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Post by jimed14 on Jan 26, 2020 15:29:02 GMT -5
The next person who asks should be hit with a nerf gun.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 26, 2020 16:13:27 GMT -5
The next person who asks should be hit with a nerf gun. Yes, but where?
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Post by baseballguy350 on Jan 26, 2020 19:53:54 GMT -5
The next person who asks should be hit with a nerf gun. Yes, but where? The left knee? Too soon?
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Post by thankumrboggs on Jul 8, 2020 13:12:48 GMT -5
Would anyone be in favor of taking the savings from Price and seeing what Petey would take to retire? If he would settle for 12 this year and 6 next year and we could have him off the books, I would take that.
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Post by bucksmatthew on Jul 8, 2020 13:39:52 GMT -5
Would anyone be in favor of taking the savings from Price and seeing what Petey would take to retire? If he would settle for 12 this year and 6 next year and we could have him off the books, I would take that.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2020 13:40:12 GMT -5
Would anyone be in favor of taking the savings from Price and seeing what Petey would take to retire? If he would settle for 12 this year and 6 next year and we could have him off the books, I would take that. So just making sure: Your plan to get him to retire is to offer him less money than he would get by not retiring? Why would he do that? We've been through this already in a number of threads (not your fault you weren't in on the conversations), so feel free to skim them a bit. It's not happening. He's going to get paid this year and next. The same happened with David Wright, Prince Fielder, and others.
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Post by bucksmatthew on Jul 8, 2020 13:40:46 GMT -5
What would be his incentive to do so? He is due to get 13 million this year, 12 next..... so why should he opt for less?
and I see I posed something not quite as clearly written as Chris....
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Post by thankumrboggs on Jul 8, 2020 13:57:06 GMT -5
Would anyone be in favor of taking the savings from Price and seeing what Petey would take to retire? If he would settle for 12 this year and 6 next year and we could have him off the books, I would take that. So just making sure: Your plan to get him to retire is to offer him less money than he would get by not retiring? Why would he do that? We've been through this already in a number of threads (not your fault you weren't in on the conversations), so feel free to skim them a bit. It's not happening. He's going to get paid this year and next. The same happened with David Wright, Prince Fielder, and others. Well with David Wright they recouped something like 70% of his contract to insurance clauses on his contract. If Petey is making 12.5 Million and we are recovering 8 Million of it after the season is that a known commodity? I mean if we receive half after the season, is this similar to the math we had down here in NY with the Mets. The final salary for the year is 210 Million, but the Red Sox will get a check to cover 6 million but that is not factored into the numbers when we talk about looking for help down the stretch. Last year the Mets were up against the luxury tax and refused help even though a large portion of Cespedes and Wright was covered in after season insurance payments.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 8, 2020 14:00:17 GMT -5
Boston isn't going to ask the face of the franchise, who already signed 2 below market deals to give away more money again. It's not going to happen. I have -0- idea why it's so hard for some people to get it thru their heads there is a limit to being a single jersey team type player.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 8, 2020 14:05:46 GMT -5
You have basically one option if you wanted to free up money. Do a deal to spread the remaining money out over more years. Likely adding a few million to the totals for spreading it out. Yet I see zero reason to do that now. Just pay the guy and he done with it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2020 14:36:39 GMT -5
So just making sure: Your plan to get him to retire is to offer him less money than he would get by not retiring? Why would he do that? We've been through this already in a number of threads (not your fault you weren't in on the conversations), so feel free to skim them a bit. It's not happening. He's going to get paid this year and next. The same happened with David Wright, Prince Fielder, and others. Well with David Wright they recouped something like 70% of his contract to insurance clauses on his contract. If Petey is making 12.5 Million and we are recovering 8 Million of it after the season is that a known commodity? I mean if we receive half after the season, is this similar to the math we had down here in NY with the Mets. The final salary for the year is 210 Million, but the Red Sox will get a check to cover 6 million but that is not factored into the numbers when we talk about looking for help down the stretch. Last year the Mets were up against the luxury tax and refused help even though a large portion of Cespedes and Wright was covered in after season insurance payments. As I think you seem to be saying, insurance has nothing to do with the CBT, which is what we really care about here (the club has plenty of money to pay Pedroia).
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Post by jmanny24 on Jul 8, 2020 14:40:34 GMT -5
Ok I am going to play bad cop on Pedroia and people are gonna probably hate me for it. But, why would he do it? B/c old-school fans complain about a lack of loyalty but loyalty is a two-way street and for him to sit home (assuming his playing days are over) and collect that contract the next 2 years while taking up $13+ million in luxury tax space is like the people on collecting disability with the ability to work. I'm sorry for a guy who has made over $103million in his career (not counting endorsements), that is a bad look. I love the guy and am thankful for everything he has done, but I am a fan of the Red Sox not just Pedroia, and I would want that tax space if he has no intention of playing.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 8, 2020 14:52:50 GMT -5
Ok I am going to play bad cop on Pedroia and people are gonna probably hate me for it. But, why would he do it? B/c old-school fans complain about a lack of loyalty but loyalty is a two-way street and for him to sit home (assuming his playing days are over) and collect that contract the next 2 years while taking up $13+ million in luxury tax space is like the people on collecting disability with the ability to work. I'm sorry for a guy who has made over $103million in his career (not counting endorsements), that is a bad look. I love the guy and am thankful for everything he has done, but I am a fan of the Red Sox not just Pedroia, and I would want that tax space if he has no intention of playing. He got hurt playing. He's entitled to his money. He should not have to give any of it back. It's not a bad look. A bad look would be some malingering player who isn't playing because he did something that has nothing to do with him playing. The guy was taken out with a dirty slide from a dirty player. Pedroia owes the Red Sox absolutely nothing. And his getting paid does nothing and I mean NOTHING to tarnish who he has been. And you're also forgetting that he has done everything in his power to come back from this most likely career ending injury. It's not like he got hurt one day and the next he was sitting on his butt content. The man had a risky surgery and has done everything in his power to get back. Honestly would it make you happier if he had done a $20 million/year for 5 year deal rather than $14 milion/year for 7 years? His lower base salary gave the Sox plenty of flexibility at a time they needed it. He owes the Red Sox absolutely nothing.
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Post by jmanny24 on Jul 8, 2020 15:03:51 GMT -5
Ok I am going to play bad cop on Pedroia and people are gonna probably hate me for it. But, why would he do it? B/c old-school fans complain about a lack of loyalty but loyalty is a two-way street and for him to sit home (assuming his playing days are over) and collect that contract the next 2 years while taking up $13+ million in luxury tax space is like the people on collecting disability with the ability to work. I'm sorry for a guy who has made over $103million in his career (not counting endorsements), that is a bad look. I love the guy and am thankful for everything he has done, but I am a fan of the Red Sox not just Pedroia, and I would want that tax space if he has no intention of playing. He got hurt playing. He's entitled to his money. He should not have to give any of it back. It's not a bad look. A bad look would be some malingering player who isn't playing because he did something that has nothing to do with him playing. The guy was taken out with a dirty slide from a dirty player. Pedroia owes the Red Sox absolutely nothing. And his getting paid does nothing and I mean NOTHING to tarnish who he has been. And you're also forgetting that he has done everything in his power to come back from this most likely career ending injury. It's not like he got hurt one day and the next he was sitting on his butt content. The man had a risky surgery and has done everything in his power to get back. Honestly would it make you happier if he had done a $20 million/year for 5 year deal rather than $14 milion/year for 7 years? His lower base salary gave the Sox plenty of flexibility at a time they needed it. He owes the Red Sox absolutely nothing. I am not saying he shouldn't get paid, I am saying there should be some way to figure out how to pay him and get that tax relief. I know he has tried very hard to come back, but at this point it is pretty clear he is unlikely to play again.He deserves to get paid but the team also deserves to use that space if he isn't going to play.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 8, 2020 15:24:38 GMT -5
He got hurt playing. He's entitled to his money. He should not have to give any of it back. It's not a bad look. A bad look would be some malingering player who isn't playing because he did something that has nothing to do with him playing. The guy was taken out with a dirty slide from a dirty player. Pedroia owes the Red Sox absolutely nothing. And his getting paid does nothing and I mean NOTHING to tarnish who he has been. I am not saying he shouldn't get paid, I am saying there should be some way to figure out how to pay him and get that tax relief. I know he has tried very hard to come back, but at this point it is pretty clear he is unlikely to play again.He deserves to get paid but the team also deserves to use that space if he isn't going to play. Can't he just be out-righted off the 40-man roster and get paid without counting against the lux tax? Is that not possible/allowed for an injured player? There should be a buy-out clause. Or he and the league and the team should work together to do a back-room deal for the same money in an "advisory" role, at least for the 2021 season (last year of deal).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2020 16:12:21 GMT -5
Moved the Pedroia talk in the 2020 CBT savings from Price thread to here.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 18, 2021 14:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaymabe on Jan 18, 2021 15:59:26 GMT -5
Pedey has earned every dime of his contract. Signed a below market deal to remain with the team for life. It sucks that he got hurt.
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Post by Canseco on Jan 18, 2021 16:01:04 GMT -5
Pedey has earned every dime of his contract. Signed a below market deal to remain with the team for life. It sucks that he got hurt. This is why I will always resent Manny Machado. That guy can kick rocks.
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Post by borisman on Jan 19, 2021 11:40:58 GMT -5
F Pedroia. He now reminds me of Luther from the Warriors. "It's wasn't us. It was them, the Warriors", screaming from the dugout when the Sox tried to hit Machado.
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 19, 2021 12:45:02 GMT -5
F Pedroia. He now reminds me of Luther from the Warriors. "It's wasn't us. It was them, the Warriors", screaming from the dugout when the Sox tried to hit Machado. Wow. The worst possible take.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 19, 2021 13:20:13 GMT -5
F Pedroia. He now reminds me of Luther from the Warriors. "It's wasn't us. It was them, the Warriors", screaming from the dugout when the Sox tried to hit Machado. Wow. The worst possible take. While I wouldn't go that far either, what do you say about Pedroia doing that, though. That wasn't a good look for a lot of Sox fans.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 19, 2021 13:25:39 GMT -5
There's really not much to work out if Pedroia doesn't want to be activated for a final PA, a la Wright. Just planning a day for him and the press conference. Then they put him on the inactive / retired list (not looking up what it's called!).
Once you're on that list, you have to stay there all season, so any on-field Pedroia farewell would be in 2022. I imagine they could ask the commissioner's office for an exception, though.
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Post by unitspin on Jan 19, 2021 14:23:15 GMT -5
Wow. The worst possible take. While I wouldn't go that far either, what do you say about Pedroia doing that, though. That wasn't a good look for a lot of Sox fans. That along with the eck dispute was all I needed to speak of his character.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jan 20, 2021 6:32:25 GMT -5
While I wouldn't go that far either, what do you say about Pedroia doing that, though. That wasn't a good look for a lot of Sox fans. That along with the eck dispute was all I needed to speak of his character. I’ve always been a big fan of Pedey. I’ve been one of the most ardent critics of Manny Machado on this board. The shouting from the dugout and the Eckersley situation demonstrate to me something that I think has always been true about him. He was an outstanding baseball player. From my limited view as a fan though, I do t see that he has significant natural leadership qualities they way some people in any field do. Papi had it in spades. Tek had it. I don’t think it’s a knock on the guy that it isn’t part of his personality to lead. Don’t we all know people who have been a colleague for a long time who just aren’t suited to be in charge? They can be very good at the job itself but aren’t really a good choice to lead others. I still view him as the pleasantly annoying, massively confidant guy they had fun with his teammates and lightened up a clubhouse. But when things aren’t going well for the team, those natural traits are only part of the solution. This is why I’ve always been unsure when people suggest he manage or coach. I know we’ve heard about him giving tips to hitters and even some on the pitching staff, so maybe there’s something there. Anyway, he’d never buy a beer in any bar I ever saw him in.
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