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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2020 21:08:42 GMT -5
If they already know they can sign him at well-below slot, this may be brilliant. They may have been the only team (so far) to figure out the unique dynamics of this draft.
It gives them massive money to spend on round 3 to 5, where they can grab guys who are facing not being drafted at all, which is a terrible outcome. Think of this as their 3rd round pick, with the idea of getting as many as three 2nd-round talents tomorrow.
Or you have the #17 overall and you put all the eggs in that basket (Crow-Armstrong who projects to be an MLB regular and plus defender with the ceiling of a star, say, or Sabato, who has as many positions as Yorke and 70 power, etc.) and do signability guys a 3-5. I’m not a fan of Bloom’s strategy. in a messed up draft like this I would get 17 right. The rest have more than 87% chances of being be org guys. Or less. Unless there’s a Max Scherzer who said he absolutely won’t sign from less than $3mil and they tag him in the 3rd round and give him that. Which I don’t see. I hate this strategy. It’s like playing for one run. That’s all you’re gonna get - if that - when you do.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 10, 2020 21:14:40 GMT -5
Reminds me of last yr with Cannon when we all thought it was a reach and must be an underslot deal only to see they paid him full slot. I bet Yorke gets paid over 2 million and we are all scratching our heads again this yr Cannon signed for >$400K underslot, allowing them to nab Matthew Lugo with the last pick in the 2nd round despite Lugo being projected to go in the 1st round by several outlets.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 10, 2020 21:18:21 GMT -5
Jeez, certainly not the pick I was expecting.
I was kind of kidding when I said watch them pick somebody we never heard of.
I guess they would have gone with Abel if the Phillies hadn't swooped in, so I suppose that changed their strategy?
I mean, I was anticipating Garrett Mitchell (at that point, that's who I was hoping they'd draft) or Nick Bitsko (who I thought they had drafted when I hear the name Nick being announced). Or maybe even the 2nd best catcher in the draft or PCA. But I wasn't anticipating a guy who most likely winds up at 2b (hope I'm wrong about that).
I get that his bat is good.
I'm not going to say that he's a bad pick, etc., but Bloom had better be right about this pick, because if he's wrong and the Sox don't reel in some major talent tomorrow (tougher to do without a 2nd round pick), then basically he's picked a bat first 2b which is nice, but they've already done that with Cannon last year (although who knows if he pans out at this point?) - I mean Tampa, one of their division rivals, might just have picked up a future top of the rotation type starter in Bitsko, or somebody with that ceiling, which the Sox kind of lack in their own system with Groome having not established himself.
The Red Sox can't afford for this pick to backfire on them or we'll be talking about Vitek or Ball all over again (probably more Vitek than Ball), and the Sox would fall behind even further in the division going forward into the future.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 10, 2020 21:20:05 GMT -5
They showed a graphic that the Red Sox have produced more WAR (76+) over the past five drafts than any other team. That’s probably gonna change. Last year’s draft sucked. We thought it at the time and it looks to be true.
The Sox have done well drafting tough to sign guys. Actually, they’ve done well drafting, period. But they need a big day tomorrow because they probably aren’t getting much from last year’s draft and Yorke is gonna have to hit a ton because he doesn’t project to do much else.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 10, 2020 21:23:53 GMT -5
They showed a graphic that the Red Sox have produced more WAR (76+) over the past five drafts than any other team. That’s probably gonna change. Last year’s draft sucked. We thought it at the time and it looks to be true. The Sox have done well drafting tough to sign guys. Actually, they’ve done well drafting, period. But they need a big day tomorrow because they probably aren’t getting much from last year’s draft and Yorke is gonna have to hit a ton because he doesn’t project to do much else. Let's hope he's the next Pedroia. All I know is that while I was disappointed - had my heart set on Abel - had visions of him being that TOR starter the Sox lack in their system (had the same visions for Groome four years ago too), but with everything that has happened this year, it is really great to talk 2020 baseball as there has been absolutely no baseball to talk about and this might be it - as it's quite possible we get no baseball in 2020.
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 10, 2020 21:24:31 GMT -5
Just just damn it!
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jun 10, 2020 21:30:38 GMT -5
Red sox scouting director Paul Toboni said they compare Yorke to Kevin Youkikis and see him long term as a 2nd basemen. Either way, to me, that's not a player you take at 17 overall. Limited defensively and lower ceiling. Bitsko could have been our top pitching prospect as a 17 yr old with a huge ceiling and guys like PCA, Soderstrom, or even Tucker have higher ceilings, more tools, and play more premium positions... I'm hoping for some high ceiling HS picks tomorrow
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 10, 2020 21:34:11 GMT -5
What is going to be left at 89 and after that?
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Post by philarhody on Jun 10, 2020 21:34:43 GMT -5
Red sox scouting director Paul Taboni said they compare Yorke to Kevin Youkikis and see him long term as a 2nd basemen. Either way, to me, that's not a player you take at 17 overall. Limited defensively and lower ceiling. Bitsko could have been our top pitching prospect as a 17 yr old with a huge ceiling and guys like PCA, Soderstrom, or even Tucker have higher ceilings, more tools, and play more premium positions... I'm hoping for some high ceiling HS picks tomorrow The idea is that they will save money on Yorke so that they can get your high ceiling picks tomorrow.
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Post by nomar on Jun 10, 2020 21:37:23 GMT -5
Who is this Jessica Mendoza and why is she on my television? Have you not watched ESPN broadcasts for the last few years?
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Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2020 21:38:56 GMT -5
After my initial gnashing of teeth, and if they do in fact save a large chunk of money here, I guess it's not a horrible strategy. If they didn't like anybody who wanted slot at 17, mix it up and change 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round talents into 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, and 4th round talents? Maybe better depending on just how much they will save here. ...and that might be conservative...we'll see. I think they have a chance to land 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, and 3rd round talents. Names please.
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Post by chr31ter on Jun 10, 2020 21:39:32 GMT -5
Vanderbilt Head Coach Tim Corbin just now on MLB Network: "Nick Yorke wasn't a surprise to me. We really recruited that kid. I thought he was the best hitter in High School baseball. This is a kid that has extreme hit skill, he's strong, he hits with no batter's gloves. He's a baseball player."
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 10, 2020 21:39:56 GMT -5
He’s going to give all the money to Robby Ashford And sign him away from his two way ride to Oklahoma State...17, 6’4 220 lbs with 70 speed and hope he figures out the hitting thing. Probably not..but that would be kind of fun but likely end badly.
I was pretty pumped about the Abel rumors, he was my semi realistic Target from the get go and it sounded like they might have had a shot Heading into the day. Hoping for Isiah Greene and two upside pitchers tomorrow.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 10, 2020 21:40:17 GMT -5
Hey maybe JT Ginn at 89?
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Post by wildsox on Jun 10, 2020 21:41:53 GMT -5
I don't know much about Yorke so I won't judge him.
What I'm wondering about is why another middle infielder.. We just traded fro Downs and drafted Cannon and Lugo with our first 2 picks last year.
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Post by caseytins on Jun 10, 2020 21:44:10 GMT -5
I don't know much about Yorke so I won't judge him. What I'm wondering about is why another middle infielder.. We just traded fro Downs and drafted Cannon and Lugo with our first 2 picks last year. You draft for value, not position. Especially in 2020.
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Post by caseytins on Jun 10, 2020 21:47:29 GMT -5
He's a much better athlete than the super-jew!!
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 10, 2020 21:49:02 GMT -5
It does not seem like the Red Sox just came with this recently they have targeted him for a while now. For the Scouting Director to be at his early games and them working him out privately in Dec it seems like he was a priority follow for them. We can disagree all we want but this is why they get paid the big bucks and we are just keyboard warriors. They have conviction on this guy and I love that, maybe they’ll look foolish in a year or maybe look like geniuses we’ll find out.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jun 10, 2020 21:54:02 GMT -5
Also a little concerned after Jonathan Mayo said that he will be limited to 2B due to shoulder injury concerns and anchors in his shoulder holding it together. Hopefully not a long-term issue. Why not just overdraft someone with helium like Tucker, Soderstrom, or Bitsko and save a little money? Mlbtraderumors says Soderstrom has already agreed to a deal w the A's
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Post by chr31ter on Jun 10, 2020 22:00:55 GMT -5
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Post by wildsox on Jun 10, 2020 22:01:02 GMT -5
I don't know much about Yorke so I won't judge him. What I'm wondering about is why another middle infielder.. We just traded fro Downs and drafted Cannon and Lugo with our first 2 picks last year. You draft for value, not position. Especially in 2020. I agree. I believe in the best player available mindset also. But he wasn't the best player on the board. His value is largely tied to who we can get tomorrow which is a risk. Definitely willing to wait until we've made all our picks and see how it plays out
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jun 10, 2020 22:05:05 GMT -5
Would love Kevin Parada or Blaze Jordan but it's a big risk to hope they fall to 89 overall
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Jun 10, 2020 22:08:09 GMT -5
Bleacher Report "First Round (No. 17 Overall): Nick Yorke, 2B, Archbishop Mitty High School (CA)
In order to be a legitimate draft prospect as a high school second baseman, a player has to have significant offensive upside. Yorke offers that with a 55-grade hit tool that ranks among the best in this year's high school class and some present power in his 6'0", 200-pound frame.
Shoulder surgery during his junior season robbed him of what was once solid arm strength, and he has slid down the defensive spectrum as a result. That puts a ton of pressure on his bat, and with that comes some obvious risk.
Grade: D-
The Red Sox don't pick again until No. 89 overall, and most expected them to take a risk on a high school player as a result. But this pick was completely off the board. Yorke checked in outside the top 90 prospects on Baseball America (96) and MLB.com (139). He'll have to sign well-below-slot, and they'll have to come away with a couple of steals on Day 2 for this to make a lick of sense."
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Post by ramireja on Jun 10, 2020 22:09:11 GMT -5
...and that might be conservative...we'll see. I think they have a chance to land 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, and 3rd round talents. Names please. Best players available - Day 2
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Post by alnipper on Jun 10, 2020 22:10:20 GMT -5
A risk they could afford to take. Do the Sox usually pick this high in the draft? Our they punishing themselves for stealing signs? Lol I know he was not BPA they could sign at slot on their own boards. "industry was higher on him" Which industry is that? I hope he works out.
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