Seriously, some people don't deserve the things they have in life.
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Post by jdb on Feb 16, 2013 11:00:44 GMT -5
I tried to find a spring picture of him but the only two I saw didn't look to bad. Who knows but you would think someone in his position would take the off season seriously. He's at a point where he could either be a boarder line All Star Sp and make 50+ million( probably more) in his career or become a LH set up guy.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 16, 2013 13:57:06 GMT -5
I blame the Red Sox; no way they should be letting these guys disappear without an offseason plan. Even less reason you should fly trainers to wherever they are a couple times an offseason to check in. Especially a guy like Doubront who is young. I don't care what is or isn't normal practice, it's not an excuse. The organization is so disconnected its gross.
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Post by mainesox on Feb 16, 2013 14:20:52 GMT -5
I blame the Red Sox; no way they should be letting these guys disappear without an offseason plan. Even less reason you should fly trainers to wherever they are a couple times an offseason to check in. Especially a guy like Doubront who is young. I don't care what is or isn't normal practice, it's not an excuse. The organization is so disconnected its gross. What a ridiculous statement. Guys always leave with a plan for the offseason, but it's up to them to actually follow it; even if you send a trainer down there once a week, you can't actually force the guy to keep with his training program. He's a grown man and shouldn't need to be coddled, and if he doesn't take his career seriously enough to actually put in the effort, the only person it is reasonable to blame is him. I know it's become the cool thing to do to blame the organization for everything that goes wrong, but this is almost nonsensical.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 16, 2013 14:29:17 GMT -5
I blame the Red Sox; no way they should be letting these guys disappear without an offseason plan. Even less reason you should fly trainers to wherever they are a couple times an offseason to check in. Especially a guy like Doubront who is young. I don't care what is or isn't normal practice, it's not an excuse. The organization is so disconnected its gross. you can't be serious
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Post by soxcentral on Feb 16, 2013 14:58:46 GMT -5
Please tell me both Morales and Aceves are being stretched out as starters right now, I'd be terrified to think we have no depth behind Doubront if he is not up to the challenge or injury-ridden.
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Post by buffs4444 on Feb 16, 2013 15:10:28 GMT -5
Morales was already, I was surprised to hear about Aceves being stretched out as well, but maybe it's due to this.
Really surprising to hear about Doubront, wasn't he supposed to have arrived a few weeks ago? Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else. Anyway, tough spot with him being out of options, can't just let him ride a bus for a few months to work that out of his system....
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 16, 2013 15:17:01 GMT -5
Lester, Lackey, Buchholz, Dempster, De La Rosa, Morales, Aceves
That is plenty of options without Doubront. Someone needs to teach him a lesson.
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 16, 2013 15:41:41 GMT -5
They actually have decent depth for the first time in a few years, or at least depth in which they aren't relying on reclamation projects/guys past their prime. Can't possibly blame the organization, unless you think they should have someone with players every day in the offseason making sure they keep up their offseason plan
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 16, 2013 16:08:18 GMT -5
Aceves is going to be starting for Mexico in the WBC.
As for RDLR, he's not a realistic option to start in the majors, at least to start the year. It was reported this week in a couple places that they're going to keep him to 1-2 inning stints in ST, and they'll consider it a success if he reaches 120 or 130 innings for the whole season.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 16, 2013 23:20:44 GMT -5
Maine, admittedly, my comments were a bit extreme but what makes you think the Sox send every guy into the off season with a thought out training program? Is it speculation and something you'd assume they do or do you have first hand knowledge of this? Maybe it's changed, I know they have a new training staff but that wasn't always the case. Say what you want about them being professionals, but its still a 24 year old kid from the Dominican. I don't know Felix's background but not all these guys are well educated. A professional organization flush with cash shouldn't be leaving their young players to go off on their own with minimal supervision. Especially one who had issues in the past. Just my opinion but its certainly not how I'd expect things to be run. Again the tone was too harsh but I stand by my overall point that a front office is responsible for their players and should take control f the situation.
I also throughout the course of the day have come to the conclusion that Abrahams report may be accurate but not to a severe degree. It only appears he's not in great shape rather than in poor shape. He should be saying in Boston next off season to learn how to prepare or they should be giving him a personal trainer/ nutritionist to teach him not just seeing if e figures it out.
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Post by jmei on Feb 17, 2013 0:20:01 GMT -5
I guarantee that the Red Sox and every other major league baseball team give their players a detailed offseason strength and conditioning plan individually tailored to each player. For instance, see this 2009 article on the Red Sox's well-known and well-regarded shoulder strengthening program ( link): For about 15 minutes a day, three times a week in the offseason, Papelbon acts as if he's in a rehab facility. He will lie, face down, on a training table and lift small weights.
He starts slowly in the beginning, at just two pounds, with the goal of reaching eight pounds by the time he heads to Florida for spring training. The weights, clutched in his closer's hands, will go out straight from his body. Or he'll bend at the elbow, in something akin to a biceps curl. Papelbon says this season might bring an added twist of the wrists at the end of the arms-straight-out exercises.
With the combination of an offseason program in which he builds strength and an in-season program designed more to maintain that strength, Papelbon and Reinold have fashioned a program that, they hope, will keep him pitching for the Sox. Any player coming into Spring Training in less than great shape is entirely on them. In addition to the above, the Red Sox, like any other major league organization, strongly suggest players work out at established training complexes (API, etc.) or with reputable private trainers. That said, they cannot force players to commit to a rigorous offseason training-- the union would file an objection if they did so against a player's wishes. I see this as 100% on Doubront.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 17, 2013 10:45:08 GMT -5
I blame the Red Sox; no way they should be letting these guys disappear without an offseason plan. Even less reason you should fly trainers to wherever they are a couple times an offseason to check in. Especially a guy like Doubront who is young. I don't care what is or isn't normal practice, it's not an excuse. The organization is so disconnected its gross. You're doing this whole blame thing wrong. This was clearly Beckett's doing.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 17, 2013 12:26:48 GMT -5
I blame the Red Sox; no way they should be letting these guys disappear without an offseason plan. Even less reason you should fly trainers to wherever they are a couple times an offseason to check in. Especially a guy like Doubront who is young. I don't care what is or isn't normal practice, it's not an excuse. The organization is so disconnected its gross. You're doing this whole blame thing wrong. This was clearly Beckett's doing. F***ing Valentine!
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 17, 2013 12:35:46 GMT -5
If they gave him a detailed plan that he ignored then he should be in AAA for at least the first month of the year regardless of what he does this spring. There need to be consequences for a young player.
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Post by soxcentral on Feb 17, 2013 12:41:44 GMT -5
If they gave him a detailed plan that he ignored then he should be in AAA for at least the first month of the year regardless of what he does this spring. There need to be consequences for a young player. Pretty sure that won't work as he is out of options and wouldn't clear waivers. One of the following will happen: - He takes his spot in the rotation despite his poor condition - He is DL'ed to start the year and earns his way back thru rehab/conditioning time - He is sent to the pen and used sparingly while he gets in shape - He is traded.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 17, 2013 13:17:27 GMT -5
Apparently Ace Aceves was lobbing pitches in during his throwing session today and had to be spoken to by both Farrell and Nieves. If he keeps up this BS he will be gone even before the WBC starts.
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Post by dwoody3123 on Feb 17, 2013 18:50:53 GMT -5
Two unrelated questions: 1. What kind of return could we get for Aceves? Hearing that he's causing problems in the first week of ST makes me worry he couldn't get through the whole season. 2. Is our good friend Shaq Thompson returning for the Spring before he goes back to UW or is he 100% football now?
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Post by remember04 on Feb 17, 2013 19:36:31 GMT -5
Two unrelated questions: 1. What kind of return could we get for Aceves? Hearing that he's causing problems in the first week of ST makes me worry he couldn't get through the whole season. 2. Is our good friend Shaq Thompson returning for the Spring before he goes back to UW or is he 100% football now? 1. My guess is not much. If we're lucky a minor league lottery ticket. He'd have to start and do well to have any kind of value and we'd have to find a team that doesn't have a shrink as a part of a routine physical. Also with Doubront not showing up in shape ~sigh~ I think we need Aceves more 2. Why wouldn't he? He's afraid of the injuries that you get from football which all still exist and he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by continuing to try baseball. Do NOT judge him based on last year as he had a lot of time off and is knocking off the rust at the minor league level.
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Post by dwoody3123 on Feb 17, 2013 19:42:01 GMT -5
Two unrelated questions: 1. What kind of return could we get for Aceves? Hearing that he's causing problems in the first week of ST makes me worry he couldn't get through the whole season. 2. Is our good friend Shaq Thompson returning for the Spring before he goes back to UW or is he 100% football now? 1. My guess is not much. If we're lucky a minor league lottery ticket. He'd have to start and do well to have any kind of value and we'd have to find a team that doesn't have a shrink as a part of a routine physical. Also with Doubront not showing up in shape ~sigh~ I think we need Aceves more 2. Why wouldn't he? He's afraid of the injuries that you get from football which all still exist and he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by continuing to try baseball. Do NOT judge him based on last year as he had a lot of time off and is knocking off the rust at the minor league level. Regarding Shaq, I just meant if he'd be allowed to since I know Spring Practice for most football teams is beginning in a month and a half or so. EDIT: April 3rd for UW to be specific
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 17, 2013 19:57:17 GMT -5
For whatever reason I thought he has one option remaining. Obviously, you don't put him on waivers. Nor would I trade him over something like this. I also, wouldn't put him in the bullpen, unless it was because he was incapable of starting. I'd find a way to punish him though if he wasn't doing what they wanted him to do while he was away from the team. I think the stories are blown out of proportion thought. Obviously BC isn't going to throw a guy under the bus, but his comments as well as a radio interview I listened to with Abraham make it seem like it's not a big deal, which is good if true.
Doubront shows flashes of being a very very good starting pitcher. Not just a back of the rotation guy. He may never be a guy like a Sabathia, but that's ok. The stuff is there for some All-Star level seasons; it' d be a shame if work ethic held him back.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 17, 2013 21:00:00 GMT -5
With Shaq, my guess would be that he would just report to extended once the school year ends. Remember, he's gotta stay academically eligible. He's going to the GCL anyway.
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