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Post by brendan98 on Jun 4, 2019 13:30:46 GMT -5
Red Sox select Noah Song, RHP, Navy. Will he be allowed to play? This strikes me as a gamble.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 4, 2019 13:31:03 GMT -5
If I understand correctly, he has a 2 year commitment and wouldn't be able to start in the Sox system until he's 24 years old?
He looks promising but that's kind of on the old side to get started? Unless he's being majorly fast-tracked, but he'll have had 2 years where he doesn't pitch as much?
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Post by brockholtsuperstar on Jun 4, 2019 13:31:59 GMT -5
Love this pick. I know the situation isn't the best, but this is how you get value out of a draft when you have no first-round picks
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 4, 2019 13:32:12 GMT -5
Red Sox select Noah Song, RHP, Navy. Will he be allowed to play? This strikes me as a gamble. I mean, in the fourth round that's a hell of an upside gamble. And it's pretty low risk if you look at what you usually get from a fourth rounder.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2019 13:32:23 GMT -5
John Rave selected by the Royals. Former Sox pick.
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Post by soxin8 on Jun 4, 2019 13:32:26 GMT -5
Callis said he is a starter all the way but with the two year naval commitment.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 4, 2019 13:33:26 GMT -5
I wonder if Belichick had anything to do with it. j/k
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Post by ramireja on Jun 4, 2019 13:35:01 GMT -5
Thoughts on the Noah Song pick: He's a 2nd or 3rd round talent, so from a talent perspective, this is a great pick. As it stands now, yes, he would be unavailable for the next two years but theres a chance the administration changes that rule. That aspect of the selection is a gamble.
Regardless though, the other thing to consider, and I mentioned this before our picks started today as something I was hoping we would do...he's a senior, and in the 4th round if you're able to sign for a senior rate (even If greater than the 5-10K seniors), you're creating something between $250K-375K in savings.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2019 13:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 4, 2019 13:37:51 GMT -5
Thoughts on the Noah Song pick: He's a 2nd or 3rd round talent, so from a talent perspective, this is a great pick. As it stands now, yes, he would be unavailable for the next two years but theres a chance the administration changes that rule. That aspect of the selection is a gamble. Regardless though, the other thing to consider, and I mentioned this before our picks started today as something I was hoping we would do...he's a senior, and in the 4th round if you're able to sign for a senior rate (even If greater than the 5-10K seniors), you're creating something between $250K-375K in savings. The difference here is that he has a job that pays him decently well in the meantime, so it's not like he can't wait to get his career started. They need to pay him enough to make not waiting for free agency worthwhile.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 4, 2019 13:40:31 GMT -5
Will he be allowed to play? This strikes me as a gamble. I mean, in the fourth round that's a hell of an upside gamble. And it's pretty low risk if you look at what you usually get from a fourth rounder. It was one round early for me, but...well, Tate Matheny and all. Idk if there will be an exemption for him (used to be able to petition under the Obama admin), but regardless I think it’s a reasonable gamble and my guess is they’re pretty sure they can sign him and for a very reasonable amount.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 4, 2019 13:42:38 GMT -5
So, kind of in a way, this is like that ancient bonus baby rule when teams used to "hide" very green prospects on their roster to prevent other teams from grabbing them.
Or perhaps the rule 5 draft is the most similar thing today. Doesn't do much for development.
Still, it's a reasonable calculated gamble. A pitcher who has a profile of actually being a starter instead of a guy who's close to being converted to reliever, and he is a senior sign, so if it does indeed create savings, then they just had a great idea on how to get those savings - certainly a better gamble than on an organizational type.
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Post by jchang on Jun 4, 2019 13:43:50 GMT -5
Noah get 30 days leave per year. under the right circumstances, depending on where he is assigned, he could apply for leave M-F, charged 5 days, getting the adjacent weekends, doing this six times per year. I imagine he might spend one year in post-commission training, but the Navy has changed since 30 years ago. This was one reason cited in the 3 collisions a couple of years ago (inadequate training) If he can get duty near Greenville/Salem, he could play on weekends + occasional week days
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Post by ramireja on Jun 4, 2019 13:44:09 GMT -5
Thoughts on the Noah Song pick: He's a 2nd or 3rd round talent, so from a talent perspective, this is a great pick. As it stands now, yes, he would be unavailable for the next two years but theres a chance the administration changes that rule. That aspect of the selection is a gamble. Regardless though, the other thing to consider, and I mentioned this before our picks started today as something I was hoping we would do...he's a senior, and in the 4th round if you're able to sign for a senior rate (even If greater than the 5-10K seniors), you're creating something between $250K-375K in savings. The difference here is that he has a job that pays him decently well in the meantime, so it's not like he can't wait to get his career started. They need to pay him enough to make not waiting for free agency worthwhile. Great point. That makes his $ a bit unpredictable...so we'll have to wait and see. Financial implications aside, I like the pick based on the talent alone.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 4, 2019 13:47:31 GMT -5
Idk what his bonus demands are, but maybe the Sox pick up Ethan Hearn and go overslot if they manage some savings with Song. Hearn sounds like he’ll stick and be a solid defender behind the plate, but there are questions about the hit tool. Seems like a candidate for a systematic swing change and the sort of player who’d benefit from the Sox’s organizational hitting philosophy.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 4, 2019 13:47:32 GMT -5
Well this has turned into a surprisingly interesting draft class.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 4, 2019 13:54:12 GMT -5
Well this has turned into a surprisingly interesting draft class. Very interesting....our first pick not until #43 yet we've drafted 3 guys in the Fangraphs top 50 list.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 4, 2019 13:54:16 GMT -5
Fingers crossed for Will Ethridge or Thomas Dillard, either way, I want a Rebel.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 4, 2019 13:54:39 GMT -5
Idk what his bonus demands are, but maybe the Sox pick up Ethan Hearn and go overslot if they manage some savings with Song. Hearn sounds like he’ll stick and be a solid defender behind the plate, but there are questions about the hit tool. Seems like a candidate for a systematic swing change and the sort of player who’d benefit from the Sox’s organizational hitting philosophy. There are 8 catchers remaining in the top 138 (MLB) and I'm sure a few to round out the top 200 and I'd be happy with any of them. I'd probably see Dunhurst/French before Hearn. I don't think Boston has enough bonus money left for another top 100 guy.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 4, 2019 14:07:09 GMT -5
Excerpt from Baseball America scouting reports on Song:
The most talented senior in the country, Song ranked No. 135 on the 2018 BA 500 thanks to a plus fastball that touched 98 mph, a 1.92 ERA and 121 strikeouts in 89 innings. Yet complications with his Naval commitments and Song’s desired signing bonus meant he went undrafted, despite the fact that multiple teams viewed him as a second-round pick on talent alone. This spring, Song has taken another step forward, and through his first 11 starts he led the country with 133 strikeouts in 73 innings. After showing a below-average breaking ball a year ago, Song has improved all of his secondary pitches enough to where some scouts now consider his curveball a plus pitch. He’s struggled with walks at times, but he’s likely an average strike-thrower with a clean delivery from his 6-foot-4, 200-pound frame. Song’s draft status is once again clouded by the fact that, under the current U.S. Department of Defense policy, he would have to complete two years of military service before he could pitch professionally, at which point he would be 24 years old. In 2016, Air Force righthander Griffin Jax was in a similar situation, but the third-round pick was able to join the Twins’ organization immediately. That was because Jax’s situation played out prior to former U.S. Secretary of Defense Jeff Mattis rescinding a Department of Defense policy in 2017 that allowed athletes to avoid active-duty service after graduating in order to pursue a career in professional sports. Regardless, it’s an unusual hurdle for teams—and Song—to have to climb over, but in a draft class that lacks high-end college pitching, it might be one that a team decides is worth it.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2019 14:08:43 GMT -5
Red Sox select Jaxx Groshans, C, Kansas.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2019 14:09:37 GMT -5
Groshans' ranks:
MLB: 138 BA: 204 PG: 216
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 4, 2019 14:10:02 GMT -5
It's been a great day in my book. I'm happy enough with senior signs the rest of the way and maybe one top 200 guy oversign tomorrow.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 4, 2019 14:12:12 GMT -5
While my Rebels were sniped, not bad with Groshans, a bonus for being Zeferjahn battery mate, like it, younger bro was drafted in the 1st round last yr by the Blue Jays, and is looking like a future star. I thought today would be a college heavy day, and am enjoying these picks so far.
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Post by soxin8 on Jun 4, 2019 14:14:51 GMT -5
If you're not listening to mlb.com, Callis mentioned the Red Sox doing very well in the draft so far.
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