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Red Sox Acquire Adam Ottavino from the Yankees
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Post by manfred on Jan 25, 2021 12:53:33 GMT -5
Ottavino's pERA the last 3 years: 2.46, 3.30, 4.36.
If that's an actual trend, that's obviously bad. But a standard 3-2-1 weighting (also by IP) gives a 3.34 projection, which is better than Barnes' 3.65. You trust that they've looked at him and think it's he latter. Barnes had a 5.43 pERA last year and no one is putting much stock in that.
The best part of this is that the Yankees just dumped salary to stay under the tax limit, and we took on the salary.
I trust some heads are exploding.
6 down, 2 to go. CF and LH 1B, and Moreland is so obvious for the latter that the only open question is JBJ.
Of course, the $9 million means all remaining holes will be filled on the cheap. I wonder if this adds to likelihood of Beni being traded to get back some of his $6+ milllion? I also assume aiding a Yankee salary dump is another sign that they’ve raised the white flag on the season. Neither of which actually bother me. Sad to see JBJ go.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 25, 2021 12:55:32 GMT -5
Full trade:
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Post by soxstan96 on Jan 25, 2021 12:57:25 GMT -5
Ottavino's pERA the last 3 years: 2.46, 3.30, 4.36.
If that's an actual trend, that's obviously bad. But a standard 3-2-1 weighting (also by IP) gives a 3.34 projection, which is better than Barnes' 3.65. You trust that they've looked at him and think it's he latter. Barnes had a 5.43 pERA last year and no one is putting much stock in that.
The best part of this is that the Yankees just dumped salary to stay under the tax limit, and we took on the salary.
I trust some heads are exploding.
6 down, 2 to go. CF and LH 1B, and Moreland is so obvious for the latter that the only open question is JBJ.
I'm really doubting we sign JBJ at this point. I could see us making a run at someone cheaper like Marisnick or Pillar.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 25, 2021 12:58:10 GMT -5
This trade greatly updates my beliefs towards their salary cap being the final luxury tax line with the draft pick penalty and not the first luxury tax line. So they might have another $35 million to spend.
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Post by manfred on Jan 25, 2021 13:05:20 GMT -5
So... if the Yankees send money, but then the Red Sox send back money... how does that work? I mean, I assume the Sox would be required to give more than they got, lest they were just gifted a player? Weird.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 25, 2021 13:12:25 GMT -5
Hilarious. After all the talk about how the Red Sox could take on expensive contracts to get prospects from a small market team, they actually do it with... the Yankees.
I think this *probably* takes JBJ off the table, though Bloom has been a busy beaver lately (activity timed, predictably enough, to come immediately after the chorus of complaints about his passivity reached a crescendo), so maybe we'll see some complicated gambit involving a Beni trade and a JBJ re-signing or something. Or could it just mean they're way high on Duran?
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 25, 2021 13:19:35 GMT -5
The best part is that Ottavino is on a one year deal, so they could a really good prospect ontop of this.
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Post by cba82 on Jan 25, 2021 13:27:57 GMT -5
The best part is that Ottavino is on a one year deal, so they could a really good prospect ontop of this. Which could also make him an interesting chip at the trade deadline, when the Red Sox will, once again, likely be sellers.
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Post by greenmonsterwhalers on Jan 25, 2021 13:30:40 GMT -5
I’m not necessarily against this trade but isn’t $11M on the expensive side for Ottavino, considering his results last year? Brad Hand got approximately the same amount and he isn’t coming off a down year. Also, it’s not like we’re getting a top prospect in return from the Yankees. Additionally, while I’m fine with taking on the 8M while we’re rebuilding, does it make sense to take up 3M (or really any) future salary for 2022 for a player who won’t be around, when that money could be useful if we’re contending?
Having said all of that, Boston definitely needed a good reliever and Ottavino’s breaking ball is filthy. Hopefully he can turn it around and get us a nice prospect at the deadline.
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 25, 2021 13:31:39 GMT -5
So... if the Yankees send money, but then the Red Sox send back money... how does that work? I mean, I assume the Sox would be required to give more than they got, lest they were just gifted a player? Weird. Thats why they call him CASHman
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 25, 2021 13:46:01 GMT -5
I’m not necessarily against this trade but isn’t $11M on the expensive side for Ottavino, considering his results last year? Brad Hand got approximately the same amount and he isn’t coming off a down year. Also, it’s not like we’re getting a top prospect in return from the Yankees. Additionally, while I’m fine with taking on the 8M while we’re rebuilding, does it make sense to take up 3M (or really any) future salary for 2022 for a player who won’t be around, when that money could be useful if we’re contending? Having said all of that, Boston definitely needed a good reliever and Ottavino’s breaking ball is filthy. Hopefully he can turn it around and get us a nice prospect at the deadline. Don’t read too much into his 2020 stats. He had one horrible appearance which ranked his numbers, but he was good otherwise. 2020 stats shouldn’t mean much at all but even less so for Ottavino.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 25, 2021 13:48:14 GMT -5
Really. And I don't think they're done.
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Post by bjb406 on Jan 25, 2021 13:54:30 GMT -5
Haven't posted in a long time. Why is this blank? Was the trade changed? Or is there a problem with my browser, because I see nothing about what was actually traded.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 25, 2021 13:56:05 GMT -5
I’m not necessarily against this trade but isn’t $11M on the expensive side for Ottavino, considering his results last year? Brad Hand got approximately the same amount and he isn’t coming off a down year. Also, it’s not like we’re getting a top prospect in return from the Yankees. Additionally, while I’m fine with taking on the 8M while we’re rebuilding, does it make sense to take up 3M (or really any) future salary for 2022 for a player who won’t be around, when that money could be useful if we’re contending? Having said all of that, Boston definitely needed a good reliever and Ottavino’s breaking ball is filthy. Hopefully he can turn it around and get us a nice prospect at the deadline. The big difference is the luxury tax amount of 8.15mil vs 10.5mil. Another indicator that the Red Sox have made remaining under the tax a priority this offseason. As far as the cost in $$, 11.15mil (the 3mil deffered is already accounted for by the lux tax) is quite a bit for Ottavino coming off a down year, the prospect coming with him holds a positive value of ~5-6mil. Given the Red Sox are willing to spend $$, just not go over the tax, the ~6mil net cost for Ottavino seems reasonable (especially if he rebounds and they flip him at the trade deadline for more prospects).
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 25, 2021 13:58:10 GMT -5
I’m not necessarily against this trade but isn’t $11M on the expensive side for Ottavino, considering his results last year? Brad Hand got approximately the same amount and he isn’t coming off a down year. Also, it’s not like we’re getting a top prospect in return from the Yankees. Additionally, while I’m fine with taking on the 8M while we’re rebuilding, does it make sense to take up 3M (or really any) future salary for 2022 for a player who won’t be around, when that money could be useful if we’re contending? Having said all of that, Boston definitely needed a good reliever and Ottavino’s breaking ball is filthy. Hopefully he can turn it around and get us a nice prospect at the deadline. Don’t read too much into his 2020 stats. He had one horrible appearance which ranked his numbers, but he was good otherwise. 2020 stats shouldn’t mean much at all but even less so for Ottavino. I'm glad you pointed that out. I went and took a look and see that he pitched 18.1 innings and allowed 12 earned runs. During that one game you mention he allowed 6 earned runs on 9/7 against the Jays without recording an out. So basically one bad game ballooned his ERA from 3 to 5.89. You can't just ignore that game completely but for most of the season he was an effective pitcher.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 25, 2021 13:59:33 GMT -5
Haven't posted in a long time. Why is this blank? Was the trade changed? Or is there a problem with my browser, because I see nothing about what was actually traded. Some browsers or organizations block Tweets. At work I can see tweets but not instagram. Text: Mark Feinsand @feinsand The Yankees will send $850K to the Red Sox in the trade, per source. So Boston will be on the hook for $8.15 million to Ottavino. Yankees get back a player to be named later or cash considerations for Ottavino/German. 12:43 PM · Jan 25, 2021
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jan 25, 2021 14:01:38 GMT -5
Not a trade that is going to win us a World Series but one that continues to reinforce my belief that Bloom has a plan. I like it.
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Post by 75tillnow on Jan 25, 2021 14:18:22 GMT -5
It's a reflective, rather than a reactionary, move (something one would like to expect from a classics major!). If Otto pans out and the Sox are competitive, then great. The lack of a short porch in right field (as opposed to Der Toilet) may help with his seeming troubles with left-handed batters. If the Sox are not competitive, then flip him for a prospect or two at the deadline -- which means Bloom would have spent 8.15 mill for German and two or so other prospects -- a good deal in any scenario. If Mata turns out to be a relief stud, they could flip Otto anyway for prospects, with Mata replacing him. Nice.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 25, 2021 14:27:43 GMT -5
I thought this was the funniest tweet lol.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 25, 2021 14:27:44 GMT -5
So... if the Yankees send money, but then the Red Sox send back money... how does that work? I mean, I assume the Sox would be required to give more than they got, lest they were just gifted a player? Weird. Funny how the days of dumping players for salary cap reasons work isn't it? Here Boston gets their closer, plus a pretty decent prospect all because another team is right on top of some cap, which shouldn't exist in the 1st place and would have to be penalized in various ways if they go over that line, so they give away a talented player, plus another talented prospect, pay 850k of his salary and will end up getting some nobody, or 5$ worth of loose change down the road in return. Reasons to do away with the cap, tho it's for another thread.
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Post by splendidsplinter on Jan 25, 2021 14:32:46 GMT -5
Finally, the last pieces of the Sparky Lyle trade are consummated!
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 25, 2021 14:38:24 GMT -5
If Ottavino were on this free agent market, he's the guy I would have wanted after Hendricks (the Sox weren't getting him, ridiculous deal) and Yates.
So it all kind of worked out for the best.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 25, 2021 14:39:27 GMT -5
Finally, the last pieces of the Sparky Lyle trade are consummated! No, we are going to trade German and whoever we get with the #4 pick (or our 2nd round pick) for the next Pedro.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 25, 2021 14:50:02 GMT -5
Is this the first time that Yankees and Sox have completed a trade since Mike Stanley?
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Post by ramireja on Jan 25, 2021 14:51:54 GMT -5
Is this the first time that Yankees and Sox have completed a trade since Mike Stanley? Stephen Drew for Kelly Johnson in 2014, but only the 2nd trade between the two franchises since Cashman has been in charge.
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