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6/7-6/9 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on Jun 7, 2019 21:30:06 GMT -5
Chirinos with a career best start Screw him and a pox of blisters on his hands.
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 7, 2019 21:48:06 GMT -5
Time for an 8-run inning. Or, you know, not...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 7, 2019 22:06:28 GMT -5
Well Toto, it looks like we're not in Kansas (City) anymore.
The Red Sox played a real team at Fenway Park and looked bad again.
If the Red Sox want to try to catch Tampa and New York they should try to take series head-to-head when they play them.
There will be plenty of dregs for the Red Sox to play in order for them to get their record healthy.
But it shouldn't be this damn hard for the team to get to 5 games over .500.
I guess all I needed to see was two innings for the snapshot of this game.
Porcello in the 4th gets in a major jam, looks like he's about to pull off a major houdini - and then gives up the 2 run single anyways just one strike away from extricating himself.
Then in the 6th the Sox have their chance to get right back in the game. Bases loaded and no outs, but Benintendi gives them a weak AB and then Devers strikes out. That was the game in a nutshell right there.
Last year Porcello would have gotten that 3rd out and the Sox would have turned that inning into a big inning. 2018 was that 1% scenario fantasy come true to real life. This year is more realistic or as - was it Andy Barkett who said that last year was Disney World. We're back in the real world. Things aren't always going to break right.
That's why I don't see the Sox catching NY or Tampa or winning 100 games. However I think a lot would have to go wrong for the Sox to stay as mediocre as they've been and to miss the playoffs. I'll take the in-between scenario. They'll do enough to wow you and they'll do enough to aggravate you and leave you wanting more. That seems like a more realistic scenario.
Hopefully the Sox can split the series and not lose ground.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 7, 2019 23:24:28 GMT -5
Trivia time: When was the last time the Red Sox won a series against a team over .500?
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 7, 2019 23:48:44 GMT -5
Trivia time: When was the last time the Red Sox won a series against a team over .500?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 8, 2019 0:05:58 GMT -5
Trivia time: When was the last time the Red Sox won a series against a team over .500? They swept Tampa in Tampa so there's that. Of course they haven't beaten them since. I read that they're 13-19 against teams with winning records. Last year it was 41-33 meaning they obliterated bad teams to a tune of 67-21. This year it's 20-11, not quite as dominant. Last year it was 57-24 at home. This year it's 14-13. That's a huge difference. Also interesting in the Rob Bradford article was this quote by Alex Cora: "I mean we haven’t been good in a while with men in scoring position," Cora said. "We haven’t been good with bases loaded in the last month. But obviously, his stuff was good. Throwing 96 (mph), 97 in the last inning but we had a chance there with the bases loaded and didn’t put the ball in play. And they did the opposite. So we’ve got to keep getting better. That’s what I’ve been saying about the offense. There are certain things that we haven’t done this season. I know the numbers look great and very similar to last year but it doesn’t feel the same way." Credit Cora again. He said it better than I can. He sees it. Last year was ridiculous. 10 grand slams (a year after getting none). 0 given up. I think opponents were 0-30 with the bases loaded. Those kinds of silly great things that happened last year that you knew wasn't going to happen two years in a row. In other words, normalcy. Eventually they should hit better with runners on in scoring position and things will go better. I don't think they'll be hanging around 5 games over .500 all year, but Cora seems the differences. A lot of the numbers look similar but it is different. The random variables of the game. Reminds me a bit of 2013 when guys would be 0-10 and then suddenly they'd get that 1st hit and it would be an absolute crusher against the opposition (Ortiz in the ALCS. Victorino in the ALCS and WS. Gomes in the WS). That kind of stuff happens when things go your way. Not so much when they don't. No rhyme or reason for it. It's just baseball.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 8, 2019 1:37:11 GMT -5
Red Sox are 6-7 in their last 13 games after their "amazing turnaround." That includes a sweep of the lowly Royals.
The Sox are 7-11 against the Rays, Yankees, and Astros. The best teams of the American League.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 8, 2019 2:14:07 GMT -5
Trivia time: When was the last time the Red Sox won a series against a team over .500? Also interesting in the Rob Bradford article was this quote by Alex Cora: "I mean we haven’t been good in a while with men in scoring position," Cora said. "We haven’t been good with bases loaded in the last month. But obviously, his stuff was good. Throwing 96 (mph), 97 in the last inning but we had a chance there with the bases loaded and didn’t put the ball in play. And they did the opposite. So we’ve got to keep getting better. That’s what I’ve been saying about the offense. There are certain things that we haven’t done this season. I know the numbers look great and very similar to last year but it doesn’t feel the same way." Credit Cora again. He said it better than I can. He sees it. Ahhh here's why. The Sox can't play up to the good competition when the time calls for it this year. That's the reason Cora.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 8, 2019 3:01:22 GMT -5
nope it's going to be the very exciting Josh Smith Well, hopefully, Darwinzon will be available out of the BP. I was glad to see Weber optioned, but now Moreland might be injured again. We need JD to get healthy.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jun 8, 2019 9:12:23 GMT -5
Moreland back to the IL; Marco coming up
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 8, 2019 9:16:52 GMT -5
Marco! At last!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 8, 2019 9:36:42 GMT -5
Trivia time: When was the last time the Red Sox won a series against a team over .500? so, 2018?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 8, 2019 9:41:16 GMT -5
Trivia time: When was the last time the Red Sox won a series against a team over .500? They swept Tampa in Tampa so there's that. Of course they haven't beaten them since. I read that they're 13-19 against teams with winning records. Last year it was 41-33 meaning they obliterated bad teams to a tune of 67-21. This year it's 20-11, not quite as dominant. Last year it was 57-24 at home. This year it's 14-13. That's a huge difference. Also interesting in the Rob Bradford article was this quote by Alex Cora: "I mean we haven’t been good in a while with men in scoring position," Cora said. "We haven’t been good with bases loaded in the last month. But obviously, his stuff was good. Throwing 96 (mph), 97 in the last inning but we had a chance there with the bases loaded and didn’t put the ball in play. And they did the opposite. So we’ve got to keep getting better. That’s what I’ve been saying about the offense. There are certain things that we haven’t done this season. I know the numbers look great and very similar to last year but it doesn’t feel the same way." Credit Cora again. He said it better than I can. He sees it. Last year was ridiculous. 10 grand slams (a year after getting none). 0 given up. I think opponents were 0-30 with the bases loaded. Those kinds of silly great things that happened last year that you knew wasn't going to happen two years in a row. In other words, normalcy. Eventually they should hit better with runners on in scoring position and things will go better. I don't think they'll be hanging around 5 games over .500 all year, but Cora seems the differences. A lot of the numbers look similar but it is different. The random variables of the game. Reminds me a bit of 2013 when guys would be 0-10 and then suddenly they'd get that 1st hit and it would be an absolute crusher against the opposition (Ortiz in the ALCS. Victorino in the ALCS and WS. Gomes in the WS). That kind of stuff happens when things go your way. Not so much when they don't. No rhyme or reason for it. It's just baseball. To answer the question, they went an impressive 6-1 on 4/29-5/5 against Oakland and White Sox. They also swept the Rays at some point prior to that.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 8, 2019 10:19:11 GMT -5
Odd lineup in game 1
Nunez is worse than Travis in LF? Guess he gave it up
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2019 10:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 8, 2019 10:51:00 GMT -5
Uh....you know that could be construed as your position anytime anything even remotely critical of the Red Sox is mentioned.
How about instead of the condescending superiority thing you do, how about you follow the Red Sox the way you see fit and let others follow the Red Sox the way they see fit? Live and let live. No need to act like a bully.
If you disagree either use facts or move on. You're not going to change the way I see a game. You're not going to change the way others see the game and I wouldn't change a thing about the way you see the game. If somebody is really out of line a moderator will take care of it.
The crybaby photos are just plain rude.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 8, 2019 11:08:53 GMT -5
Uh....you know that could be construed as your position anytime anything even remotely critical of the Red Sox is mentioned. How about instead of the condescending superiority thing you do, how about you follow the Red Sox the way you see fit and let others follow the Red Sox the way they see fit? Live and let live. No need to act like a bully. If you disagree either use facts or move on. You're not going to change the way I see a game. You're not going to change the way others see the game and I wouldn't change a thing about the way you see the game. If somebody is really out of line a moderator will take care of it. The crybaby photos are just plain rude. I get they just won the World Series. It was an incredible year. They have virtually the same team so I don't get why people shouldn't be pissed. The Dodgers played you and they're one of the best teams in baseball. They had a poor attitude in Spring Training, they started horrifically slow which is impacting their season and they kept excusing it saying that they won last year. I don't want to hear that from the team. I don't mind fans saying it, but that's why we like Bill Belichick, it's always about tomorrow. This team should be better and they're 3 games over .500 because of a sweep against the worst team in baseball, in June. They have a losing record against the .500 + teams and that's being lenient counting the White Sox. The Yankees haven't even been healthy and are going to get some key guys back soon.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 8, 2019 11:14:37 GMT -5
Uh....you know that could be construed as your position anytime anything even remotely critical of the Red Sox is mentioned. How about instead of the condescending superiority thing you do, how about you follow the Red Sox the way you see fit and let others follow the Red Sox the way they see fit? Live and let live. No need to act like a bully. If you disagree either use facts or move on. You're not going to change the way I see a game. You're not going to change the way others see the game and I wouldn't change a thing about the way you see the game. If somebody is really out of line a moderator will take care of it. The crybaby photos are just plain rude. I get they just won the World Series. It was an incredible year. They have virtually the same team so I don't get why people shouldn't be pissed. The Dodgers played you and they're one of the best teams in baseball. They had a poor attitude in Spring Training, they started horrifically slow which is impacting their season and they kept excusing it saying that they won last year. I don't want to hear that from the team. I don't mind fans saying it, but that's why we like Bill Belichick, it's always about tomorrow. This team should be better and they're 3 games over .500 because of a sweep against the worst team in baseball, in June. They have a losing record against the .500 + teams and that's being lenient counting the White Sox. The Yankees haven't even been healthy and are going to get some key guys back soon. I'd say I'm more disappointed than annoyed. They'll play better. They're too good not to, but they're also not as great as they were last year. I still can't figure out how a team with no offense from behind the plate, 2b, CF for half a season, poor 3b production (Devers wasn't quite Devers yet) and a questionable bullpen behind Kimbrel could be so damn dominant - and better yet, be even better during the post-season when suddenly it wasn't the stars they were relying on but rather the supporting cast which is crazy given how top-heavy their roster was. The way I see it I want to see the Red Sox win as many times as possible in my lifetime, and if they win, I'll add on to my already (happily) crowded shrine room - and if they lose, I'll piss and moan about it - aka process my feelings, get over it, and be ready next year.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 8, 2019 11:19:01 GMT -5
Time to start the "Let Marco Play" movement!😀
Nunez. Yuck.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 8, 2019 11:29:27 GMT -5
Yikes, that's the ugliest lineup I can remember. Betts, Bogaerts, Devers, and... lots of evidence that Dombrowski hasn't built a very good bench.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 8, 2019 11:56:05 GMT -5
Well Toto, it looks like we're not in Kansas (City) anymore. The Red Sox played a real team at Fenway Park and looked bad again. If the Red Sox want to try to catch Tampa and New York they should try to take series head-to-head when they play them. There will be plenty of dregs for the Red Sox to play in order for them to get their record healthy. But it shouldn't be this damn hard for the team to get to 5 games over .500. I guess all I needed to see was two innings for the snapshot of this game. Porcello in the 4th gets in a major jam, looks like he's about to pull off a major houdini - and then gives up the 2 run single anyways just one strike away from extricating himself. Then in the 6th the Sox have their chance to get right back in the game. Bases loaded and no outs, but Benintendi gives them a weak AB and then Devers strikes out. That was the game in a nutshell right there. Last year Porcello would have gotten that 3rd out and the Sox would have turned that inning into a big inning. 2018 was that 1% scenario fantasy come true to real life. This year is more realistic or as - was it Andy Barkett who said that last year was Disney World. We're back in the real world. Things aren't always going to break right. That's why I don't see the Sox catching NY or Tampa or winning 100 games. However I think a lot would have to go wrong for the Sox to stay as mediocre as they've been and to miss the playoffs. I'll take the in-between scenario. They'll do enough to wow you and they'll do enough to aggravate you and leave you wanting more. That seems like a more realistic scenario. Hopefully the Sox can split the series and not lose ground. Every hitter who has ever lived would have taken Benny's strike three. Seriously, if a guy throws a 96.8 mph two-seamer with serious armside run and backdoors it low and exactly on the black and you think it's the hitter's fault for fanning ... I'm just speechless.
Last year Porcello would have gotten that 3rd out and the Sox would have turned that inning into a big inning.
Really, this reads like satire.
I seem to remember Sox pitchers giving up hits with RISP and 2 outs last year. In fact, it happened 141 times, and they were significantly worse than overall, OBP .325 vs. .309, SA .404 vs. .390.
Porcello was a major culprit, allowing .292 / .352 / .462.
GameDay shows all four of the called balls to Holt as being in the strike zone.
JBJ then breaks up the no-hitter with a hit with an expected BA of .160.
Betts has a spectacular PA and takes four pitches that are just fractionally off the plate.
Devers had a hittable pitch for strike two. That was the only pitch in the inning that wasn't ridiculously nasty.
This sort of negativity, frankly, reads as pathological. And I think I'm going to be happier not seeing it going forward.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2019 12:04:25 GMT -5
Yeah, it is pathological negativity for sure.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2019 12:09:21 GMT -5
Uh....you know that could be construed as your position anytime anything even remotely critical of the Red Sox is mentioned. How about instead of the condescending superiority thing you do, how about you follow the Red Sox the way you see fit and let others follow the Red Sox the way they see fit? Live and let live. No need to act like a bully. If you disagree either use facts or move on. You're not going to change the way I see a game. You're not going to change the way others see the game and I wouldn't change a thing about the way you see the game. If somebody is really out of line a moderator will take care of it. The crybaby photos are just plain rude. I've never in my life been accused of bullying anyone. Complaining about pathological negativity is not bullying. I am doing what I see fit. Stop complaining about what I'm complaining about and live and let live. Leaving the circle of negativity sit here and have a safe space to whine about how the Red Sox suck despite winning at an over .600 winning percentage for more than a month is not giving up bullying. It's just leaving this place to be destroyed by unreasonable fans. It takes me about 30 posts of whining to get me going, not one.
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Post by bosox on Jun 8, 2019 12:10:11 GMT -5
Time to start the "Let Marco Play" movement!😀 Nunez. Yuck. I'm really hoping Marco does well but he'll probably be the frequent flyer between Boston and Pawtucket. The sad part is Cora and perhaps DD will not cut Nunez loose. I'm guessing Nunez being a veteran plays a part but the guy cannot play defense (especially second base) and doesn't make great base running decisions. I'll always remember the play that with the bases loaded he hit the ball up the first base line, stopped running and the pitcher turned it into a 1-2-3 double play - end of inning.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2019 12:14:04 GMT -5
Nunez has been destroying the ball lately. In his last 31 PA, he has a 154 wRC+ and I think some of that is actually unlucky.
In Chavis' last 31 PA, he has a -34 wRC+ and a 48.4% k rate. He's the one who people should want benched.
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