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Post by jimed14 on Jan 15, 2019 9:42:12 GMT -5
Now we start rolling into the "players don't get paid early enough" CBA discussion into the Kyler Murray discussion. $5M in A's money vs. $5-10M in NFL money guaranteed, then 4 years from now it becomes $550k vs $20+M per season with equal level of success. Then you think about going from D1 top notch program and limelight and national playoff games to: A: minor league buses in podunk towns for 2-4 years or B: bigger stage than college, charters, biggest ratings draw. One of 9 where it's hard to stand out vs. The Man. This is why you can't compare sports. There is no one that can go from college directly to MLB and college actually is the NFL's minor leagues. It would be insane to pay minor league baseball players like football players before they're in the big leagues.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 15, 2019 10:25:13 GMT -5
Now we start rolling into the "players don't get paid early enough" CBA discussion into the Kyler Murray discussion. $5M in A's money vs. $5-10M in NFL money guaranteed, then 4 years from now it becomes $550k vs $20+M per season with equal level of success. Then you think about going from D1 top notch program and limelight and national playoff games to: A: minor league buses in podunk towns for 2-4 years or B: bigger stage than college, charters, biggest ratings draw. One of 9 where it's hard to stand out vs. The Man. This is why you can't compare sports. There is no one that can go from college directly to MLB and college actually is the NFL's minor leagues. It would be insane to pay minor league baseball players like football players before they're in the big leagues. On the flip side the top High School talent in baseball gets drafted; it doesn’t go to college. They get paid right away and some of them are in the majors within 3 years (which is how long it takes a college football player to enter the NFL draft). Top college players can make the majors in about a year or less. Benintendi was drafted in 2015 and in the majors in 2016. The issue with Murray is he’s barely played baseball recently and he has pretty decent bust potential.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 15, 2019 17:47:08 GMT -5
Yet another bomb drop from Nightengale.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 15, 2019 20:54:35 GMT -5
Yet another bomb drop from Nightengale. Let me know when one is real.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jan 16, 2019 7:29:26 GMT -5
They also had visions of sugar-plums dancing in their heads
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Post by Smittyw on Jan 16, 2019 8:12:04 GMT -5
I think there are medications that can help with that.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 16, 2019 8:59:43 GMT -5
I think there are medications that can help with that.
Sign me up for super-team visions drugs.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2019 13:25:39 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I love this. He deserves even less for being an a-hole.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 16, 2019 14:21:45 GMT -5
Now we start rolling into the "players don't get paid early enough" CBA discussion into the Kyler Murray discussion. $5M in A's money vs. $5-10M in NFL money guaranteed, then 4 years from now it becomes $550k vs $20+M per season with equal level of success. Then you think about going from D1 top notch program and limelight and national playoff games to: A: minor league buses in podunk towns for 2-4 years or B: bigger stage than college, charters, biggest ratings draw. One of 9 where it's hard to stand out vs. The Man. This is why you can't compare sports. There is no one that can go from college directly to MLB and college actually is the NFL's minor leagues. It would be insane to pay minor league baseball players like football players before they're in the big leagues. See I don't agree, a lot of player can. It just doesn't make sense given the current system. Teams keep them in the minors till they are 100% ready to get maximum value out of team control. You also have a lot of top talent not even making it to College. A-Rod was in the majors at 18 and by the time he would have been a junior in College he was an all-star. Benintendi could have played in the majors out of College, I bet Feltman could have, it just made zero sense given the current system in Baseball. On the flip side you can't play in the NFL till age 20/21.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 16, 2019 16:19:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I love this. He deserves even less for being an a-hole. I don't like Manny either, but if this ends up being the best offer that he has, then it is assured there will be a work stoppage. Unless there is something that the league, in general, knows about him, this is a depressed market that needs overhaul
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Post by dmaineah on Jan 16, 2019 16:45:33 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I love this. He deserves even less for being an a-hole. I don't like Manny either, but if this ends up being the best offer that he has, then it is assured there will be a work stoppage. Unless there is something that the league, in general, knows about him, this is a depressed market that needs overhaul I find it interesting that the aav is 27m. Exactly in the middle of Arenados/Colorado filing 30/24.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 16, 2019 17:01:29 GMT -5
I don't like Manny either, but if this ends up being the best offer that he has, then it is assured there will be a work stoppage. Unless there is something that the league, in general, knows about him, this is a depressed market that needs overhaul I find it interesting that the aav is 27m. Exactly in the middle of Arenados/Colorado filing 30/24. 25 million AAV, not 27 million. It's a joke of an offer given past contracts and hus numbers. I get the 7 years, but he should be topping Prices AAV not way below it. I hate the guy, but he's a great player and he's very young. It should be more like 7 years 240 million or more.
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Post by gerry on Jan 16, 2019 17:24:37 GMT -5
I find it interesting that the aav is 27m. Exactly in the middle of Arenados/Colorado filing 30/24. 25 million AAV, not 27 million. It's a joke of an offer given past contracts and hus numbers. I get the 7 years, but he should be topping Prices AAV not way below it. I hate the guy, but he's a great player and he's very young. It should be more like 7 years 240 million or more. How nasty can a young, immature, narcissistic, nasty guy get when he feels mistreated and undervalued by his future team and the league? 7 seasons in an unsettled clubhouse is a very long time.
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Post by fisterroboto on Jan 16, 2019 19:43:34 GMT -5
25 million AAV, not 27 million. It's a joke of an offer given past contracts and hus numbers. I get the 7 years, but he should be topping Prices AAV not way below it. I hate the guy, but he's a great player and he's very young. It should be more like 7 years 240 million or more. How nasty can a young, immature, narcissistic, nasty guy get when he feels mistreated and undervalued by his future team and the league? 7 seasons in an unsettled clubhouse is a very long time. I'll bet he's spent the last 6+ years feeling mistreated and undervalued by his team and the league. He's been a top 10 position player and the 2nd best 3B since he came into the league, earning about 35m total. Despite that, I haven't heard anything about him causing major issues internally. Everyone else might hate him, but it seems like he's pretty well liked by his teammates - including Steve Pearce.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 16, 2019 21:12:29 GMT -5
Machado's agent came out and slammed the Olney/Nightengale report of the 7/175 offer from the White Sox, claiming that teams are negotiating through the press in a way not allowed by the CBA and that the report is not true. He actually called both reporters out for not attempting to confirm the report before running with it. It does seem like an extraordinary step we haven't seen before.
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Post by gerry on Jan 16, 2019 21:45:17 GMT -5
How nasty can a young, immature, narcissistic, nasty guy get when he feels mistreated and undervalued by his future team and the league? 7 seasons in an unsettled clubhouse is a very long time. I'll bet he's spent the last 6+ years feeling mistreated and undervalued by his team and the league. He's been a top 10 position player and the 2nd best 3B since he came into the league, earning about 35m total. Despite that, I haven't heard anything about him causing major issues internally. Everyone else might hate him, but it seems like he's pretty well liked by his teammates - including Steve Pearce. It was just an observarion about his on field behavior during those 6+ years, which so many including myself consider dirty. He is still a kid, and a pampered one, both elements that will shape his response. It might be that a 7/175M contract after all the exaggerated hoopla would not improve this on-field behavior. His agent just became unglued over it such rumors, rightly or not. I am certain Manny is not happy about it. But he has earned $35 and is an elite player, so he is probably just ignoring the whole thing. Right?
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Jan 17, 2019 8:50:52 GMT -5
Man some team needs to sign a FA or make a trade...
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2019 10:45:07 GMT -5
I loved the guy before he went to the Yankees after he said he'd never play for the Yankees and the sex with a minor. I mean to be fair the Red Sox gave up on him and he didn’t just go to the Yankees, he was traded there.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2019 11:25:03 GMT -5
Back to Machado, if those numbers are accurate the Sox should be jumping in. 10y/280 with opt outs after 3 and 7 years or something like that. I don’t care about the Clubhouse or how much I hate him. 26 year olds as good as him don’t hit the market and if you can snag a sub 30 AAV then you jump at it.
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Post by mattpicard on Jan 17, 2019 13:52:31 GMT -5
Chapman Betances Ottavino Green
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Barnes Brasier Hembree Thornburg
Call it a wash?
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 17, 2019 13:52:41 GMT -5
Ottavino got $600K a year more than Joe Kelly? Okay.
White I don't love a third year for a reliever in his mid-30's, Ottavino at $9M?! How does nobody beat that?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2019 13:53:05 GMT -5
Absurd the Sox didn’t beat that.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 17, 2019 13:57:24 GMT -5
Chapman Betances Ottavino Green vs. Barnes Brasier Hembree Thornburg Call it a wash? Yeah this smells like a bad midseason trade.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 17, 2019 13:57:28 GMT -5
Dombrowski said he doesn't anticipate any large expenditures. Apparently he meant in contract length which in this case is 3 years or huge 1 year deals.
If the Sox do get somebody it'll be a 1 year $5M - $7M deal.
Meanwhile the Yankees are back to have an excellent bullpen (basically Ottavino replaces Robertson), one that over the long-term of the season is much better than what the Red Sox have right now or probably will have when the season begins, particularly if Kimbrel does not return and the Red Sox don't get a bunch of pleasant surprises along the way.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 17, 2019 13:58:44 GMT -5
Chapman Betances Ottavino Green vs. Barnes Brasier Hembree Thornburg Call it a wash? Let's even it out some more. Add Britton to the Yankees side and add Workman or even Colton Brewer to the Red Sox side.
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