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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 8, 2020 9:55:02 GMT -5
I would be disappointed if the Sox passed on PCA, Soderstrom, and Abel to take Crochet. I don't think he has a high ceiling and there are injury concerns. Curious, why don't you think he has a high ceiling? The floor is astronomically low but the ceiling is also very, very high to me.
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 8, 2020 10:29:31 GMT -5
Agreed Crotchet yo me is essentially a muscular version of Chris Sale if it all works out. And no offense to Mr. Eric, love the guy. But honestly the names I’ve heard are PCA, Garret Crotchet, and Abel. All we need is a Mitchell to complete every demographic possible.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 8, 2020 11:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jun 8, 2020 12:08:11 GMT -5
I would be disappointed if the Sox passed on PCA, Soderstrom, and Abel to take Crochet. I don't think he has a high ceiling and there are injury concerns. Curious, why don't you think he has a high ceiling? The floor is astronomically low but the ceiling is also very, very high to me. From Law's top 100: "39. Garret Crochet, LHP, Tennessee, Age: 21 Crochet is one of the bigger wild cards in the class, having missed the first three weekends of the spring for undisclosed reasons, then returning for an unannounced, 3 1/3-inning relief outing that only a few area scouts saw on the final weekend of the spring. Crochet has a huge arm, up to 99 with a grade-70 slider that wipes out left-handed batters, helped by some cross-body action to his delivery, but struggled to get right-handed batters out last year and doesn’t pitch as well to his glove side. He flies off the rubber but gets his arm in good position when his front foot lands, and he has average control if not command. He’s got substantial reliever risk, but also has one of the best pure arms in the draft, and someone will probably take him in the first round in the hopes that he can remain a starter." My concern regarding Crochet's ceiling is his cross body delivery and limited spring bc of an undisclosed injury. A bigger Chris Sale doesn't bode well to me considering he's already dealing w injury issues and Sale just had to get Tommy John due in part to his similar delivery.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 8, 2020 12:22:48 GMT -5
Curious, why don't you think he has a high ceiling? The floor is astronomically low but the ceiling is also very, very high to me. From Law's top 100: "39. Garret Crochet, LHP, Tennessee, Age: 21 Crochet is one of the bigger wild cards in the class, having missed the first three weekends of the spring for undisclosed reasons, then returning for an unannounced, 3 1/3-inning relief outing that only a few area scouts saw on the final weekend of the spring. Crochet has a huge arm, up to 99 with a grade-70 slider that wipes out left-handed batters, helped by some cross-body action to his delivery, but struggled to get right-handed batters out last year and doesn’t pitch as well to his glove side. He flies off the rubber but gets his arm in good position when his front foot lands, and he has average control if not command. He’s got substantial reliever risk, but also has one of the best pure arms in the draft, and someone will probably take him in the first round in the hopes that he can remain a starter." My concern regarding Crochet's ceiling is his cross body delivery and limited spring bc of an undisclosed injury. A bigger Chris Sale doesn't bode well to me considering he's already dealing w injury issues and Sale just had to get Tommy John due in part to his similar delivery. Those are things that would inhibit his chances of reaching his ceiling but not good justification for him not having a high ceiling. If you want to cherry pick the most negative scouting report of Crochet in the industry in hopes of using confirmation bias to prove your point, you kind of have to acknowledge that Law says he has one of the best arms in the draft.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jun 8, 2020 12:39:21 GMT -5
From Law's top 100: "39. Garret Crochet, LHP, Tennessee, Age: 21 Crochet is one of the bigger wild cards in the class, having missed the first three weekends of the spring for undisclosed reasons, then returning for an unannounced, 3 1/3-inning relief outing that only a few area scouts saw on the final weekend of the spring. Crochet has a huge arm, up to 99 with a grade-70 slider that wipes out left-handed batters, helped by some cross-body action to his delivery, but struggled to get right-handed batters out last year and doesn’t pitch as well to his glove side. He flies off the rubber but gets his arm in good position when his front foot lands, and he has average control if not command. He’s got substantial reliever risk, but also has one of the best pure arms in the draft, and someone will probably take him in the first round in the hopes that he can remain a starter." My concern regarding Crochet's ceiling is his cross body delivery and limited spring bc of an undisclosed injury. A bigger Chris Sale doesn't bode well to me considering he's already dealing w injury issues and Sale just had to get Tommy John due in part to his similar delivery. Those are things that would inhibit his chances of reaching his ceiling but not good justification for him not having a high ceiling. If you want to cherry pick the most negative scouting report of Crochet in the industry in hopes of using confirmation bias to prove your point, you kind of have to acknowledge that Law says he has one of the best arms in the draft. I guess it's not a matter of ceiling, but more I'd be disappointed in the pick bc they would have passed on some high school bats like PCA and Soderstrom. Without a 2nd round pick, hitting on that first rounder is more important and I think Crochet would be very risky after dealing with shoulder trouble already. Just my opinion.
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 8, 2020 13:12:21 GMT -5
I’m now dubious of passing on PCA as well....but I’m starting to think the only bat left at 17 may be Soderstrom and maybe not even him....if HS bat isn’t available wonder where they go. Hassell and Veen seem to be gone in top 10. Hendrick and Soderstrom have both been gone by 17 in many mocks and PCA seems to be gaining steam. Which if it unfolds that way, mean arms or Mitchell.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 8, 2020 13:16:11 GMT -5
Those are things that would inhibit his chances of reaching his ceiling but not good justification for him not having a high ceiling. If you want to cherry pick the most negative scouting report of Crochet in the industry in hopes of using confirmation bias to prove your point, you kind of have to acknowledge that Law says he has one of the best arms in the draft. I guess it's not a matter of ceiling, but more I'd be disappointed in the pick bc they would have passed on some high school bats like PCA and Soderstrom. Without a 2nd round pick, hitting on that first rounder is more important and I think Crochet would be very risky after dealing with shoulder trouble already. Just my opinion. I agree that he's risky, I was just nitpicking the semantics of "ceiling". I wouldn't be overjoyed over the pick, but I see the logic in it. PCA is quickly becoming my favorite with Hassell and Mitchell not likely to make it there, but if they went college pitcher I think I'd prefer it be Crochet (maybe Wilcox).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2020 13:54:10 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 8, 2020 14:02:10 GMT -5
Finally Chris, you monster.
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 8, 2020 16:06:24 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 8, 2020 16:21:52 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 8, 2020 19:46:11 GMT -5
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 9, 2020 6:29:48 GMT -5
Between Hassell and PCA, who would the crowd love? I know most now have Hassell gone before our pick, but he was the pick in soxprospects' mock back in March. Should I be happy he and PCA seem to have flipped since? I originally liked Hassell more based on him being a pure hitter, but the descriptions seem to have that for PAC as well. So what's the difference- Hassell performed closer to his tools?
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Post by philarhody on Jun 9, 2020 6:57:14 GMT -5
Between Hassell and PCA, who would the crowd love? I know most now have Hassell gone before our pick, but he was the pick in soxprospects' mock back in March. Should I be happy he and PCA seem to have flipped since? I originally liked Hassell more based on him being a pure hitter, but the descriptions seem to have that for PAC as well. So what's the difference- Hassell performed closer to his tools? In every clip I’ve seen of PCA, he is hyping up his teammates and basically going nuts after hitting doubles in high school. I think this is awesome. It seems he really cares and has a passion for the game. I think he’s pretty much “can’t miss,” something you cannot say about most high school prospects. I don’t know if he ever hits for more than 7 or 8 home runs in the majors. But a player who hits 30 doubles with 20 steals while getting on base and playing plus defense is probably worth 2.5 to 3 war a year in my mind. I kind of like smaller tooolsy prospects because the swings are easier to project.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2020 8:28:12 GMT -5
Between Hassell and PCA, who would the crowd love? I know most now have Hassell gone before our pick, but he was the pick in soxprospects' mock back in March. Should I be happy he and PCA seem to have flipped since? I originally liked Hassell more based on him being a pure hitter, but the descriptions seem to have that for PAC as well. So what's the difference- Hassell performed closer to his tools? I don't agree with the premise that they've flipped. BA, FG, PG, and MLB all have Hassell ranked higher. I'd much prefer Hassell. Fairly certain that he's not falling though. Based on what I've read Hassell's the better hitter, whereas PCA's best tool is the CF defense and maybe speed.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2020 8:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 9, 2020 8:41:08 GMT -5
I don't agree with the premise that they've flipped. BA, FG, PG, and MLB all have Hassell ranked higher. I'd much prefer Hassell. Fairly certain that he's not falling though. Based on what I've read Hassell's the better hitter, whereas PCA's best tool is the CF defense and maybe speed. That gets to the nub of my question. You got Hassell during the mock draft, at 17, so I was curious if that was just a fluke, or if Hassell had moved up in the interim. So, to answer my question, if Hassell falls, we're doing cartwheels, right?
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 9, 2020 9:03:15 GMT -5
Some guys who interest me for 3rd to 5th rounds:
Hudson Haskins - I imagine he might go 15-20 picks prior to our third rounder given I that is he is a college bat ranked in the 70-80 range on the lists I have seen but seems like a lot of tools and you have to think there is a little more pop to come at 6'2 200lbs with athleticism. Love the low k rate combined with athleticism and bat to barrel abilities and could see him being a 20/20 guy who might stick in center or could play that valuable right field in Fenway. 5 homers and 17 steals in 142 plate appearances with wood in Cape Cod League confirms his power/speed more so than his college output.
Mason Erla - Michigan State. Stuff was ticking way up this year in small sample. Feels like a guy who may have gotten to the 40-60 range if the season was not truncated.
Landon Knack - East Tennessee State. See Mason Erla. Stuff was ticking way up and was absolutely dominant in his four starts this year. 5th year senior may be a target of those looking to save money in 2nd/3rd.
Jacob Misiorowski - 6'6" 190 lb high schooler who is 90-94 with presumably more to come with additional weight/strength. Has a good hammer curve already. Seems like the prototypical go to college and end up a first rounder in a few years so I presume he will likely be costly to sign away from Oklahoma State.
Jordan Nwogu - 6'3 235 lb outfielder from Michigan. Seen him ranked from 108 to 191. Plus raw power that hasn't manifested in games to this point with 60 speed, reasonable k rate but left field only profile with questionable defense/arm
Isaiah Greene - Late rising HS outfielder with goo speed, likely to stick in center and good hit tool. Possibly gone before sox pick or a hard sign but if he can figure out the power...which I like his odds given strength/weight gains to his 6'1, 180lb athletic frame, then could be a huge steal. MLB has him ranked in 60's but have seen him in the 100- 130 range as well.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2020 9:34:24 GMT -5
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Post by dmaineah on Jun 9, 2020 9:37:00 GMT -5
The Red Sox should be thinking; Starting Pitcher, Starting Pitcher, Starting Pitcher, Starting Pitcher, Starting Pitcher
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 9, 2020 9:54:59 GMT -5
www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mock-draft-june-3Abel again to Red Sox no real intell here minus the fact that Cavalli is in top 15 and Mayo says PCA is starting to be mentioned higher and higher. As a result Hendrick, Abel, and Bitsko are available for the Red Sox. Crotchet and PCA are gone by this point. It will be interesting if Crotchet and PCA get taken before 17. Because if there is a “zero chance” that Sox take a HS pitcher (per Law). Then who? In this mock maybe Hendrick?
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Post by Coreno on Jun 9, 2020 10:23:06 GMT -5
Even though the pick is in line with a lot of other outlets, the logic strikes me as strange, considering the rest of those guys were taken out of college.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jun 9, 2020 10:47:16 GMT -5
Even though the pick is in line with a lot of other outlets, the logic strikes me as strange, considering the rest of those guys were taken out of college. If they go PCA, I hope they punt and offer him the minimum in order to recoup a pick next year.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 9, 2020 11:16:50 GMT -5
That has to be the Angels given how they’ve operated so far. Let’s hope whichever team it is doesn’t take a player other teams want to genuinely sign. MLB should do something if they are doing it deliberately.
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