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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 20, 2021 7:52:37 GMT -5
A lot of this seems like revisionist history, small potatoes or under the category of what have you done for me lately. Or possibly I have selective amnesia. But Pedey in my book was one of the Red Sox all-time greats. I'm mad at Machado but not at Pedroia for his reaction to the Sox going after Machado. Yeah I know that was the age old macho baseball payback way of standing up for your teammate but my impression at the time was that Pedey didn't think that Machado was being dirty and didn't want him thinking that he ordered retaliation. I think that he empathized with being head hunted. People felt that his reaction threw his team under the bus. Unfortunately the play added to the knee problems that had plagued for several years prior and ultimately ended his career.
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Post by semperfisox on Jan 20, 2021 9:11:04 GMT -5
I’ve always been a massive Pedroia fan....that being said the past couple years have been sad. He just hasn’t accepted his baseball career is over.
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Post by Smittyw on Jan 20, 2021 19:01:05 GMT -5
The "That's not me" thing was not a great look for Pedroia, but also one heat-of-the-moment blip in a really awesome career. It always surprises me how many fans never seemed to forgive him for that...
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Post by ramireja on Jan 20, 2021 19:17:43 GMT -5
A lot of this seems like revisionist history, small potatoes or under the category of what have you done for me lately. Or possibly I have selective amnesia. But Pedey in my book was one of the Red Sox all-time greats. I'm mad at Machado but not at Pedroia for his reaction to the Sox going after Machado. Yeah I know that was the age old macho baseball payback way of standing up for your teammate but my impression at the time was that Pedey didn't think that Machado was being dirty and didn't want him thinking that he ordered retaliation. I think that he empathized with being head hunted. People felt that his reaction threw his team under the bus. Unfortunately the play added to the knee problems that had plagued for several years prior and ultimately ended his career. Yes to this take right here. I try to stay out of the way these days, but character assassination of a true dirt dog (one that we're incredibly fortunate to have in our organization) over something as trivial as that incident makes my blood boil. He is one of the all-time greats in our organization and to me embodies the spirit of Red Sox baseball. I'm astounded that fans would turn on him for something like that but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jan 20, 2021 19:46:55 GMT -5
The "That's not me" thing was not a great look for Pedroia, but also one heat-of-the-moment blip in a really awesome career. It always surprises me how many fans never seemed to forgive him for that... Agreed. Don't we all have examples in our lives we wish we had back? Imagine if that got caught on camera and never forgotten. I also wonder how many of our heroes have done something similar but didn't get caught because there aren't 20 cameras looking to capture every little thing someone does. Back in the 1950s there might have only had been one camera behind home plate so this would have never gotten immortalized.
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 21, 2021 10:02:33 GMT -5
The "That's not me" thing was not a great look for Pedroia, but also one heat-of-the-moment blip in a really awesome career. It always surprises me how many fans never seemed to forgive him for that... Agreed. Don't we all have examples in our lives we wish we had back? Imagine if that got caught on camera and never forgotten. I also wonder how many of our heroes have done something similar but didn't get caught because there aren't 20 cameras looking to capture every little thing someone does. Back in the 1950s there might have only had been one camera behind home plate so this would have never gotten immortalized. This is true on so many levels. Not just baseball but everyday life all around us. We are ALL human and no one is perfect which means we all make mistakes. Hopefully we learn from those mistakes and don't repeat them. I admit it wasn't Pedroia's finest moment but I don't hold it against him either. He is entitled to his $$$ just like anyone else, even if it creates a roster issue for the Sox.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 22, 2021 1:56:30 GMT -5
The "That's not me" thing was not a great look for Pedroia, but also one heat-of-the-moment blip in a really awesome career. It always surprises me how many fans never seemed to forgive him for that... Agreed. Don't we all have examples in our lives we wish we had back? Imagine if that got caught on camera and never forgotten. I also wonder how many of our heroes have done something similar but didn't get caught because there aren't 20 cameras looking to capture every little thing someone does. Back in the 1950s there might have only had been one camera behind home plate so this would have never gotten immortalized. But this wasn't the only example of Dustin Pedroia having issues. This incident started to help shape a narrative that was already building. - Was on the chicken and beer team. Not that he had a hand in it, but it dented the reputation of everyone on it, especially those in a leadership type of role. - Posted a childish picture of Bobby Valentine sleeping. Don't care if he was terrible at his job, it was highly unprofessional in an otherwise abysmal season. - Openly critiqued Bobby Valentine after Bobby made questionable comments about his friend and teammate Kevin Youkilis. - Applauds David Price when Price is undressing Eckersley for making a very accurate comment either about E-Rod's minor league numbers (which was something like 8 runs in less than an inning, yuck) or David Price taking 10 hours between pitches. - As mentioned above, “It’s not me, it’s them". - Dustin Pedroia rips Farrell on his way out the door. I loved the gamesmanship of the guy, but it went beyond just this one incident. He's a gamer and wants to be on the field, so give him all the credit and respect in the world for it.
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Post by costpet on Jan 22, 2021 9:18:58 GMT -5
Someone please explain this to me. Why can't the Sox just release Pety and pay him what is due? That opens up a spot on the 40 man roster. I'm confused.
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Post by manfred on Jan 22, 2021 10:13:49 GMT -5
Agreed. Don't we all have examples in our lives we wish we had back? Imagine if that got caught on camera and never forgotten. I also wonder how many of our heroes have done something similar but didn't get caught because there aren't 20 cameras looking to capture every little thing someone does. Back in the 1950s there might have only had been one camera behind home plate so this would have never gotten immortalized. But this wasn't the only example of Dustin Pedroia having issues. This incident started to help shape a narrative that was already building. - Was on the chicken and beer team. Not that he had a hand in it, but it dented the reputation of everyone on it, especially those in a leadership type of role. - Posted a childish picture of Bobby Valentine sleeping. Don't care if he was terrible at his job, it was highly unprofessional in an otherwise abysmal season. - Openly critiqued Bobby Valentine after Bobby made questionable comments about his friend and teammate Kevin Youkilis. - Applauds David Price when Price is undressing Eckersley for making a very accurate comment either about E-Rod's minor league numbers (which was something like 8 runs in less than an inning, yuck) or David Price taking 10 hours between pitches. - As mentioned above, “It’s not me, it’s them". - Dustin Pedroia rips Farrell on his way out the door. I loved the gamesmanship of the guy, but it went beyond just this one incident. He's a gamer and wants to be on the field, so give him all the credit and respect in the world for it. C’mon... you seem to be trying to frame incredibly minor things as some pattern. He was *on* the chicken and beer team? So... everyone on a team with *anyone* with an attitude problem is partly guilty? We don’t know (that I’m aware of) what he did/said. But note: you are having it both ways. He *didn’t* blast the slackers, so he’s guilty. But he *did* rip Valentine... also guilty! He didn’t go against his chicken and beer teammates... guilty. He did stand up for Price... guilty. If his teammates come out and say he was a bad teammate, I’ll listen. But until then, dude was our captain, the glue to much of the best stretch in team history. He ruined his body giving fans all he could. That’s how I’ll remember him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 22, 2021 11:31:18 GMT -5
Someone please explain this to me. Why can't the Sox just release Pety and pay him what is due? That opens up a spot on the 40 man roster. I'm confused. Because he's a franchise legend and they want to do it in a way that respects his legacy. That's exactly what's going to happen. They haven't rushed it because they still need more 40-man spots than his, so there's no reason to rush it.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 1, 2021 12:49:22 GMT -5
But this wasn't the only example of Dustin Pedroia having issues. This incident started to help shape a narrative that was already building. - Was on the chicken and beer team. Not that he had a hand in it, but it dented the reputation of everyone on it, especially those in a leadership type of role. - Posted a childish picture of Bobby Valentine sleeping. Don't care if he was terrible at his job, it was highly unprofessional in an otherwise abysmal season. - Openly critiqued Bobby Valentine after Bobby made questionable comments about his friend and teammate Kevin Youkilis. - Applauds David Price when Price is undressing Eckersley for making a very accurate comment either about E-Rod's minor league numbers (which was something like 8 runs in less than an inning, yuck) or David Price taking 10 hours between pitches. - As mentioned above, “It’s not me, it’s them". - Dustin Pedroia rips Farrell on his way out the door. I loved the gamesmanship of the guy, but it went beyond just this one incident. He's a gamer and wants to be on the field, so give him all the credit and respect in the world for it. C’mon... you seem to be trying to frame incredibly minor things as some pattern. He was *on* the chicken and beer team? So... everyone on a team with *anyone* with an attitude problem is partly guilty? We don’t know (that I’m aware of) what he did/said. But note: you are having it both ways. He *didn’t* blast the slackers, so he’s guilty. But he *did* rip Valentine... also guilty! He didn’t go against his chicken and beer teammates... guilty. He did stand up for Price... guilty. If his teammates come out and say he was a bad teammate, I’ll listen. But until then, dude was our captain, the glue to much of the best stretch in team history. He ruined his body giving fans all he could. That’s how I’ll remember him. No, I'm just saying being a part of that team was a ding on everyone. It was admittedly less on him than the people involved or the captains, but just a black cloud on the whole team. It also means he didn't step up and become a leader. It's trivial, but that's what started annoyances with anyone and everyone on that team. It was then built onto it by immediately being a dingus to his new manager. I get Valentine was terrible and I personally loathed Farrell, but I don't want to see the players attacking the coaches. The thing I'm most disappointed in is not the, "it's not me, it's them", but clapping and cheering on David Price undressing a HoFer. I don't disagree that the players didn't love him. I'm sure they did. I agree he was a gamer and would play till he was 55 if he could. He signed a below market deal at the team to play here even though in retrospect the Red Sox ended up over paying. Loved the player, wasn't super thrilled about the leadership. He was a net positive.
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