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4/22-4/25 Red Sox vs. Tigers Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 25, 2019 21:48:10 GMT -5
Chavis has 2 barrels of 10 batted balls and an average EV of 96 mph. I’m gonna go ahead and guess he barreled that HR today too. His LA is about what I’d expect (13 degrees...he’s always been more liner than FB hitter). And his sprint speed indicates the “40” on his run tool is way too low...he’s more like a 60 run (he’s around 75th %ile, or 1 SD above the mean, tho his first step isn’t great, so maybe call it a 50-55). I think the 60 raw is low, too...more like a 70, but the game power prob won’t approach that without more elevation. Still, it’s not like he’s been stupidly hot...his xBA is .280 and his xSLG is right in line with his actual SLG. He’s shown a better-than-expected eye, too. The SS is obviously tiny. But I still love seeing the barrel%, EV (96!), speed, and 50% hard-hit. He’s been developing as a hitter all along, but having the raw data gets me even more excited about him possibly being *underrated* in terms of his tools, and FV. If he can become an average 2b defensively, he’s gonna be a helluva valuable player. baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/michael-chavis-656308?stats=career-r-hitting-mlbWe can certainly live happily with an infield of Devers, Bogaerts, Chavis and (first base - who will emerge?), our killer B outfield of Benny, Betts and JBJ (though a better more consistent bat than JBJ would be nice), an improved C Vaz catching. Should be great for years (if we can keep them all). Chavis injected some fun into this team - badly needed!
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Post by telson13 on Apr 25, 2019 21:54:15 GMT -5
Chavis has 2 barrels of 10 batted balls and an average EV of 96 mph. I’m gonna go ahead and guess he barreled that HR today too. His LA is about what I’d expect (13 degrees...he’s always been more liner than FB hitter). And his sprint speed indicates the “40” on his run tool is way too low...he’s more like a 60 run (he’s around 75th %ile, or 1 SD above the mean, tho his first step isn’t great, so maybe call it a 50-55). I think the 60 raw is low, too...more like a 70, but the game power prob won’t approach that without more elevation. Still, it’s not like he’s been stupidly hot...his xBA is .280 and his xSLG is right in line with his actual SLG. He’s shown a better-than-expected eye, too. The SS is obviously tiny. But I still love seeing the barrel%, EV (96!), speed, and 50% hard-hit. He’s been developing as a hitter all along, but having the raw data gets me even more excited about him possibly being *underrated* in terms of his tools, and FV. If he can become an average 2b defensively, he’s gonna be a helluva valuable player. baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/michael-chavis-656308?stats=career-r-hitting-mlbWe can certainly live happily with an infield of Devers, Bogaerts, Chavis and (first base - who will emerge?), our killer B outfield of Benny, Betts and JBJ (though a better more consistent bat than JBJ would be nice), an improved C Vaz catching. Should be great for years (if we can keep them all). Chavis injected some fun into this team - badly needed! That my favorite part of Chavis playing. It’s *fun*, both because he’s a draftee who’s new, and has shown some great stuff...but also because he seems like such a genuine, happy dude. *He* looks like he’s having fun, and I’ll tell ya...this team did NOT, before he came up. Idk if they were putting too much pressure on themselves or what, but they seemed super uptight and were playing flat-out BAD baseball. That’s changed (DH sweep aside), and I like what I see. True or not I’m giving some credit to Chavis. Nothing loosens up a team like a goofy, overly-enthusiastic newbie to lovingly rib.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 25, 2019 22:16:38 GMT -5
Good win. Porcello pitched well enough and the offense for the second night in a row put runs on the scoreboard, so at least they salvage a split, although you'd want to do better than 2-2 against a mediocre team at home.
Hopefully E-Rod and Porcello are shaking off that spring training rust.
I really like having Chavis in the lineup. He has an energy that the rest of the team hasn't had. Plus he can launch the ball a long way.
I suppose they will send him down once Pedroia, Nunez, and Holt return, which is too bad. I think he has a decent shot at being more impactful, at least on offense, than Pedroia, and I don't want to see Nunez at 2b anymore, but I have no desire to see Chavis platoon. The kid needs everyday ABs.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 25, 2019 22:30:28 GMT -5
Good win. Porcello pitched well enough and the offense for the second night in a row put runs on the scoreboard, so at least they salvage a split, although you'd want to do better than 2-2 against a mediocre team at home. Hopefully E-Rod and Porcello are shaking off that spring training rust. I really like having Chavis in the lineup. He has an energy that the rest of the team hasn't had. Plus he can launch the ball a long way. I suppose they will send him down once Pedroia, Nunez, and Holt return, which is too bad. I think he has a decent shot at being more impactful, at least on offense, than Pedroia, and I don't want to see Nunez at 2b anymore, but I have no desire to see Chavis platoon. The kid needs everyday ABs. Please Holt yes, Pedroia yes, Nunez a big no.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 25, 2019 22:35:52 GMT -5
Good win. Porcello pitched well enough and the offense for the second night in a row put runs on the scoreboard, so at least they salvage a split, although you'd want to do better than 2-2 against a mediocre team at home. Hopefully E-Rod and Porcello are shaking off that spring training rust. I really like having Chavis in the lineup. He has an energy that the rest of the team hasn't had. Plus he can launch the ball a long way. I suppose they will send him down once Pedroia, Nunez, and Holt return, which is too bad. I think he has a decent shot at being more impactful, at least on offense, than Pedroia, and I don't want to see Nunez at 2b anymore, but I have no desire to see Chavis platoon. The kid needs everyday ABs. Please Holt yes, Pedroia yes, Nunez a big no. Don't get me wrong - I like Holt a lot, but if Chavis is to play every day, then Holt is strictly a backup, not the short end of a platoon with Holt. I don't want to see Chavis sitting on the bench, which he can only do if Pedroia can at least be a platoon player. At this point I have no idea what Pedroia has left. I think Chavis' bat can play in Boston now. His defense - well more time in Pawtucket might help that. As far as Nunez goes, other than a guy to spell Devers or a PH righty off the bench, I don't really see what he has to offer other than he buys Chavis more time at Pawtucket to learn 2b and brush up on 1b. I just have no desire to see Nunez at 2b like ever.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 25, 2019 23:05:23 GMT -5
Please Holt yes, Pedroia yes, Nunez a big no. Don't get me wrong - I like Holt a lot, but if Chavis is to play every day, then Holt is strictly a backup, not the short end of a platoon with Holt. I don't want to see Chavis sitting on the bench, which he can only do if Pedroia can at least be a platoon player. At this point I have no idea what Pedroia has left. I think Chavis' bat can play in Boston now. His defense - well more time in Pawtucket might help that. As far as Nunez goes, other than a guy to spell Devers or a PH righty off the bench, I don't really see what he has to offer other than he buys Chavis more time at Pawtucket to learn 2b and brush up on 1b. I just have no desire to see Nunez at 2b like ever. Chavis can also take some ABs from Pearce and if they really want him in the lineup, they can play platoon JBJ more with JDM in the OF and Chavis at DH.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 25, 2019 23:11:19 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong - I like Holt a lot, but if Chavis is to play every day, then Holt is strictly a backup, not the short end of a platoon with Holt. I don't want to see Chavis sitting on the bench, which he can only do if Pedroia can at least be a platoon player. At this point I have no idea what Pedroia has left. I think Chavis' bat can play in Boston now. His defense - well more time in Pawtucket might help that. As far as Nunez goes, other than a guy to spell Devers or a PH righty off the bench, I don't really see what he has to offer other than he buys Chavis more time at Pawtucket to learn 2b and brush up on 1b. I just have no desire to see Nunez at 2b like ever. Chavis can also take some ABs from Pearce and if they really want him in the lineup, they can play platoon JBJ more with JDM in the OF and Chavis at DH. I'd prefer that he doesn't take Pearce's ABs, at least not in 2019. I do think Pearce will hit eventually and be productive. Yes, you could stick JDM in the OF more when JBJ isn't hitting, but that doesn't help the defense much, although it does help the lineup. The question is: is he playing against righties most of the time as well as against the lefties? Finding ABs for him against lefties isn't an issue. Finding ABs for him against righties if Pedroia or Holt get the ABs against righties is the issue, and that would put him on the bench too often for my liking. Like I said, he needs to play every day whether it's at Pawtucket or Boston, and if it's Boston he fits best in 2019 at 2b.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 25, 2019 23:25:30 GMT -5
Good win. Porcello pitched well enough and the offense for the second night in a row put runs on the scoreboard, so at least they salvage a split, although you'd want to do better than 2-2 against a mediocre team at home. Hopefully E-Rod and Porcello are shaking off that spring training rust. I really like having Chavis in the lineup. He has an energy that the rest of the team hasn't had. Plus he can launch the ball a long way. I suppose they will send him down once Pedroia, Nunez, and Holt return, which is too bad. I think he has a decent shot at being more impactful, at least on offense, than Pedroia, and I don't want to see Nunez at 2b anymore, but I have no desire to see Chavis platoon. The kid needs everyday ABs. With Chavis doing what he has, and Lin, there is absolutely no rational explanation for keeping Nunez on the roster. Obviously Chavis’s play at 2b needs more evaluation, but the guy certainly looks the part of a (good) MLB hitter. That alone makes him preferable to Nunez, is the D is just passable. And Lin is as good a hitter as Nunez but light-years better defensively and baserunning. I’m with you 100%...Chavis needs everyday playing time. And that may be an issue depending on Pedroia. But they need to get his bat in the lineup and get him reps. Holt’s best role is as a 300 PA utility guy, so get Nunez out ASAP and give Chavis the bulk of 2b time, until Pedroia is back...then have them split time and get Chavis some games at 3b, DH (Martinez to the OF on those days), maybe even LF. He’s a major-leaguer.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 26, 2019 0:04:56 GMT -5
Two comments: The first is that Chavis has a classic power hitter's swing. He gets under the ball just enough to get a lot of backspin and at the proper angle to clear the fences.
The second is that Lin not the equal of, but rather a better hitter than, Nuñez. Lin can get on base without having to hack his way on. That's a valuable skill.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 26, 2019 0:16:23 GMT -5
Two comments: The first is that Chavis has a classic power hitter's swing. He gets under the ball just enough to get a lot of backspin and at the proper angle to clear the fences. The second is that Lin not the equal of, but rather a better hitter than, Nuñez. Lin can get on base without having to hack his way on. That's a valuable skill. If Lin were RH, we never would have had Nunez on the team. I think the Red Sox see Lin as an equivalent to Holt, not a replacement for Nunez because of that.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 26, 2019 0:29:52 GMT -5
Two comments: The first is that Chavis has a classic power hitter's swing. He gets under the ball just enough to get a lot of backspin and at the proper angle to clear the fences. The second is that Lin not the equal of, but rather a better hitter than, Nuñez. Lin can get on base without having to hack his way on. That's a valuable skill. If Lin were RH, we never would have had Nunez on the team. I think the Red Sox see Lin as an equivalent to Holt, not a replacement for Nunez because of that. Agreed and with either Pedroia or Chavis, there's no use for Nunez.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 26, 2019 0:31:49 GMT -5
If Lin were RH, we never would have had Nunez on the team. I think the Red Sox see Lin as an equivalent to Holt, not a replacement for Nunez because of that. Agreed and with either Pedroia or Chavis, there's no use for Nunez. I'm so fed up with Nunez that I'd platoon Lin and Holt instead.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 26, 2019 2:24:08 GMT -5
Good win. Porcello pitched well enough and the offense for the second night in a row put runs on the scoreboard, so at least they salvage a split, although you'd want to do better than 2-2 against a mediocre team at home. Hopefully E-Rod and Porcello are shaking off that spring training rust. I really like having Chavis in the lineup. He has an energy that the rest of the team hasn't had. Plus he can launch the ball a long way. I suppose they will send him down once Pedroia, Nunez, and Holt return, which is too bad. I think he has a decent shot at being more impactful, at least on offense, than Pedroia, and I don't want to see Nunez at 2b anymore, but I have no desire to see Chavis platoon. The kid needs everyday ABs. then have them split time and get Chavis some games at 3b, DH (Martinez to the OF on those days), maybe even LF. He’s a major-leaguer. Chavis has never played a inning in the outfield in his professional career.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 26, 2019 2:34:09 GMT -5
I think this is one of very few times the board has voted unanimously on a decision. Nunez can't play baseball anymore and should be gone.
Someone needs to write a letter, putting signed Soxprospects at the bottom.
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Post by ivor on Apr 26, 2019 12:35:54 GMT -5
Over the last 14 days:
Moreland (42PA): .184/.262/.368 with a 62 wRC+ Devers (47PA): .282/.391/.359 with a 107 wRC+
It was understandable that when Moreland got off to the real hot start while everyone was struggling on the west-coast that Cora swapped them in the batting order. However, Moreland has been struggling recently while Devers has been hitting pretty well, so I feel that they should either swap them back or if they don't want Devers up there, just move JD and Xander up a spot.
Cora must have seen something in Devers to hit him third at the start of the season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 26, 2019 12:37:11 GMT -5
then have them split time and get Chavis some games at 3b, DH (Martinez to the OF on those days), maybe even LF. He’s a major-leaguer. Chavis has never played a inning in the outfield in his professional career. The question remains: if Holt and/or Pedroia return then where do the consistent ABs come from against righties? Moreland will get them against righties at 1b. Devers will get them against righties at 3b. Martinez will get the DH ABs against righties. And if Holt or Pedroia are getting the ABs against righties as a 2b, where does that leave Chavis? I read that Cora is looking at putting JD Martinez in RF against lefties with Mookie going to CF, freeing up the DH spot for Pearce, so Chavis can play 1b against lefties. JBJ is helpless against lefties normally (right now he's helpless against everybody, but at some point he'll figure something out and hit righties), so he's the obvious candidate to be platooned.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 26, 2019 14:04:47 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Apr 26, 2019 17:05:50 GMT -5
then have them split time and get Chavis some games at 3b, DH (Martinez to the OF on those days), maybe even LF. He’s a major-leaguer. Chavis has never played a inning in the outfield in his professional career. OK. It’s LF. He’s got good speed and an arm. If he’s not going to find a defensive home, build positional versatility. I wouldn’t send him down just to play OF. Give him some practice before putting him out there, but it’s worth a shot. His bat belongs in the lineup. He’s playing 2b with all of, like, 8-10 games there. He’s got a COF starter kit.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 26, 2019 17:37:54 GMT -5
Two comments: The first is that Chavis has a classic power hitter's swing. He gets under the ball just enough to get a lot of backspin and at the proper angle to clear the fences. The second is that Lin not the equal of, but rather a better hitter than, Nuñez. Lin can get on base without having to hack his way on. That's a valuable skill. Agreed, in that Lin is a selective LD hitter. I understated his hitting as a floor; his career numbers are roughly equivalent to Nunez, but Lin is inexperienced, has had a recent swing change, and Nunez is very obviously on the wrong end of his aging curve. I’ve vociferously touted Lin elsewhere and just didn’t feel like going through the explanation again. Nunez is a bad, hacking hitter now. I think Lin can be a .280 (.330 BABIP)/.340/.400 hitter, maybe even a bit better. Re: Chavis, I think there’s a bit more ability to tap into his raw power though we may be saying similar things. When he focuses on hard contact to all fields, he hits a fair number of balls out due to that hard contact and the finish on his swing. Then again, I haven’t really watched enough of him to be a discerning judge of that, and I could be overstating my impression. His average LA may be pulled down by topping pitches he’s trying to pull, kind of like Cruz or prime Encarnación. So in that sense you’re right...he’s not a “hitter” with power in the mold of JDM or, say, Jose Ramirez (who’s closer in size). But I don’t see him as a FB-heavy power guy like Joey Gallo. Chavis is going to get a bunch of wall-ball singles and doubles in Fenway that would be HR anywhere else. He doesn’t strike me as a latter-day Nick Esasky.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 26, 2019 20:23:40 GMT -5
Chavis has never played a inning in the outfield in his professional career. OK. It’s LF. He’s got good speed and an arm. If he’s not going to find a defensive home, build positional versatility. I wouldn’t send him down just to play OF. Give him some practice before putting him out there, but it’s worth a shot. His bat belongs in the lineup. He’s playing 2b with all of, like, 8-10 games there. He’s got a COF starter kit. I just think it's unrealistic to put him there this year. I think he's JD's replacement next year. There's clearly a reason why they don't want to re-up with him and extend his contract a year or two, they've had every chance to and haven't. Just my opinion though. The best position is his bat. Sure he could fill in at places like 2B, 3B, and 1B, but I personally think the Sox would be doing him a lot of favors by DHing him like they did with Ortiz and watching his career take off from there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 26, 2019 21:44:26 GMT -5
OK. It’s LF. He’s got good speed and an arm. If he’s not going to find a defensive home, build positional versatility. I wouldn’t send him down just to play OF. Give him some practice before putting him out there, but it’s worth a shot. His bat belongs in the lineup. He’s playing 2b with all of, like, 8-10 games there. He’s got a COF starter kit. I just think it's unrealistic to put him there this year. I think he's JD's replacement next year. There's clearly a reason why they don't want to re-up with him and extend his contract a year or two, they've had every chance to and haven't. Just my opinion though. The best position is his bat. Sure he could fill in at places like 2B, 3B, and 1B, but I personally think the Sox would be doing him a lot of favors by DHing him like they did with Ortiz and watching his career take off from there. There's also no specific reason to believe JDM will opt out. Replacement for Moreland/Pearce seems more likely.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 26, 2019 21:45:44 GMT -5
I just think it's unrealistic to put him there this year. I think he's JD's replacement next year. There's clearly a reason why they don't want to re-up with him and extend his contract a year or two, they've had every chance to and haven't. Just my opinion though. The best position is his bat. Sure he could fill in at places like 2B, 3B, and 1B, but I personally think the Sox would be doing him a lot of favors by DHing him like they did with Ortiz and watching his career take off from there. There's also no specific reason to believe JDM will opt out. He's raking. There's probably a 5 percent chance he doesn't opt out at this point.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 26, 2019 21:55:45 GMT -5
There's also no specific reason to believe JDM will opt out. He's raking. There's probably a 5 percent chance he doesn't opt out at this point. He likes it here and Price didn't opt out.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 26, 2019 22:03:14 GMT -5
He's raking. There's probably a 5 percent chance he doesn't opt out at this point. He likes it here and Price didn't opt out. You may be right, but his last chance to cash out will be next year. I think he likes money more. We will see. He 25 million the first 2 years here. He's only owed 60 million for the final 3 years (20 million a year). I think if he wants to get paid last time, he's opting out.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 26, 2019 22:10:56 GMT -5
He likes it here and Price didn't opt out. You may be right, but his last chance to cash out will be next year. I think he likes money more. We will see. He 25 million the first 2 years here. He's only owed 60 million for the final 3 years (20 million a year). I think if he wants to get paid last time, he's opting out. There's also no reason to believe the Sox won't renegotiate a raise. Likely not market but reasonable. ADD: With Porcello likely off the books and replaced by somebody cost controlled like Darwinzon and a big reduction in what's owed to Panda as well as Moreland, Pearce, Nunez and maybe Holt all being replaced by cost controlled players, the Sox will likely have money to spend.
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