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Royals/Mets Prospect Watch
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 27, 2021 10:25:08 GMT -5
I'm thinking there's a good chance that the Mets and Royals haven't given the Red Sox any sort of "protected" list, yet. And that when the time comes to finalize the trade, that's when the Red Sox will find out who's in the pool of players they can choose from. For the reasons discussed above, I highly doubt there isn't some understood parameter. It may not be a list of 4 names, but I'm sure there's some kind of agreement other than "we'll work it out on June 15" or something. EDIT: Although, that said, I could see "you can pick {1/2} guys on June 15, but we get to take 10 guys off the board when you do" or something. I just mean there's something other than "Can we get this guy?" "No." "Why?" "We don't want to trade him to you."
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Post by incandenza on May 27, 2021 10:37:13 GMT -5
Yeah, a list of guys you can't take = a list of the rest of the guys that you could take. And is a pretty good situation. So Chris' info is very interesting. The Mets just got OF Billy McKinney from the Brewers for 17-year-old left-hander Pedro Quintana, whom they had signed in January. A blog guessed that Quintana had been someone the Brewers had scouted and hoped to sign. McKinney was an afterthought and had been DFA. I wouldn't read anything into that trade. The Mets just literally need bodies at this point - he was cut by the Brewers and the Mets literally plugged him in at cleanup. Well. Not *literally*, in either case...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 27, 2021 11:09:15 GMT -5
Dammit... fair.
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Post by Addam603 on May 31, 2021 11:03:41 GMT -5
Weekly Mets Prospect Watch.
#11 Junior Santos (A, 19) Week Line: 2 G (1 GS), 4.0 IP, 6 H, 7 ER, 5 BB, 5 K. Season Line: 15.0 IP, 9 BB, 17 K, 7.20 ERA, .267 BAA, 1.67 WHIP Bad week for Santos and some ugly early season numbers, but he's still going to be 19 for pretty much the whole season so I take the numbers with a grain of salt.
#12 Jayden Palmer (A, 20) Week Line: 6-17, 5 BB, 5 K, 1 SB Season Line: .233/.356/.274/.630, 1 2B, 1 3B, 14 B, 26 K, 4/5 SB 1st good week for Palmer. He had an interesting month, given that his scouting report has power as his standout tool and he hit 2 XBH in May.
#17 Jose Butto (A+, 23) Week Line: DNP Season Line: 18.1 IP, 7 BB, 19 K, 3.93 ERA, .188 BAA, 1.04 WHIP Butto has been pretty good over the last few weeks. He had a rough first start, but his numbers since then are 14.2 IP, 9 H, 4 ER, 4 BB, 14 K, 2.45 ERA.
#19 Carlos Cortes (AA, 23) Week Line: 4-13, 2 2B, HR, 3 BB, 3 K Season Line: .250/.333/.463/.796, 8 2B, 3 HR, 11 B, 17 K, 0/1 SB Small guy (5'7") with a little pop, but no real defensive home. Needs to hit to provide value.
#23 Tylor Megill (AA, 25) Week Line: 4.1 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 9 K Season Line: 26.0 IP, 7 BB, 42 K, 3.12 ERA, .221 BAA, 1.08 WHIP First rough week for Megill and it still wasn't horrible. Still managed to strike out 9 and only walk 2 across 4.1 IP. Probably the guy I'd like the most out of the system at this point. Just realizing he is a little on the older side. He turns 26 in July.
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Post by Addam603 on May 31, 2021 11:39:29 GMT -5
Weekly Royals Prospect Watch
3B Emmanuel Rivera (24, AAA) Week Line: 10-21, 4 2B, 3B, 2 HR, 1 BB, 7 K Season Line: .253/.313/.517/.830, 6 2B, 3B, 5 HR, 5 BB, 23 K Not the type of prospect I think they're going to go for, but that's a pretty good week. He's putting up decent numbers (though greatly skewed by this week) at age 24 in AAA.
2B Gabriel Cancel (24, AAA) Week Line: 8-21, 2B, 4 HR, 1 BB, 4 K Season Line: .247/.321/.521/.842, 2 2B, 6 HR, 8 BB, 21 K Same deal as Rivera. I'd also take this week's numbers with a grain of salt because it looks like the Royals AAA team just beat up on whoever they played this past week.
Jeison Guzman (22, A+) Week Line: 4-12, 2B, HR, 1 BB, 4 K, SB Season Line: .355/.474/.613/1.087, 2 2B, 2 HR, 5 BB, 8 K, 6/7 SB Guzman has only played 8 games so far this year, but they've been 8 good ones. He looks to be a really talented SS, but isn't anywhere on their top prospect list. He's currently playing for the Dominican Republic in the Olympic Qualifiers. He's had an interesting career path, already being added to the 40 man and non-tendered before he reached the age of 22.
Maikel Garcia (21, A) Week Line: 8-20, 2 2B, 3B, 4 BB, 4 K Season Line: .338/.433/.450/.883, 7 2B, 3B, 15 BB, 13 K, 4/5 SB Good K/BB ratio as a 21 year old. Not striking out a lot. Not much over the fence power, but there's some gap there.
#29 Angel Zerpa (21, A+) Week Line: 1 GS, 5.0 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 7 K Season Line: 5 GS, 24.2 IP, 4 BB, 37 K, 1.82 ERA, 0.81 WHIP, .176 BAA Bunch of average pitches and good pitchability for his age. Doing really well this year, which is great, but he's also already on the 40-man and I don't think the Sox need another prospect in the low minors taking up another roster spot.
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Post by rasimon on May 31, 2021 11:40:55 GMT -5
Roberto Dominguez has not started the season yet
I wonder if Matt Allen or Pete Crow-Armstrong are options even with the injuries. Sox take the risk for the Mets.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on May 31, 2021 12:01:57 GMT -5
Roberto Dominguez has not started the season yet I wonder if Matt Allen or Pete Crow-Armstrong are options even with the injuries. Sox take the risk for the Mets. 0% chance the Mets would have allowed PCA on that list. That would make the trade PCA and Winck for Khalil Lee.
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 31, 2021 17:56:32 GMT -5
One name to add for the Mets: Mark Vientos
HIT 45 POWER 60 RUN 40 ARM 60 FIELD 50 OVERALL 50 Vientos was still six months away from his 18th birthday when the Mets took him in the second round of the 2017 Draft out of American Heritage (Fla.) High School, a program that produced Eric Hosmer and Triston Casas. An uneven spring prior to the Draft caused some of his slide, but a $1.5 million bonus kept him from going to the University of Miami instead. The Mets took it relatively slow with Vientos in the early days, sending him to Rookie level Kingsport in 2018 and Class A Columbia in 2019, and saw signs of promising power at both stops, despite being young for both levels. He participated in the alternate training site in Brooklyn and got more at-bats in instructional league play to make up for the losses of 2020.
Vientos can be lean for a 6-foot-4 corner infielder but still has time to fill out even more considering he is only entering his age-21 season in 2021. The power remains the standout tool and is evident in the right-handed slugger’s impressive exit velocities. How much he’ll get to that power remains up in the air. Vientos was just a .255 hitter at Class A Columbia, a result of expanding the zone too much at times. The Mets believe that was the result of his youth, but he’ll need to prove he’s moved past those speed bumps when he returns to competitive play this summer. After playing some shortstop earlier in his career, third base remains the priority for him at this stage, and his arm will be what helps him stick there. The Mets gave him some additional looks at first base at the alternate training site, but that was out of positional necessity more than an indication of where they’re planning to move him long-term.
The Florida native could face an organizational issue at some point since he is in the same system as fellow 21-year-old Brett Baty. Baty’s better overall hit tool and slightly better pop gives him a leg up in the race to claim the hot corner in Queens. But if Vientos can show more of a mature approach that turns the high exit velos into legitimate Minor League homers, he would stake his own claim as a legitimate starting third baseman in the Majors someday.
2021 Line: AB R H HR RBI SB 2021 Stats 78 6 18 3 12 0 .231 .279 .689
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Post by bcsox on May 31, 2021 18:17:45 GMT -5
i suggested this earlier in the thread and Rasimon reiterated it, but does anyone think there is a chance at PCA or Allen? First of all, I assume we would all about 99% agree that neither Allen or PCA are on the list. I dont think Allen is a possibility, because teams will wait and exhaust every option on good arms, but if the Sox went to the Mets and said, PCA needs extensive surgery, and is out for the year, so that is essentially two straight years of lost development. the Mets may think less of him now that he is off track. If you were the Sox, I assume you would take that if offered. Taking an injured guy as opposed to a healthy one does create risk, so its not exactly like the Sox walking into a bank with a mask and a gun here..
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 31, 2021 18:30:10 GMT -5
Both Vientos and Megill are Rule 5 eligible this winter. I doubt they'd want to add another play to the 40 man crunch (see the 2021 Rule 5 draft thread) unless they were clearly the best player.
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Post by lennsakata on May 31, 2021 20:27:46 GMT -5
Stanley Consuerga is interesting option from the Mets, Hopefully as the lesser of two pieces coming back, $500k signing bonus in 17-18 period, drafted as a ss but moved to outfield where his arm could play in right. 6’2 176 when drafted but hopefully has added some muscle. Played 2018 and got promoted from DSL to GCL, despite middling numbers, then Missed 2019 due to a knee injury and then last year was lost, so the kind of guy you would want to see in the GCL. A little more of a lottery ticket upside then most of the options you see in their 15-30’prospects that have been discussed.
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Post by Addam603 on May 31, 2021 20:29:34 GMT -5
Stanley Consuerga is interesting option from the Mets, Hopefully as the lesser of two pieces coming back, $500k signing bonus in 17-18 period, drafted as a ss but moved to outfield where his arm could play in right. 6’2 176 when drafted but hopefully has added some muscle. Played 2018 and got promoted from DSL to GCL, despite middling numbers, then Missed 2019 due to a knee injury and then last year was lost, so the kind of guy you would want to see in the GCL. A little more of a lottery ticket upside then most of the options you see in their 15-30’prospects that have been discussed. We’re only getting one player from the Mets. The lower level lottery type guys will be coming from the Royals.
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Post by unitspin on May 31, 2021 20:38:17 GMT -5
Roberto Dominguez has not started the season yet I wonder if Matt Allen or Pete Crow-Armstrong are options even with the injuries. Sox take the risk for the Mets. 0% chance the Mets would have allowed PCA on that list. That would make the trade PCA and Winck for Khalil Lee. With how winck has played as well would be surprised if the Mets didn't give a very poor list to pick from.
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Post by jdog2020 on May 31, 2021 22:11:07 GMT -5
Roberto Dominguez has not started the season yet I wonder if Matt Allen or Pete Crow-Armstrong are options even with the injuries. Sox take the risk for the Mets. 0% chance the Mets would have allowed PCA on that list. That would make the trade PCA and Winck for Khalil Lee. Don't be so certain. These are the Mets...
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Post by chr31ter on Jun 1, 2021 7:47:35 GMT -5
0% chance the Mets would have allowed PCA on that list. That would make the trade PCA and Winck for Khalil Lee. With how winck has played as well would be surprised if the Mets didn't give a very poor list to pick from. I would be shocked if the Red Sox structured the terms of the trade to allow the Mets to do something like this.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2021 8:26:19 GMT -5
With how winck has played as well would be surprised if the Mets didn't give a very poor list to pick from. I would be shocked if the Red Sox structured the terms of the trade to allow the Mets to do something like this. It's probably a pre-determined list made up prior to the start of the minor league season so Winckowski's performance would have zero impact on who the Sox get as the other PTBNL.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jun 1, 2021 8:54:23 GMT -5
PCA also had a fairly serious surgery to his labrum 2 weeks ago that will likely cancel out the remainder of his 2021 season, so maybe he wouldn't be the best choice.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2021 9:01:17 GMT -5
I'm seeing this whole trade a little differently than some, so going to put my 2 cents in fwiw: This wasn't really a 3 team trade - It's two straight up trades done simultaneously. First is Red Sox-Mets: Red Sox get: Lee - the actual prospect Cordero - the guy that Beni is replacing 2 lottery tickets Royals get: Beni and cash Lee was the meat for the Sox and Cordero is a decent second piece. The two lottery tickets (at least in the Royals minds) should be Powerball odds and Scratch-off payouts. Maybe the Sox get more, but that seems to be the way the deal is structured. The second deal is Lee to the Mets for Winck and a PTBNL. As best as I can tell, Winck is mostly a non-prospect so I don't see his value offsetting much of Lee's. So, the way I see it the Sox should be getting someone of roughly the same value as Lee. Lee is #7 in the Mets farm system so someone 6-10 seems like fair value. PCA may be a reach but who knows. If it's a player outside of the top 10-12 I'd be a little disappointed. I guess I would just add that the Sox interest in Lee was based solely on Bloom knowing Zack Scott's desire to obtain Lee. Bloom had inside information on this knowing Scott's interest in Lee from working with Scott for a year, so I don't think Lee was ever a true Red Sox target. The Sox only wanted him because they knew they could extract value from the Mets for Lee. While I won't say that Winckowski was a top rated prospect, I wouldn't say he was a non-prospect. He was in that nether world of "Maybe he's a starter if things break right or else he's a reliever, and not one who's a closer". So when you get that, that means "probably middle relief arm", which is nice, but not THAT valuable. At the moment, Winckowski is starting to look like a guy you can put into a rotation every five days, and with the Sox for the past how many years that hasn't been the case. I mean how many times were we excited about a potential rotation guy and then it turns out that he can only be a reliever to succeed?
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 1, 2021 9:06:23 GMT -5
I'm thinking there's a good chance that the Mets and Royals haven't given the Red Sox any sort of "protected" list, yet. And that when the time comes to finalize the trade, that's when the Red Sox will find out who's in the pool of players they can choose from. Sorry to be blunt but this makes absolutely zero sense for the Sox. You really think they are going to make a trade without having any idea what so ever who they are getting in half of the players to be received?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jun 1, 2021 9:11:23 GMT -5
I'm thinking there's a good chance that the Mets and Royals haven't given the Red Sox any sort of "protected" list, yet. And that when the time comes to finalize the trade, that's when the Red Sox will find out who's in the pool of players they can choose from. Sorry to be blunt but this makes absolutely zero sense for the Sox. You really think they are going to make a trade without having any idea what so ever who they are getting in half of the players to be received? For real. How the hell would they know who to scout haha
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 1, 2021 9:13:22 GMT -5
Thinking about the fact that the Sox are likely looking for guys not Rule-5 eligible, one guy I wouldn’t hate would be Alex Ramirez. Likely a pipe dream but it’s a potential vs proximity thing. With the caveat that rankings aren’t everything, Lee falls in as the Mets #7 prospect and is major league ready(ish). Ramirez (#9 prospect) has tons of potential but is years away. If Ramirez is too rich for the Mets, Robert Dominguez and Freddy Valdez could be possibilities. Dominguez hasn’t played a professional game yet but his stuff looks good, is progressing, and has impressed a bit during the last year or so. Valdez has the power and arm to be a corner outfielder.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 1, 2021 9:36:12 GMT -5
And given that Wink wasn't in their or the Sox top 30 to begin with means the Sox should be getting a top 8-12 back, IMO. It will be disappointing if that isn't the case but hey these guys are just prospects so it is really just different degrees of chance, especially if the player is not in rule 5 territory.
Not that it matters but it is too bad Lee didn't do better with his cup of coffee, would have made it a bit more interesting with the prognosticating.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 1, 2021 9:40:29 GMT -5
I believe Winckowski was ranked #28 on the Mets list (MLB Pipeline) at the time of the Benintendi trade.
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Post by chr31ter on Jun 1, 2021 9:55:08 GMT -5
I'm thinking there's a good chance that the Mets and Royals haven't given the Red Sox any sort of "protected" list, yet. And that when the time comes to finalize the trade, that's when the Red Sox will find out who's in the pool of players they can choose from. Sorry to be blunt but this makes absolutely zero sense for the Sox. You really think they are going to make a trade without having any idea what so ever who they are getting in half of the players to be received? I think it's certainly possible that the two sides agreed to a general framework of what the Red Sox would get in return without getting into specific players. What if they agreed that that on June 1st, the Mets would give the Red Sox a list of 10 prospects that they wanted to keep, and then Boston would get to pick the next best player in their system? The Red Sox would have a pretty good idea who probably eight of those guys would be, as well as a general idea of 5-10 kids they wanted to scout at that point.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 1, 2021 10:30:57 GMT -5
Sorry to be blunt but this makes absolutely zero sense for the Sox. You really think they are going to make a trade without having any idea what so ever who they are getting in half of the players to be received? I think it's certainly possible that the two sides agreed to a general framework of what the Red Sox would get in return without getting into specific players. What if they agreed that that on June 1st, the Mets would give the Red Sox a list of 10 prospects that they wanted to keep, and then Boston would get to pick the next best player in their system? The Red Sox would have a pretty good idea who probably eight of those guys would be, as well as a general idea of 5-10 kids they wanted to scout at that point. That is a different take that could be possible but it would also mean the Sox would waste time scouting guys for that month. Still makes more sense from Blooms position to have something more concrete from the beginning. Maybe we will get more info after the fact and you could be right.
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