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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 15, 2021 19:42:40 GMT -5
On to the next one, Odorizzi I hope.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 15, 2021 19:43:45 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 15, 2021 19:47:28 GMT -5
On to the next one, Odorizzi I hope. I don't think they're really in on anyone. Which is fine I guess. I just hope Pivetta and Houck take a big step forward.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 15, 2021 19:47:38 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 15, 2021 19:47:52 GMT -5
Too much. Happy they passed.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jan 15, 2021 19:57:17 GMT -5
Is that a one-year contract with the MFY? I'd be disappointed in the RS getting outbid on a one-year deal. If he helps you contend, great. If he's even just a league average P and you're out of contention on July 31 (a real possibility for the 2021 RS), he's a great deadline trade chip.
But I never bought the idea that the RS had an inside track because he's from Mass. Guys usually go for the $$$.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 15, 2021 20:01:19 GMT -5
Is that a one-year contract with the MFY? I'd be disappointed in the RS getting outbid on a one-year deal. If he helps you contend, great. If he's even just a league average P and you're out of contention on July 31 (a real possibility for the 2021 RS), he's a great deadline trade chip. But I never bought the idea that the RS had an inside track because he's from Mass. Guys usually go for the $$$. That’s way too much for someone who had been very injury prone.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 15, 2021 20:02:41 GMT -5
On to the next one, Odorizzi I hope. I don't think they're really in on anyone. Which is fine I guess. I just hope Pivetta and Houck take a big step forward. We'll see but I'd be shocked if they don't bring in at least a starter or two and reports a few weeks ago seemed to suggest they are very interested in Odorizzi. I'm not upset they didn't sign Kluber to a one year 11 mil deal. He's still a wildcard and I think its 50/50 on if he'll be worth it or not.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jan 15, 2021 20:15:29 GMT -5
We really are gonna run it back with the same crappy team as last year aren't we?
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Post by incandenza on Jan 15, 2021 20:15:45 GMT -5
If the Red Sox had signed Kluber for $10-11 million for one year I would have been rather excited.
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Post by unitspin on Jan 15, 2021 20:24:34 GMT -5
When do we ready ourselves for a long painful season? I've been there for about a month now, plenty of space to jump on, fellas.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 15, 2021 20:27:27 GMT -5
There's still a lot of good free agents left. Its way too early to start sounding the warning horn proclaiming its going to be the same team as last year.
Edit: I'll also add that Erod will be back who is likely to be better than any free agent pitcher available outside of Bauer. They need much more but that's already an improvement on the team.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 15, 2021 20:43:44 GMT -5
If the Red Sox had signed Kluber for $10-11 million for one year I would have been rather excited. Meh, I would have been okay with it, but there's a chance he's cooked. It's nice he was up to 90 mph recently, but I still wouldn't like to hedge my bet on him. If you're going to go after a injury prone starter, go get Rich Hill for 6-8 million.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 15, 2021 20:54:42 GMT -5
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Post by juanfatj on Jan 15, 2021 20:57:37 GMT -5
I have to admit, the lack of signings is becoming frustrating. This team needs help, both short and long term.
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Post by manfred on Jan 15, 2021 21:06:22 GMT -5
C’mon people. Bloom was in Tampa’s FO, where he got his rings. This is all 4D chess.
snark aside... it doesn’t matter. Next year is a bridge, so signing mid-30s players is not a pressing need. But it won’t help them field a watchable team next year not to get a few actual MLB pitchers.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 15, 2021 21:20:55 GMT -5
If they sign Odorizzi I'll be fine with that; I trust their judgment. I don't think they get outbid if they were wowed by the showcase, and I can certainly believe that they had a different take on it than the Yankees. We'll see who was smarter.
If we do sign Odorizzi, and fairly quickly, that would be a pretty clear case of the two rivals putting their smart cards on the table. Which would be really interesting from a fan's point ... when was the last time the teams were filling the same needs in free agency?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 15, 2021 21:25:24 GMT -5
On to the next one, Odorizzi I hope. I don't think they're really in on anyone. Which is fine I guess. I just hope Pivetta and Houck take a big step forward. Ok, this one escapes me. Houck can't be any more "forward" than he was last season. I'll be satisfied if he can get anywhere in that vicinity, frankly.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 15, 2021 21:36:31 GMT -5
when was the last time the teams were filling the same needs in free agency?
Probably Mark Teixeira was the last time it happened.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 15, 2021 21:37:27 GMT -5
Wow, this was a lot of fuss for one year $11m. I assumed the bidding war discussion meant something else.
I'm fine with Ordozzi in the 3/40 range even if his ceiling is lower.
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Post by cdj on Jan 15, 2021 21:47:02 GMT -5
Go get Tanaka for 2 years then
If we had made the Kluber signing I would’ve liked it. Its still really the beginning of the offseason though so I don’t understand the panic or frustration
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Post by incandenza on Jan 15, 2021 21:48:12 GMT -5
If the Red Sox had signed Kluber for $10-11 million for one year I would have been rather excited. Meh, I would have been okay with it, but there's a chance he's cooked. It's nice he was up to 90 mph recently, but I still wouldn't like to hedge my bet on him. If you're going to go after a injury prone starter, go get Rich Hill for 6-8 million. There is indeed a chance he's cooked. But if there weren't he'd get 5/100 or whatever instead oof 1/10. It just seems to me the Red Sox are in a position where they're building for the long-term, but ought to pursue a high-risk/high-reward strategy for 2021 without taking on long-term risk, and this Kluber sontract certainly would have fit the bill there.
On the other hand, the fact that they didn't sign him at that price - and the Yankees, who are probably even more desperate for pitching than we are, did instead - in itself lowers my estimation of his likelihood of success this season.
I just wish Odorizzi weren't the apparent Plan B (or maybe it's the Plan A...). Not that excited about him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 15, 2021 23:56:52 GMT -5
I'm pretty annoyed that the Red Sox couldn't come away with Kluber. As I see it in this free agency, there were 3 pitchers with the capability of being difference makers, the potential of pitching like a top of the rotation type starter, that were in this market.
Obviously there is Bauer, but he comes with a draft pick attached, and let's face it, he's probably asking for ridiculous dollars, and he hasn't the track record to be worth the money he's asking for and at this point, it really wouldn't be a good thing for a team like the Red Sox who are trying to build up their farm system to not select the 40th pick in the draft.
The other two capable of pitching like aces but without an ironclad guarantee that they would pitch like a top of the rotation/#2 type starter was Sugano and Kluber.
With Sugano, it sounds like unless somebody was going to give him a 4 year $60 million deal, he wasn't coming to the US, and even so he's already 31 years old. Would have liked to have seen the Sox sign him, but....I can get why they and nobody else signed him.
And then there's Kluber, who would have been perfect. A one year deal at reasonable money would have been a gamble worth taking, because if he stunk this year....well the Sox wouldn't be going anywhere anyways, but if he's as good as he's capable of being, then you have an ace, somebody who can bring the Sox into competitiveness if others do well around him.
Instead the local thing only worked to the extent that New York is pretty damn close to where he lives, too, and apparently they have his personal trainer working for them, which was a big advantage for them, and if the Sox' offer was close to NY, and he had to choose, well they have his trainer, and let's face it, they're more likely to finish atop the division than the Red Sox are. Don't think he agonized too much about the decision.
So now what? I guess that means signing Odorizzi? He's slightly above average. I'd hope they can do it for two years instead of three, but won't be surprised if they wind up giving him 3 years $40 million. Kind of hope they don't. Don't really want to see them pay for him to become mediocre.
And truthfully none of the others inspire. There's nobody left on the open market that I'd call a difference maker. I would guess Happ is the best of the rest. I think Lester has seen his best days. I think he'll wind up in SF.
When it's all said and done, I think they'll sign Odorizzi, bring in Colome (perhaps they could have jumped on Brad Hand when they had a chance?), and sign Semien (not really excited about him, but prefer him to Kiké Hernandez, but really wish Kim could have been signed.). I think JBJ will wind up in Houston and they'll deal Benintendi by Monday for a young back end starter and an outfielder prospect with some serious warts, and then I'll be marveling that it's been three years since the Red Sox have significantly upgraded their team on the field (that's not mean as a shot toward Bloom. For the most part his trades have been fine and he made some nice moves at the deadline to help the farm).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 16, 2021 0:03:34 GMT -5
If they sign Odorizzi I'll be fine with that; I trust their judgment. I don't think they get outbid if they were wowed by the showcase, and I can certainly believe that they had a different take on it than the Yankees. We'll see who was smarter. If we do sign Odorizzi, and fairly quickly, that would be a pretty clear case of the two rivals putting their smart cards on the table. Which would be really interesting from a fan's point ... when was the last time the teams were filling the same needs in free agency?
How do you know it was a "judgment" think rather than the Red Sox were simply outbid or Kluber preferred to go where his trainer was, stay close to local, and go to a team that will actually be the favorite to win their division rather than a middling team like the Red Sox? I don't know if I "trust" their judgment or not. Don't have a lot to go on other than ownership forcing Bloom to deal Betts and Bloom having to sell off his best assets because the team stunk. For example, who knows if he made the right choice not dealing JBJ when he had a chance? And a lot of his dumpster diving resulted in a ton of trash. He didn't exactly have the run of luck that Dan Duquette had in 1995 (Or was that Mike Gimbel?) or Theo had in 2003. I'm not trying to say that Bloom is great or bad. I do have hope that he'll take the Red Sox where we want them to go, but I just don't have a lot to go on. Maybe you CAN trust what he's doing and the Red Sox FO is really smart, but what I'm pushing back on is the idea that the Red Sox FO is brilliant while other teams don't have the brain power that the Sox do. That if the Sox don't do something and somebody else does that it's the right move because they know more than we do. Well, how about the other team making a move? Maybe they know something that we don't either or perhaps maybe even something the Red Sox don't know. What I'm trying to say is that I don't have enough trust in the Red Sox FO track record to automatically assume that their moves will be brilliant and that they're playing chess while their opposition is playing checkers. I think a lot of their competition is well run these days, too. It's not like 2003/2004 when the Red Sox were ahead of their curve and everybody else was old school and being left in the dust.
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Post by nomar on Jan 16, 2021 0:05:01 GMT -5
Too much. Happy they passed. Too much? It’s 10M
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