|
Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 14, 2021 8:34:37 GMT -5
They waited too long on him, by all indications he had a good showing. That means his numbers and years just went up all while he has more interest. Bloom's been operating under the assumption of not overpaying for his free agents now your in a position that you would have to beat other offers for his services. I don't like the chances of the red sox signing him. Lmao, so say they'd signed him 2 months ago before seeing him throw, and then he came out with a Tim Wakefield fastball...How would you feel about Bloom then
|
|
|
Post by unitspin on Jan 14, 2021 8:47:39 GMT -5
They waited too long on him, by all indications he had a good showing. That means his numbers and years just went up all while he has more interest. Bloom's been operating under the assumption of not overpaying for his free agents now your in a position that you would have to beat other offers for his services. I don't like the chances of the red sox signing him. Lmao, so say they'd signed him 2 months ago before seeing him throw, and then he came out with a Tim Wakefield fastball...How would you feel about Bloom then Incentive based contracts tend to cover the impact of what would be considered a poor free agent signing. I feel fine about Bloom now so I doubt my opinion would change much taking a chance on a lottery ticket pitcher.
|
|
|
Post by soxaddict on Jan 14, 2021 9:24:57 GMT -5
Lmao, so say they'd signed him 2 months ago before seeing him throw, and then he came out with a Tim Wakefield fastball...How would you feel about Bloom then Incentive based contracts tend to cover the impact of what would be considered a poor free agent signing. I feel fine about Bloom now so I doubt my opinion would change much taking a chance on a lottery ticket pitcher. Kluber wasn’t signing before yesterday’s showcase. I expect him to have plenty of one year offers in the $10M - $12M range. I’ll be shocked if Boston isn’t at the top of the list. Huge upside. Imagine the return at the All-Star break if Kluber is pitching well and the Sox are out of it. Or even better, if they can sign him to a one year deal with an option or two at something like $14M and $16M. Sale comes back healthy and Erod throwing good. Still could possibly add Odorizzi. That’s a formidable rotation if all works out. A lot of big if’s but Boston is probably in the best shape to take on such risks.
|
|
ericmvan
Veteran
Supposed to be working on something more important
Posts: 8,926
|
Post by ericmvan on Jan 14, 2021 12:31:05 GMT -5
In today's Globe Julian McWilliams buries in the final paragraph the fact that the Klubers live in Winchester, where Amanda grew up, in the off-season.
They have 3 kids and have been married for 10 or 11 years, so 2 of them are presumably in school.
They started a foundation to help families with sick kids.
What's the dollar value to a guy like that of being able to come home every night to your kids from April to June, and September and October, plus not having to move the family for the summer?
Hmm ... since 2001 only 3 franchises have won the WS more than once (altough they have 10 of the 20!). The Sox are of course the team that's won the most and (easily) the most recently. They're also been 3rd in baseball in revenue and value despite playing in the 8th biggest market ... this should get done quickly.
|
|
|
Post by orion09 on Jan 14, 2021 13:32:05 GMT -5
In today's Globe Julian McWilliams buries in the final paragraph the fact that the Klubers live in Winchester, where Amanda grew up, in the off-season.
They have 3 kids and have been married for 10 or 11 years, so 2 of them are presumably in school.
They started a foundation to help families with sick kids.
What's the dollar value to a guy like that of being able to come home every night to your kids from April to June, and September and October, plus not having to move the family for the summer?
Hmm ... since 2001 only 3 franchises have won the WS more than once (altough they have 10 of the 20!). The Sox are of course the team that's won the most and (easily) the most recently. They're also been 3rd in baseball in revenue and value despite playing in the 8th biggest market ... this should get done quickly.
Assuming the Sox like the peripherals and the price.
|
|
|
Post by Addam603 on Jan 14, 2021 15:28:12 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by unitspin on Jan 14, 2021 18:43:55 GMT -5
My money is on kluber going for the team that throws the most money at him. He unlike his similar peers has never gotten the big money deals. This could be his last cash grab. I'm not getting my hopes up just like I didn't with Morton too many better options for these guys when the red sox do not pay a premium.
|
|
|
Post by ematz1423 on Jan 14, 2021 18:47:52 GMT -5
My money is on kluber going for the team that throws the most money at him. He unlike his similar peers has never gotten the big money deals. This could be his last cash grab. I'm not getting my hopes up just like I didn't with Morton too many better options for these guys when the red sox do not pay a premium. As Eric points out though if the sox aren't the highest bidder but are close enough in value to the highest bidder the proximity to his family could add enough extra value in klubers mind to choose the Sox. Sounds like we'll know soon though, it'll be interesting.
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,794
|
Post by nomar on Jan 14, 2021 19:57:03 GMT -5
My money is on kluber going for the team that throws the most money at him. He unlike his similar peers has never gotten the big money deals. This could be his last cash grab. I'm not getting my hopes up just like I didn't with Morton too many better options for these guys when the red sox do not pay a premium. Honestly I don’t see why any pitcher would choose to pitch for the Yankees, Jays, Orioles, or Red Sox unless they paid the most or offered a role they couldn’t get elsewhere. Strength of schedule is very hard and the ballparks are small. You’re almost guaranteed to have better numbers in any other division.
|
|
|
Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 14, 2021 20:18:20 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by manfred on Jan 14, 2021 20:26:28 GMT -5
My money is on kluber going for the team that throws the most money at him. He unlike his similar peers has never gotten the big money deals. This could be his last cash grab. I'm not getting my hopes up just like I didn't with Morton too many better options for these guys when the red sox do not pay a premium. Honestly I don’t see why any pitcher would choose to pitch for the Yankees, Jays, Orioles, or Red Sox unless they paid the most or offered a role they couldn’t get elsewhere. Strength of schedule is very hard and the ballparks are small. You’re almost guaranteed to have better numbers in any other division. Rings? I don’t know why any competitor would pitch for most of the no-hopers. When I see guys sign with the Royals or Pirates or Mariners or Rangers, I think, well, winning is not the priority to this cat. Not the Orioles (or often Jays), goes without saying!
|
|
|
Post by PedroKsBambino on Jan 14, 2021 20:27:26 GMT -5
With all the talk from Bloom about building for now and the future, I don't think the Sox will be interested in Kluber unless it's a team friendly deal w a team option. He seems to be more interested in younger players who can be controlled for multiple years
|
|
|
Post by soxinjersey on Jan 14, 2021 21:18:17 GMT -5
Like many of you, I want Kluber. Here are some numbers I found interesting as I was pondering the question whether Schilling is a HOFer purely on the basis of his pitching performance. In the past I've compared his numbers with those in the HOF or close. This time, I decided to look at 4 random active pitchers for a different kind of perspective. The columns are self-explanatory except for WRA projected = approximate WAR if these pitchers had pitched the same number of innings as Schilling.
IP
|
|
|
Post by soxinjersey on Jan 14, 2021 21:44:50 GMT -5
Sorry this got cut off -- I've rounded off a few of the numbers. IP W-L ERA (FIP) ER+ WHIP WAR (Proj.) Schilling 3261 216-146 3.46 (3.23) 127 1.14 79.5 Sale 1629 109-73 3.03 (2.90) 140 1.04 45.3 (90.6) (Sale's IP = almost exactly half of Schilling's) Kluber 1342 98-58 3.16 (2.99) 135 1.09 32.3 (78.5) Darvish 1127 71-56 3.47 (3.50) 125 1.16 25.0 (72.5) Snell 556 42-30 3.24 (3.50) 130 1.24 11.4 (66.5)
How great has Chris Sale been? How good has Kluber been? If the Sox sign Kluber, and he and Sale come back close to what they were before ... I'm ready to dream. The Padres have been anointed as a rising power, perhaps the 2nd best team in the NL. Their strengths are their starting pitchers and the left side of their infield. (Plus some excellent prospects.) I love Tatis, but how many of you, for the next 2-3 years, would trade Sale, Kluber, Devers, and Bogaerts for Darvish, Snell, Tatis, and Machado? Another interesting element in this comparison: Schilling pitched over 1000 innings in his 35th year and beyond (six years) and had two great seasons during that period (after also having a great year at 34). He came to the Sox at 37.
|
|
|
Post by manfred on Jan 14, 2021 23:45:35 GMT -5
Sorry this got cut off -- I've rounded off a few of the numbers. IP W-L ERA (FIP) ER+ WHIP WAR (Proj.) Schilling 3261 216-146 3.46 (3.23) 127 1.14 79.5 Sale 1629 109-73 3.03 (2.90) 140 1.04 45.3 (90.6) (Sale's IP = almost exactly half of Schilling's) Kluber 1342 98-58 3.16 (2.99) 135 1.09 32.3 (78.5) Darvish 1127 71-56 3.47 (3.50) 125 1.16 25.0 (72.5) Snell 556 42-30 3.24 (3.50) 130 1.24 11.4 (66.5) How great has Chris Sale been? How good has Kluber been? If the Sox sign Kluber, and he and Sale come back close to what they were before ... I'm ready to dream. The Padres have been anointed as a rising power, perhaps the 2nd best team in the NL. Their strengths are their starting pitchers and the left side of their infield. (Plus some excellent prospects.) I love Tatis, but how many of you, for the next 2-3 years, would trade Sale, Kluber, Devers, and Bogaerts for Darvish, Snell, Tatis, and Machado? Another interesting element in this comparison: Schilling pitched over 1000 innings in his 35th year and beyond (six years) and had two great seasons during that period (after also having a great year at 34). He came to the Sox at 37. I would definitely make that trade (hypothetically... I’d pass in reality out of loyalty to X). I mean, Sale will miss a quarter of the next two years, just to start.
|
|
|
Post by unitspin on Jan 15, 2021 7:06:52 GMT -5
My money is on kluber going for the team that throws the most money at him. He unlike his similar peers has never gotten the big money deals. This could be his last cash grab. I'm not getting my hopes up just like I didn't with Morton too many better options for these guys when the red sox do not pay a premium. As Eric points out though if the sox aren't the highest bidder but are close enough in value to the highest bidder the proximity to his family could add enough extra value in klubers mind to choose the Sox. Sounds like we'll know soon though, it'll be interesting. Don't get me wrong I hope we get him, I just do not see it happening. I've been one of his biggest cheerleaders on this board.
|
|
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 15, 2021 11:08:47 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by soxinjersey on Jan 15, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -5
Sorry this got cut off -- I've rounded off a few of the numbers. IP W-L ERA (FIP) ER+ WHIP WAR (Proj.) Schilling 3261 216-146 3.46 (3.23) 127 1.14 79.5 Sale 1629 109-73 3.03 (2.90) 140 1.04 45.3 (90.6) (Sale's IP = almost exactly half of Schilling's) Kluber 1342 98-58 3.16 (2.99) 135 1.09 32.3 (78.5) Darvish 1127 71-56 3.47 (3.50) 125 1.16 25.0 (72.5) Snell 556 42-30 3.24 (3.50) 130 1.24 11.4 (66.5) How great has Chris Sale been? How good has Kluber been? If the Sox sign Kluber, and he and Sale come back close to what they were before ... I'm ready to dream. The Padres have been anointed as a rising power, perhaps the 2nd best team in the NL. Their strengths are their starting pitchers and the left side of their infield. (Plus some excellent prospects.) I love Tatis, but how many of you, for the next 2-3 years, would trade Sale, Kluber, Devers, and Bogaerts for Darvish, Snell, Tatis, and Machado? Another interesting element in this comparison: Schilling pitched over 1000 innings in his 35th year and beyond (six years) and had two great seasons during that period (after also having a great year at 34). He came to the Sox at 37. I would definitely make that trade (hypothetically... I’d pass in reality out of loyalty to X). I mean, Sale will miss a quarter of the next two years, just to start. You're right that everything would depend on health and also when this season starts ... (and out of loyalty, I would want nothing to do with Machado)
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 15, 2021 15:39:07 GMT -5
I think that if the Red Sox offer is up there with everybody else's the local factor can play up, but I'm going to guess that other teams' offers will separate from what the Red Sox are willing to offer and Kluber will wind up elsewhere, and I still think the Sox will ultimately sign Odorizzi and acquire a young back end starter in the Benintendi deal yet to happen.
|
|
|
Post by greenmonster on Jan 15, 2021 18:44:31 GMT -5
Did anyone think it was going to be easy?
|
|
|
Post by jkfer98 on Jan 15, 2021 19:26:00 GMT -5
Pain
|
|
|
Post by grandsalami on Jan 15, 2021 19:27:51 GMT -5
Eh. Not really bothered by that.
|
|
|
Post by ematz1423 on Jan 15, 2021 19:31:06 GMT -5
Goes without saying but it all depends on what Kluber they are getting. The chances are slim that it's going to be Cy Young Kluber but they don't need him to be that. Will come down to his availability come playoff time.
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,794
|
Post by nomar on Jan 15, 2021 19:36:35 GMT -5
F
|
|
|
Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 15, 2021 19:39:56 GMT -5
Sox again had a lot of interest in a player and was outbid. Its like I'm watching the Bruins. Bloom is still evaluating the market.
|
|