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Post by Coreno on Jun 11, 2020 20:23:50 GMT -5
Wu-Yelland should be another under slot guy, right? Do they just throw all the money they have left at a signability guy and if he says no they only lose 300K of the bonus pool?
After that, all that's left to see is how the UDFA plays out.
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 11, 2020 20:25:54 GMT -5
Hey I get it, I’m just a fan not an internal scout, probably an overreaction on my part. But would we all agree on at least one thing, even with the it only being 5 rounds, and the loss of a second pick, this is a slightly, kinda, interesting strategy and result?
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Post by kman22 on Jun 11, 2020 20:26:25 GMT -5
That 2024 starting staff is going to be expensive. CB hasn't brought a SP prospect to town yet. He didn't in the MB trade or in this draft. Our two best are Groome and Mata, neither of whom profiles as a front-of-the-rotation guy. I was thrilled to hold onto that 1st round pick because I thought CB would turn it into a SP. Instead, it's a HS 2B. If this season happens, would be interesting to see if Barnes and Workman become trade bait to help rebuild that part of the system. Next year also (presumably) offers a more typical draft process, maybe that's when we see pitching come into focus.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 11, 2020 20:31:25 GMT -5
Kiley just said on ESPN that he expects the Red Sox to save between $500k - $1 million on Nick Yorke I hope they can save this much on Jorden too. Otherwise, they could’ve gotten Sabato in the first round who has as much power, a much better hit tool and as just little mobility as this guy.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 11, 2020 20:32:22 GMT -5
Kiley just said on ESPN that he expects the Red Sox to save between $500k - $1 million on Nick Yorke I hope they can save this much on Jorden too. Otherwise, they could’ve gotten Sabato in the first round who has as much power, a much better hit tool and as just little mobility as this guy. They're not saving anything on Jordan, he's going way overslot
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 11, 2020 20:32:53 GMT -5
That 2024 starting staff is going to be expensive. CB hasn't brought a SP prospect to town yet. He didn't in the MB trade or in this draft. Our two best are Groome and Mata, neither of whom profiles as a front-of-the-rotation guy. I was thrilled to hold onto that 1st round pick because I thought CB would turn it into a SP. Instead, it's a HS 2B. If this season happens, would be interesting to see if Barnes and Workman become trade bait to help rebuild that part of the system. Next year also (presumably) offers a more typical draft process, maybe that's when we see pitching come into focus. Maybe Workman. Barnes isn't a FA until after 2021. I'm thinking maybe JDM, too. His contract was front-loaded, which means he'll already have made the biggest money. He might opt out after this year. The problem is that with such a short season, it'll be hard for a team to declare itself out of the race and start selling. And if you do, your buyers will know they're getting some very short-term assets. I mean how much WAR can a reliever like Workman provide to a team in, let's say, 30 games?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 11, 2020 20:33:24 GMT -5
Jesus, nobody, somebody, nobody.....5th pick up..?.I GET strategy and the undetslot stuff.....but Jesus If I remember correctly, Betts was just such a nobody.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 11, 2020 20:34:20 GMT -5
Kiley just said on ESPN that he expects the Red Sox to save between $500k - $1 million on Nick Yorke I hope they can save this much on Jorden too. Otherwise, they could’ve gotten Sabato in the first round who has as much power, a much better hit tool and as just little mobility as this guy. Dude what are you even talking about. Slot at the pick is $667,900.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 11, 2020 20:35:59 GMT -5
Jesus, nobody, somebody, nobody.....5th pick up..?.I GET strategy and the undetslot stuff.....but Jesus If I remember correctly, Betts was just such a nobody. Guys we didn't care about, last two years: Chris Murphy, Thad Ward, Jarren Duran. Free your minds and admit we don't know jack about these guys, my friends. It's so much more freeing!
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 11, 2020 20:37:17 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Betts was just such a nobody. Guys we didn't care about, last two years: Chris Murphy, Thad Ward, Jarren Duran. Free your minds and admit we don't know jack about these guys, my friends. It's so much more freeing! It's truly amazing how many first round busts and late round gems the Sox have had and continue to have yet people STILL scrutinize based off of one ranking like it's a death knell.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 11, 2020 20:39:50 GMT -5
discussion on these pix is great and people should voice their opinions, but lets be honest, there is a lot of ego going on here. Chaim spent years building a pesky, pain in the ass club down in Tampa. He walked into a firestorm, losing a valuable draft asset.
He then is trying to make the best out of that situation and is employing an irregular strategy. It makes it interesting. We all know just how hard it is to draft and develop as it is. I am gonna give him some props here and hope we get one dang major league guy out of this...which in the end....is a great outcome when you have only 4 picks.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 11, 2020 20:41:01 GMT -5
I would love one more high upside pick
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Post by cdj on Jun 11, 2020 20:41:55 GMT -5
There’s differences of like 130 and 60 between the high and low rankings from major publications of the Sox first two picks
Basically what I’m trying to say is the rankings mean jack shit
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Post by cdj on Jun 11, 2020 20:42:50 GMT -5
discussion on these pix is great and people should voice their opinions, but lets be honest, there is a lot of ego going on here. Chaim spent years building a pesky, pain in the ass club down in Tampa. He walked into a firestorm, losing a valuable draft asset. He then is trying to make the best out of that situation and is employing an irregular strategy. It makes it interesting. We all know just how hard it is to draft and develop as it is. I am gonna give him some props here and hope we get one dang major league guy out of this...which in the end....is a great outcome when you have only 4 picks. If there was ever a year to be unorthodox this would be the one
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jun 11, 2020 20:43:56 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Betts was just such a nobody. Guys we didn't care about, last two years: Chris Murphy, Thad Ward, Jarren Duran. Free your minds and admit we don't know jack about these guys, my friends. It's so much more freeing! Listen buddy, when a publication that I only care about one week a year and that I don't subscribe too tells me that the 18 year old I just heard about is the 137th best player, I believe it.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 11, 2020 20:44:37 GMT -5
Guys we didn't care about, last two years: Chris Murphy, Thad Ward, Jarren Duran. Free your minds and admit we don't know jack about these guys, my friends. It's so much more freeing! It's truly amazing how many first round busts and late round gems the Sox have had and continue to have yet people STILL scrutinize based off of one ranking like it's a death knell. C'mon, Chris, we clearly have more knowledgeable scouts on this board than are employed by the Red Sox.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 11, 2020 20:48:08 GMT -5
As was just pointed out, there's a lot of volatility in these selections. You only have to examine success rates to figure that out. We really don't have much of an idea of who will make it to the majors and how they'll do when they get there. There's a lot of attrition in the minors, as they're currently structured.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 11, 2020 20:48:49 GMT -5
discussion on these pix is great and people should voice their opinions, but lets be honest, there is a lot of ego going on here. Chaim spent years building a pesky, pain in the ass club down in Tampa. He walked into a firestorm, losing a valuable draft asset. He then is trying to make the best out of that situation and is employing an irregular strategy. It makes it interesting. We all know just how hard it is to draft and develop as it is. I am gonna give him some props here and hope we get one dang major league guy out of this...which in the end....is a great outcome when you have only 4 picks. Comment not directed at jerry specifically, but people always give the GM (or PBOPS or CBO or whatever) way too much credit when it comes to the draft. The Red Sox have been scouting these guys for 3 years or more. It would not surprise me if Bloom has never seen Yorke or Wu-Yelland in person, and probably not even Jordan. He certainly would help with draft strategy, but this isn't a situation where Bloom comes in and says "listen, guys, what you've been doing is great, but here's how we're going to do the draft this year..." There's a reason the media call tonight is with Paul Toboni and not Chaim Bloom. Toboni is the one leading the charge on this, especially the later we get in the draft.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 11, 2020 20:51:13 GMT -5
This is the worst Red Sox draft since last year.
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Post by kman22 on Jun 11, 2020 20:57:19 GMT -5
This is the worst Red Sox draft since last year. Seriously. They've drafted a bunch of amateurs.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 11, 2020 20:57:52 GMT -5
This is the worst Red Sox draft since last year. I lean the other way. This is by far the best draft we've had all year.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 11, 2020 21:02:32 GMT -5
Guys we didn't care about, last two years: Chris Murphy, Thad Ward, Jarren Duran. Free your minds and admit we don't know jack about these guys, my friends. It's so much more freeing! I love 'ya, Chris and you run a great site. But your own site's evaluation of the two P's you named concludes they have the ceiling of a back-end starters if they continue to improve. What org doesn't have potential back-end SP candidates? I was hoping for a potential impact SP in this draft. The Phils screwed us by taking Abel. I don't think the RS would have passed on him. Someone upthread pointed out that you don't draft for need. I get that. But I also think it's important for the organization to break this long dry spell of not drafting/internationally signing and then developing an impact SP. Signing SP on the FA market is terribly inefficient. Invariably, you're going to end up with some major sunk costs. We're on the hook for $60 million/year for Sale, Price and Eovoldi. If there's a 2021 season and Eo matches his best season, we'll get a grand total of 2.3 WAR, plus whatever little Sale is able to contribute in two months or so of pitching, for that $60 million.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 11, 2020 21:04:24 GMT -5
Guys we didn't care about, last two years: Chris Murphy, Thad Ward, Jarren Duran. Free your minds and admit we don't know jack about these guys, my friends. It's so much more freeing! I love 'ya, Chris and you run a great site. But your own site's evaluation of the two P's you named concludes they have the ceiling of a back-starter if they continue to improve. What org doesn't have potential back-end SP candidates? I was hoping for a potential impact SP in this draft. The Phils screwed us by taking Abel. I don't think the RS would have passed on him. Someone upthread pointed out that you don't draft for need. I get that. But I also think it's important for the organization to break this long dry spell of not drafting/internationally signing and then developing an impact SP. Signing SP on the FA market is terribly inefficient. Invariably, you're going to end up with some major sunk costs. We're on the hook for $60 million/year for Sale, Price and Eovoldi. If there's a 2021 season and Eo matches his best season, we'll get a grand total of 2.3 WAR, plus whatever little Sale is able to contribute in two months or so of pitching, for that $60 million. There are only a handful of guys in every draft that project at draft time to be better than back-end starter candidates, and I'd say all but.... maybe 2 of them were gone by 17. Name someone other than Kelley or Bitsko who you think would've been an impact starting pitcher prospect that was available past 17.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 11, 2020 21:06:14 GMT -5
If you guys want to see a "chalk" draft, go look at the Cubs' draft. You'd probably have to take out Nwogu and switch him with an underslot guy since without a second we wouldn't get Callaway, who represents the savings, but that's pretty much drafting along the status quo and honestly I don't think it looks that much better than the Red Sox's draft, but I'm also pretty low on Howard.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 11, 2020 21:07:29 GMT -5
Sox up in 5 picks.
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