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Post by manfred on Feb 6, 2020 13:32:01 GMT -5
Hey, in the spirit of “can’t we all just get along,” can we agree that the 2020 Sox season is going to suck? If the pitching doesn’t stay healthy they will That lineup is more than good enough though imo Verdugo Bogaerts Devers Martinez Moreland Vazquez Benintendi Chavis/Peraza JBJ That’s a Lefty-righty balance with a pretty fantastic 1-4 Some upside in the bottom of the lineup too if Moreland stays healthy, vazquez maintains, and Benintendi/JBJ rebound Whatever we get out 2B is gravy imo. It’s possible Chavis learned how to hit a fastball at his waist! Let’s say they have complete health. Top output Sale. Then last year’s Erod. Then... Eovaldi... umm... Perez.... and pray for rain? I don’t think health is the only concern here.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Feb 6, 2020 13:34:18 GMT -5
I love my job. If a new company wants to offer me 25% more than what I'm making, I'm inclined to take it. Why isn't he entitled to maximize his value despite liking his employer? Why should he be penalized for liking where he works? I didn’t say he should be penalized. I’m saying the world doesn’t revolve around him and both parties have to analyze the risk and make a decision; which they did. The baseball world will 100% revolve around him next offseason when he's far and away the #1 free agent. Only other big names are Realmuto, Springer, Bauer, Semien, all solid B+ to A- players with flaws.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 6, 2020 13:50:23 GMT -5
No, we can't. This team isn't going to lose 100 games lol. It will be a bummer without Mookie but in terms of wins and losses it'll probably not be too far off last year's record as long as the team has better injury luck. Well, a mid-80s win season that begins with firing a good young manager, dumping payroll (and your best homegrown player in half a century) and crossed fingers that aging pitchers can stay healthy (to reach that mid-80s total) while looking forward to a few more years of great uncertainty.... that pretty much defines “no fun” to me. I'm not going to tell you what to get enjoyment out of, and I don't disagree that losing Mookie is a bummer. But I'm still going to have a lot of fun watching Devers, Bogaerts, Martinez, Benintendi, a hopefully healthy Sale, E-Rod, and the development of some of the younger guys. It's going to be fine, but if you want to harp on the negatives that is totally your right.
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Post by cdj on Feb 6, 2020 14:02:02 GMT -5
If the pitching doesn’t stay healthy they will That lineup is more than good enough though imo Verdugo Bogaerts Devers Martinez Moreland Vazquez Benintendi Chavis/Peraza JBJ That’s a Lefty-righty balance with a pretty fantastic 1-4 Some upside in the bottom of the lineup too if Moreland stays healthy, vazquez maintains, and Benintendi/JBJ rebound Whatever we get out 2B is gravy imo. It’s possible Chavis learned how to hit a fastball at his waist! Let’s say they have complete health. Top output Sale. Then last year’s Erod. Then... Eovaldi... umm... Perez.... and pray for rain? I don’t think health is the only concern here. If Eovaldi stays healthy he’s a solid starter. Perez is probably league average with a little upside. An opener seems to work more than most 5 starters tbh, just got to have a staff that can handle it. Which given the health issues you may not
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 6, 2020 14:03:50 GMT -5
I think you're underestimating the Sox interest to sign Mookie in Free Agency. With the Red Sox getting under the tax this year, they absolutely have the ability to spend more on Mookie. They couldn't do that without getting under this season, so knowing he was always going to FA, they traded him, added future pieces, and got under the tax to overspend and sign a big name FA if they want. Maybe it won't work out that way, but they absolutely can if they want to This is the big question. I don't believe for one second that the Red Sox are willing to give Mookie the money he seeks. I think that is wishful thinking. I don't believe for one second that the Red Sox are willing to pay Mookie without being able to negotiate a penny. That is all that has happened. But it's not like Mookie is going to retire if he doesn't get what he wants.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 6, 2020 14:05:57 GMT -5
He literally just said he wanted to stay in Boston. That’s a pretty naive read. Jim Rice said he Mookie him that. If Mookie wanted to stay in Boston he would have negotiated an extension, not say that he wanted to test free agency. He’s not dumb, he knew the odds of him being traded were very real if he were to force the Red Sox to risk losing him for nothing. I would have personally rather just gone for another WS this year with Mookie, but his actions showed he cared more about hitting free agency than he did staying here, so rather than letting him walk we got some value back for him. That’s fine, it’s a business, but Mookie can’t put the onus solely on the Sox. Why on earth do we have to read between the lines with what Mookie says? He has always said the same thing and there's no reason to believe otherwise until there is one. He has always insisted on going to free agency to get the fairest deal. If the Red Sox offer him that, there is absolutely no reason to believe he wouldn't sign it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 6, 2020 14:09:23 GMT -5
This is the big question. I don't believe for one second that the Red Sox are willing to give Mookie the money he seeks. I think that is wishful thinking. I don't believe for one second that the Red Sox are willing to pay Mookie without being able to negotiate a penny. That is all that has happened. But it's not like Mookie isn't going to retire if he doesn't get what he wants. No. He'll go to the highest bidder and I strongly suspect that will be LA. And if it's close, now that he'll have an opportunity to play on an LA team that should win close to as many games as the Red Sox, it's very possible he starts to consider LA his new home so that if the two offers were close it's no longer a slam dunk he'd choose Boston over LA. Before the trade my feeling was that if he reached free agency as a Red Sox and the Sox and another team offered very similar deals, he'd take the Red Sox' offer. I never really believed that he was hellbent on leaving Boston. I think he just didn't want to take a hometown discount, which I don't think there's anything wrong with him feeling that way. It's nice for fans and team building when players do that, but they don't necessarily have to and given his status among the elite players of the game, guys like that can feel the pressure to set the market.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 6, 2020 14:11:51 GMT -5
I don't believe for one second that the Red Sox are willing to pay Mookie without being able to negotiate a penny. That is all that has happened. But it's not like Mookie isn't going to retire if he doesn't get what he wants. No. He'll go to the highest bidder and I strongly suspect that will be LA. And if it's close, now that he'll have an opportunity to play on an LA team that should win close to as many games as the Red Sox, it's very possible he starts to consider LA his new home so that if the two offers were close it's no longer a slam dunk he'd choose Boston over LA. Before the trade my feeling was that if he reached free agency as a Red Sox and the Sox and another team offered very similar deals, he'd take the Red Sox' offer. I never really believed that he was hellbent on leaving Boston. I think he just didn't want to take a hometown discount, which I don't think there's anything wrong with him feeling that way. It's nice for fans and team building when players do that, but they don't necessarily have to and given his status among the elite players of the game, guys like that can feel the pressure to set the market. I'm absolutely not shocked that you believe all that because there is never a time when you don't expect the worst. I'll wait and see what happens and hope for the best. From everything that Mookie has ever said throughout his entire career, he'll be just as open to signing with the Red Sox as any other team, whether he's on the Red Sox or any other team when he signs. You must think he's a liar.
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Post by nomar on Feb 6, 2020 14:19:41 GMT -5
That’s a pretty naive read. Jim Rice said he Mookie him that. If Mookie wanted to stay in Boston he would have negotiated an extension, not say that he wanted to test free agency. He’s not dumb, he knew the odds of him being traded were very real if he were to force the Red Sox to risk losing him for nothing. I would have personally rather just gone for another WS this year with Mookie, but his actions showed he cared more about hitting free agency than he did staying here, so rather than letting him walk we got some value back for him. That’s fine, it’s a business, but Mookie can’t put the onus solely on the Sox. Why on earth do we have to read between the lines with what Mookie says? He has always said the same thing and there's no reason to believe otherwise until there is one. He has always insisted on going to free agency to get the fairest deal. If the Red Sox offer him that, there is absolutely no reason to believe he wouldn't sign it. So you believe there was a realistic deal that we could have offered and he would have accepted this offseason? Because if not, then it’s a defensible decision to trade him and get value back rather than risk getting nothing next year. If he really cared about staying here he could have negotiated something before he hit free agency. It’s so easy for him to say “oh I would have stayed” when there’s no proving him wrong. So no, I’m not going to take anything he says about that at face value.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 6, 2020 14:26:08 GMT -5
Why on earth do we have to read between the lines with what Mookie says? He has always said the same thing and there's no reason to believe otherwise until there is one. He has always insisted on going to free agency to get the fairest deal. If the Red Sox offer him that, there is absolutely no reason to believe he wouldn't sign it. So you believe there was a realistic deal that we could have offered and he would have accepted this offseason? Because if not, then it’s a defensible decision to trade him and get value back rather than risk getting nothing next year. If he really cared about staying here he could have negotiated something before he hit free agency. It’s so easy for him to say “oh I would have stayed” when there’s no proving him wrong. So no, I’m not going to take anything he says about that at face value. No, there was never a deal to sign Mookie before now and there still isn't in LA. My only position is that the Red Sox can still re-sign him in 9 months. There is no indication that the Red Sox wouldn't be major players and there's no indication that he wouldn't want to come back.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 6, 2020 14:33:33 GMT -5
No. He'll go to the highest bidder and I strongly suspect that will be LA. And if it's close, now that he'll have an opportunity to play on an LA team that should win close to as many games as the Red Sox, it's very possible he starts to consider LA his new home so that if the two offers were close it's no longer a slam dunk he'd choose Boston over LA. Before the trade my feeling was that if he reached free agency as a Red Sox and the Sox and another team offered very similar deals, he'd take the Red Sox' offer. I never really believed that he was hellbent on leaving Boston. I think he just didn't want to take a hometown discount, which I don't think there's anything wrong with him feeling that way. It's nice for fans and team building when players do that, but they don't necessarily have to and given his status among the elite players of the game, guys like that can feel the pressure to set the market. I'm absolutely not shocked that you believe all that because there is never a time when you don't expect the worst. I'll wait and see what happens and hope for the best. From everything that Mookie has ever said throughout his entire career, he'll be just as open to signing with the Red Sox as any other team, whether he's on the Red Sox or any other team when he signs. You must think he's a liar. Jimed, you're utterly ridiculous with your condescending, smug and inaccurate remarks. I've never called him a liar or ever even thought that. Nothing I said even comes remotely close to that. All I suggested was that with the exposure to another team, it could be eye-opening and give him a chance to realize that Boston might no longer be his baseball home as he put it. Jon Lester was never really open to leaving the Red Sox until he was traded and saw life elsewhere. For Mookie being elsewhere could be a negative experience like it was for Bruce Hurst, but he's going onto an excellent ballclub with a very kind manager and with the beautiful weather he enjoys. For you to accuse me of thinking he's a liar is insulting as I would never call Mookie a liar - ever and a poor reflection on you and your condescending attitude to others.
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Post by manfred on Feb 6, 2020 14:33:51 GMT -5
No. He'll go to the highest bidder and I strongly suspect that will be LA. And if it's close, now that he'll have an opportunity to play on an LA team that should win close to as many games as the Red Sox, it's very possible he starts to consider LA his new home so that if the two offers were close it's no longer a slam dunk he'd choose Boston over LA. Before the trade my feeling was that if he reached free agency as a Red Sox and the Sox and another team offered very similar deals, he'd take the Red Sox' offer. I never really believed that he was hellbent on leaving Boston. I think he just didn't want to take a hometown discount, which I don't think there's anything wrong with him feeling that way. It's nice for fans and team building when players do that, but they don't necessarily have to and given his status among the elite players of the game, guys like that can feel the pressure to set the market. I'm absolutely not shocked that you believe all that because there is never a time when you don't expect the worst. I'll wait and see what happens and hope for the best. From everything that Mookie has ever said throughout his entire career, he'll be just as open to signing with the Red Sox as any other team, whether he's on the Red Sox or any other team when he signs. You must think he's a liar. I am the first to say if the Sox’s starting OF in 2021 is Beni, Betts, and Verdugo, this is a win. But that’s the only scenario I like it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 6, 2020 14:36:15 GMT -5
No. He'll go to the highest bidder and I strongly suspect that will be LA. And if it's close, now that he'll have an opportunity to play on an LA team that should win close to as many games as the Red Sox, it's very possible he starts to consider LA his new home so that if the two offers were close it's no longer a slam dunk he'd choose Boston over LA. Before the trade my feeling was that if he reached free agency as a Red Sox and the Sox and another team offered very similar deals, he'd take the Red Sox' offer. I never really believed that he was hellbent on leaving Boston. I think he just didn't want to take a hometown discount, which I don't think there's anything wrong with him feeling that way. It's nice for fans and team building when players do that, but they don't necessarily have to and given his status among the elite players of the game, guys like that can feel the pressure to set the market. I'm absolutely not shocked that you believe all that because there is never a time when you don't expect the worst. I'll wait and see what happens and hope for the best. From everything that Mookie has ever said throughout his entire career, he'll be just as open to signing with the Red Sox as any other team, whether he's on the Red Sox or any other team when he signs. You must think he's a liar. Dude, I'm sure if somebody suggested that Mookie was going to be traded you'd have crapped all over them. Guess what man, the Sox dealt him and it's highly debatable they got anywhere near enough for him. What is so damn positive about that? Why the hell should I believe that Mookie is coming back? Because we're Red Sox fans so therefore he's definitely coming back? Sorry man, I don't do blind faith, particularly when there's little evidence to do so.
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Post by nomar on Feb 6, 2020 14:37:05 GMT -5
So you believe there was a realistic deal that we could have offered and he would have accepted this offseason? Because if not, then it’s a defensible decision to trade him and get value back rather than risk getting nothing next year. If he really cared about staying here he could have negotiated something before he hit free agency. It’s so easy for him to say “oh I would have stayed” when there’s no proving him wrong. So no, I’m not going to take anything he says about that at face value. No, there was never a deal to sign Mookie before now and there still isn't in LA. My only position is that the Red Sox can still re-sign him in 9 months. There is no indication that the Red Sox wouldn't be major players and there's no indication that he wouldn't want to come back. I hope you’re right!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 6, 2020 14:39:41 GMT -5
No. He'll go to the highest bidder and I strongly suspect that will be LA. And if it's close, now that he'll have an opportunity to play on an LA team that should win close to as many games as the Red Sox, it's very possible he starts to consider LA his new home so that if the two offers were close it's no longer a slam dunk he'd choose Boston over LA. Before the trade my feeling was that if he reached free agency as a Red Sox and the Sox and another team offered very similar deals, he'd take the Red Sox' offer. I never really believed that he was hellbent on leaving Boston. I think he just didn't want to take a hometown discount, which I don't think there's anything wrong with him feeling that way. It's nice for fans and team building when players do that, but they don't necessarily have to and given his status among the elite players of the game, guys like that can feel the pressure to set the market. I'm absolutely not shocked that you believe all that because there is never a time when you don't expect the worst. I'll wait and see what happens and hope for the best. From everything that Mookie has ever said throughout his entire career, he'll be just as open to signing with the Red Sox as any other team, whether he's on the Red Sox or any other team when he signs. You must think he's a liar. And if the Sox do sign Mookie I'll do cartwheels and say, hey jimed, you were right and I was wrong. Awesome. My ego isn't too big to say, Hey I was wrong. You on the other hand, I'm still waiting for you to say, whoops I guess I was wrong about Cole. The Yankees actually did sign him because when I said he was perfect for them I got your typical attitude. Normally I'm not into scoreboard watching on who's right/who's wrong (we're all wrong quite alot, but some of us have trouble saying it) but that seems to very much be your thing.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2020 14:41:03 GMT -5
Why the hell should I believe that Mookie is coming back? Because we're Red Sox fans so therefore he's definitely coming back? Sorry man, I don't do blind faith, particularly when there's little evidence to do so. Every player says they want to stay with their team, largely as a matter of convenience. I'm always shocked by how much faith people have in those statements.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 6, 2020 14:41:14 GMT -5
I'm absolutely not shocked that you believe all that because there is never a time when you don't expect the worst. I'll wait and see what happens and hope for the best. From everything that Mookie has ever said throughout his entire career, he'll be just as open to signing with the Red Sox as any other team, whether he's on the Red Sox or any other team when he signs. You must think he's a liar. I am the first to say if the Sox’s starting OF in 2021 is Beni, Betts, and Verdugo, this is a win. But that’s the only scenario I like it. Well, upgrading from JBJ to Verdugo would certainly be a great win.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 6, 2020 14:43:58 GMT -5
Why the hell should I believe that Mookie is coming back? Because we're Red Sox fans so therefore he's definitely coming back? Sorry man, I don't do blind faith, particularly when there's little evidence to do so. Every player says they want to stay with their team, largely as a matter of convenience. I'm always shocked by how much faith people have in those statements. Perhaps. It's hard to know for sure but sometimes you can get a sense of whether a player enjoys being on his team or not. I mean, did David Price, ever feel like more than a mercenary. That guy was miserable. Contrast that with a guy like Brock Holt, who you can tell bleed Boston red. With Mookie, I'll take him at his word, despite what some people on this board think. He could be telling us what we want to hear, but I don't get the sense that Mookie is phony or anything like that. Guarded, yes, but genuine. He said he wanted to test the market. I believe him. That's exactly what he's doing, exactly what he said he would.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 6, 2020 15:19:05 GMT -5
Every player says they want to stay with their team, largely as a matter of convenience. I'm always shocked by how much faith people have in those statements. Perhaps. It's hard to know for sure but sometimes you can get a sense of whether a player enjoys being on his team or not. I mean, did David Price, ever feel like more than a mercenary. That guy was miserable. Contrast that with a guy like Brock Holt, who you can tell bleed Boston red. With Mookie, I'll take him at his word, despite what some people on this board think. He could be telling us what we want to hear, but I don't get the sense that Mookie is phony or anything like that. Guarded, yes, but genuine. He said he wanted to test the market. I believe him. That's exactly what he's doing, exactly what he said he would. But somehow you believe that he's going to fall in love with LA and the Dodgers won't have any competition in signing him? That he says he wants to test the market works in the Red Sox' favor now that he's in LA. Absolutely nothing has changed in regards to where Mookie will be playing in 2021 if you believe what he has always said. Your evidence that the Red Sox won't pay him is that they refused handing him a blank check.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 6, 2020 15:21:20 GMT -5
I'm absolutely not shocked that you believe all that because there is never a time when you don't expect the worst. I'll wait and see what happens and hope for the best. From everything that Mookie has ever said throughout his entire career, he'll be just as open to signing with the Red Sox as any other team, whether he's on the Red Sox or any other team when he signs. You must think he's a liar. And if the Sox do sign Mookie I'll do cartwheels and say, hey jimed, you were right and I was wrong. Awesome. My ego isn't too big to say, Hey I was wrong. You on the other hand, I'm still waiting for you to say, whoops I guess I was wrong about Cole. The Yankees actually did sign him because when I said he was perfect for them I got your typical attitude. Normally I'm not into scoreboard watching on who's right/who's wrong (we're all wrong quite alot, but some of us have trouble saying it) but that seems to very much be your thing. I was wrong about Cole. But that was about the 8th top end guy that the Yankees were obviously signing or trading for.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 6, 2020 15:37:54 GMT -5
Perhaps. It's hard to know for sure but sometimes you can get a sense of whether a player enjoys being on his team or not. I mean, did David Price, ever feel like more than a mercenary. That guy was miserable. Contrast that with a guy like Brock Holt, who you can tell bleed Boston red. With Mookie, I'll take him at his word, despite what some people on this board think. He could be telling us what we want to hear, but I don't get the sense that Mookie is phony or anything like that. Guarded, yes, but genuine. He said he wanted to test the market. I believe him. That's exactly what he's doing, exactly what he said he would. But somehow you believe that he's going to fall in love with LA and the Dodgers won't have any competition in signing him? That he says he wants to test the market works in the Red Sox' favor now that he's in LA. Absolutely nothing has changed in regards to where Mookie will be playing in 2021 if you believe what he has always said. Your evidence that the Red Sox won't pay him is that they refused handing him a blank check. I never said that Mookie wouldn't go back to the Red Sox if they were the highest bidder. All I said was that in the past had the Sox and another team been close I think he would have gone back to the Sox because I believe him when he said it feels like home for him. It's not unreasonable to think that he might actually enjoy his new home. It's not like they shipped him off the Marlins. So now if it comes down to the Sox and the Dodgers having virtually equal packages it's not necessarily a slam dunk he's going to Boston. Don't think I said anything that outrageous there. And as far as the Red Sox go, I don't think they will pony up the dough for him. I do believe the Dodgers will do everything in their power to keep him. There are no other free agents next season that would override their desire to bring him back either. The Dodgers have a ton of payroll flexibility and can give Mookie crazy money. I don't think the Red Sox will extend that far and that counting on them to do so is nothing more than a wish. I know, because I have that wish, but that doesn't make it so. If I'm wrong I'll be thrilled to say, Hey JimEd, I never thought the Sox would go that far to get their guy! Awesome. I honestly don't think a team that has the intention of signing Mookie would trade him away and piss off the majority of their fanbase and severely diminish their team's ability to make the playoffs this year. I'd like to think they punted this season with the plan to bring Mookie back with Verdugo and mystery players to be determined in the fold while getting out from underneath the tax. But more likely in my opinion, the numbers got too high for them and they don't want to wade that deep in those waters, so no, I'm not counting on Mookie coming back and while I wish it, I won't anticipate it or expect it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 6, 2020 15:39:07 GMT -5
And if the Sox do sign Mookie I'll do cartwheels and say, hey jimed, you were right and I was wrong. Awesome. My ego isn't too big to say, Hey I was wrong. You on the other hand, I'm still waiting for you to say, whoops I guess I was wrong about Cole. The Yankees actually did sign him because when I said he was perfect for them I got your typical attitude. Normally I'm not into scoreboard watching on who's right/who's wrong (we're all wrong quite alot, but some of us have trouble saying it) but that seems to very much be your thing. I was wrong about Cole. But that was about the 8th top end guy that the Yankees were obviously signing or trading for. Ok, so your batting average is only about .900. Gotcha.
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Post by fenwaymabe on Feb 6, 2020 17:21:21 GMT -5
I hate the trade period. Not because of the return, but because we had to go down this road at all. To me it's silly to think that in a market like Boston that we should have to be counting pennies and treating the CBT as a salary cap. Sure, it's better to be under it than over it for multiple reasons but the fact of the matter is that number pertains to the team salary at season's end. I think that if we waited until the trade deadline we could have done just as good if not better. I don't understand the harm in waiting until July to asses where the team is at and then make a decision accordingly. I know playoff fever does crazy things to teams (Chapman to Chicago) and I'm not so sure that there wouldn't be a better offer out there from some team or teams that feel they are 1 big bat or 1 reliable starter away from getting over the hump. Mookie is a world class talent that is going to get paid-that much is for sure. Plus, with the price of starting pitching continuing to rise, I'm sure that there wouldn't be a problem finding a taker for Price if we were paying down half of his salary. Just look at what lottery ticket arms have gotten in free agency the last couple of off seasons with 1 year pillow type contracts (approx 8 to 12 million). If I'm a contender, I'd much rather have a battle tested Price at 16 mil per than a Matt Harvey or Kyle Gibson type at 11 mil plus. Say what you want about Price but he's got 46 wins against 24 losses during his time in Boston. This whole situation reminds me of the Lester negotiations. I find it hard to believe that a team with the resources that the Sox have at their disposal couldn't have reached an accord with Mookie, especially if they were operating in good faith. I suspect that they entered negotiations with the expectation that he would take a deep hometown discount to stay and Mookie was looking for something closer to fair market value. I guess I'm just blowing off steam, but a talent like Mookie doesn't come along that often and the thought of him wearing another uniform really makes me sad.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Feb 7, 2020 14:53:33 GMT -5
I'm just saying you can like your job and still want to earn more. In this industry, the job is exactly the same regardless of the company you work for. So in this case, salary mattered more than who he worked for. Totally defensible, but it’s a business decision on the side of both Mookie and the Red Sox. I’m not saying he hated Boston, I’m just saying he cared most about the money and clearly liked the idea of LA + Free Agency more than Staying + giving BOS a contract $ target for them to agree to It sounds like you two are just aggressively agreeing with each other. Yes it’s a very slight disagreement lol This post gave me a good laugh with the aggressively agreeing stuff. Anyways, Mookie is definitely a tough one to figure out. On one hand who wouldn't want to maximize money. I have always wondered if there was a line money wise though....meaning I would leave my job for an extra $50k (bunch of money to most), but is it the same when you are offered $30 mil pushing for $40? IMO, I couldn't care less if I won $300 million of a $400 million dollar pot lol. I have questioned if Betts has truely liked Boston for awhile now. He is the type that hates all the attention that a superstar gets around here. This is why I don't think he will enjoy LA either. He will have to deal with it in one way or another because it's not like Miami will go for him, but he may enjoy SD or something. We all hope that he would reconsider signing after the season, but who knows. This situation says a lot about a person as well. You would think that if a player REALLY loves his team then he would not push to handcuff them. Like Brady, taking less money allows the team more flexibility which in turn makes a better roster. Then from that is a better chance to win it all, and be competitive long term. Then again Betts doesn't have a Gisele sitting at home making millions as well lol.
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Post by brendan98 on Feb 7, 2020 16:29:29 GMT -5
Reports over the years have been that the Sox have approached Mookie about signing a long term deal and came away under the impression that Mookie wanted to play out his rookie deal and get to free agency. Without being privy to conversations between Sox management and Mookie and his representation, one can only assume that if Mookie is willing to forego significant long term financial security to get to free agency the reason would be either because he wished to play somewhere else or he wished to maximize the amount money he’d make in his next contract. If the Sox got the impression that Mookie was only going to re-sign if the Sox were the highest bidder at the end of the season, than I agree with their decision to trade him. I think Mookie is a top 5 player in baseball, I think Mookie has a lot of value, even moreso than just the value his baseball ability brings to an organization, however I am not a proponent of handing him a blank check. The Sox have given out a lot of bad deals over the years, paying big and long money for little and short production, too many of these types of deals and it cripples an organization. I’d love for the Sox to keep Mookie around, and I’m sure the Sox feel the same way as he is a face of the franchise type player, but if Mookie actually did turn down 10 years $300M which has been reported, I can honestly say that I’m not in favor of just going up from there in terms of years and dollars until Mookie finally says yes, and I’m not in favor of him reaching free agency next year as a Red Sox only to have to outbid the rest of MLB to overpay him for the next decade plus. You can say what you want about the return that the Sox got or will get when the deal is finally completed, I’m sure we all think that they should/could have done better, but I have no reason to believe that Bloom didn’t take the best offer that he got.
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