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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 12, 2019 16:00:52 GMT -5
Agree 100% on Blalock, he had to gotten over $125k. Simas, with no college commitment, I'm less sure about. I guess he could have still gone the JuCo route (maybe), although is it too late? Maybe they were finally willing to ante up the $125k. Although perhaps he just played his cards right by waiting and there was leftover money and they gave it to him.
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Post by cdj on Jul 12, 2019 16:08:31 GMT -5
No complaints here, great draft all things considered imo
Great coverage/aggregating everybody. Can always count on all of you come this time of the year
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2019 16:57:05 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 12, 2019 17:04:34 GMT -5
Did we end up holding some dry powder?...or did we give it to the last guy or two?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2019 17:21:03 GMT -5
Did we end up holding some dry powder?...or did we give it to the last guy or two? Looks like $348k minus whatever was given to Blalock and Cellucci. If they do have some leftover money, it would be a good gesture to bump Davis, D'Alessandro, and Miller up to $25k or something a little more livable. I want to say they did that one year in the recent past, but I don't remember exactly. Do they have a history of doing that? This is not going to happen. The draft budget isn't why they got the bonuses they did. They could've gotten up to 125k without affecting the cap.
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Post by bosox on Jul 12, 2019 17:21:03 GMT -5
With an hour left before the deadline, it seems as if the only guy in play for $ is Roberts, and the $523K they could offer him (assuming Simas and Blalock signed for $125K or less) is more than he was projected. I think it's possible that they offered him less when they thought others guys were in play, but now that there aren't any, there's no good reason not to offer him what's left in the pool even if they think it's a slight overpay, correct? Is Blake Loubier the same kid listed as “Stephen Loubier” on Perfect Game’s website? The picture is him there looks the same as the kid who is on the twitter page and he was a Wake Forest commit (also listed as going to Oviedo HS) If that’s the case, might be easier to find info on him His name is Stephen Blake Loubier, but his Dad is Stephen J. Loubier, so he's probably been "Blake" since he was a kid. He's also a registered Republican (the wonders of Google!) I had a childhood friend named Keith L. Eller whose Dad was, insanely, Keith B. Eller Jr. My friend was "KL" at home (cool, since it was close to "Kal-el"), but "Keith" at school ad everywhere else. So if you knew that father and son were both named "Keith" and wanted to talk to talk to the kid and reasonably asked to speak to "Keith Jr.," you'd get the Dad. Brilliant.
I believe Blake's dad is Scott Loubier from Winter Springs FL. From the Twitter accounts looks like they made the trip to Fenway with him. Link
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2019 17:21:38 GMT -5
By the way, I'm listening to an interview Simas did a week ago and he would've gone to Fresno City JC.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2019 17:33:35 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2019 17:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2019 17:40:22 GMT -5
So the Red Sox spent all of their money. Only left with $3,305 at the end.
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Post by bosox on Jul 12, 2019 17:48:06 GMT -5
So the Red Sox spent all of their money. Only left with $3,305 at the end. Out of money beyond the $125k. I believe they can still have up to the $125k amounts that they can offer Caleb Hill. Correct?? Since he is a College Senior they still have his rights until next year's draft? Or are they done?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2019 18:11:29 GMT -5
So the Red Sox spent all of their money. Only left with $3,305 at the end. Out of money beyond the $125k. I believe they can still have up to the $125k amounts that they can offer Caleb Hill. Correct?? Since he is a College Senior they still have his rights until next year's draft? Or are they done? This is correct but I believe they're done. I'll try to find out more on him early next week.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 12, 2019 18:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 12, 2019 19:01:26 GMT -5
By the way, I'm listening to an interview Simas did a week ago and he would've gone to Fresno City JC. I listened to that as well. The other factor is that his dad was a major league pitcher, I doubt if he would have found himself without a place to go. He played his senior year while recovering from surgery because he wanted to go pro, not because he wanted to go to college.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 12, 2019 19:15:49 GMT -5
Speculating but it appears that they liked both Cellucci and Loubier as well as the combo of Simas and Blalock better than they liked Roberts.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 12, 2019 19:27:42 GMT -5
So many flameouts on this list that got paid the big bucks.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 12, 2019 21:10:43 GMT -5
I may have $50K missing from the bonus payments - somewhere. I come out with $53,305 left at the end of the draft signing period:
Is it Simas who went over by that amount? Or have I made a mistake somwhere else?
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 12, 2019 21:16:17 GMT -5
I may have $50K missing from the bonus payments - somewhere. I come out with $53,305 left at the end of the draft signing period: Is it Simas who went over by that amount? Or have I made a mistake somwhere else? Yes, apparently Simas got $175,000. Sothere's you're $50k
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 12, 2019 21:43:20 GMT -5
Thanks. I figured it was something like that.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 12, 2019 23:18:26 GMT -5
Speculating but it appears that they liked both Cellucci and Loubier as well as the combo of Simas and Blalock better than they liked Roberts. I wouldn't go that far. Loubier and Cellucci? Maybe. They were drafted ahead of him after all. But I'd guess Roberts got an offer around $300K (Blalock + Simas overage) before the last guys signed. Obviously wasn't enough but I doubt that the Sox made Simas and Blalock their offers before that of Roberts and Beck.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 13, 2019 2:50:23 GMT -5
Speculating but it appears that they liked both Cellucci and Loubier as well as the combo of Simas and Blalock better than they liked Roberts. I wouldn't go that far. Loubier and Cellucci? Maybe. They were drafted ahead of him after all. But I'd guess Roberts got an offer around $300K (Blalock + Simas overage) before the last guys signed. Obviously wasn't enough but I doubt that the Sox made Simas and Blalock their offers before that of Roberts and Beck. It's pretty much all speculation. As an example, they signed Cellucci and Loubier for the ballpark of what we thought they would sign Roberts for. Neither of the two they signed are ranked nor are Blalock or Simas. It's pretty much what the Sox think, not what the services think. Again, my speculation, I don't think they had enough money to sign Cellucci, Loubier and Roberts which was their likely plan A so they went with what they thought was the best combo for plan B.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 13, 2019 5:00:25 GMT -5
Great job everyone with all the draft info. The excitement of who will sign is finally over, but was fun as always. Now that we know which guys are coming in....how do you feel about this draft in comparison to last years? Definitely a different group with a whole new set of skills, but overall what are the thoughts? I'm thinking this class will produce a larger than normal crop of pitchers that make a difference down the road. Guys like Reed Harrington definitely have potential!
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 13, 2019 5:43:48 GMT -5
Awesome Job by Rikard again. I hope they manage to keep him in the organization. I like to see DD retire and promote Eddie Romero and give Rikard Eddie job.
It’s funny they signed the Florida QB. He kind of laughed off being drafted. Take a bow FO nice job especially considering they got hosed for the Kimbrel non compensation. Can you imagine one year having one bad year getting over 12 - 13 million to play with.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 13, 2019 6:25:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far. Loubier and Cellucci? Maybe. They were drafted ahead of him after all. But I'd guess Roberts got an offer around $300K (Blalock + Simas overage) before the last guys signed. Obviously wasn't enough but I doubt that the Sox made Simas and Blalock their offers before that of Roberts and Beck. It's pretty much all speculation. As an example, they signed Cellucci and Loubier for the ballpark of what we thought they would sign Roberts for. Neither of the two they signed are ranked nor are Blalock or Simas. It's pretty much what the Sox think, not what the services think. Again, my speculation, I don't think they had enough money to sign Cellucci, Loubier and Roberts which was their likely plan A so they went with what they thought was the best combo for plan B. Or they went with Celluci and Loubier because Roberts said no.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 13, 2019 6:52:24 GMT -5
Or that Roberts wanted enough more than Cellucci or Loubier that what they would be able to sign if they chose Roberts instead of one of them made for a less attractive total package.
Lots of possibilities with the only definite being that we will never actually know the whole situation. We can only assume that of all the potential avenues, in the end, this is the one the Sox chose.
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