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Post by incandenza on Jun 1, 2021 10:45:21 GMT -5
I think it's certainly possible that the two sides agreed to a general framework of what the Red Sox would get in return without getting into specific players. What if they agreed that that on June 1st, the Mets would give the Red Sox a list of 10 prospects that they wanted to keep, and then Boston would get to pick the next best player in their system? The Red Sox would have a pretty good idea who probably eight of those guys would be, as well as a general idea of 5-10 kids they wanted to scout at that point. That is a different take that could be possible but it would also mean the Sox would waste time scouting guys for that month. Still makes more sense from Blooms position to have something more concrete from the beginning. Maybe we will get more info after the fact and you could be right. I don't know that this would be a "waste of time." If it were just a normal trade deadline-type deal, there'd be no question of spending a month scouting guys in the first place.
Maybe you're thinking of this as if the whole point of the one-month delay were so the Red Sox could decide which guys they liked best, but if chr31ter is correct then maybe the point is for the Mets/Royals to decide who they like enough to not want to trade.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 1, 2021 11:23:13 GMT -5
So, what names would make people satisfied with the Lee for Winckowski + X swap? For our judgement, let's pretend that the Lee and Winckowski evaluations are locked to what we thought day-of-trade.
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Post by chr31ter on Jun 1, 2021 11:51:39 GMT -5
That is a different take that could be possible but it would also mean the Sox would waste time scouting guys for that month. Still makes more sense from Blooms position to have something more concrete from the beginning. Maybe we will get more info after the fact and you could be right. I don't know that this would be a "waste of time." If it were just a normal trade deadline-type deal, there'd be no question of spending a month scouting guys in the first place.
Maybe you're thinking of this as if the whole point of the one-month delay were so the Red Sox could decide which guys they liked best, but if chr31ter is correct then maybe the point is for the Mets/Royals to decide who they like enough to not want to trade.
I tend to think of it as a chance for both sides to figure out who they like and don't like.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jun 1, 2021 12:15:59 GMT -5
I was under the assumption that cash was included with Benintendi to make the PTBNL's a higher caliber of players to choose from. Makes more sense to me.
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Post by dyoungteach on Jun 1, 2021 12:18:43 GMT -5
So, what names would make people satisfied with the Lee for Winckowski + X swap? For our judgement, let's pretend that the Lee and Winckowski evaluations are locked to what we thought day-of-trade. Ginn would be awesome, but maybe unrealistic. Santos would be pretty solid too. In general, I'm hoping for pitching. I’m not sure if I said this heat or the other trade category, but about 2 weeks prior to the trade it was discussed benetendi was going to be traded to an al team for a young outfielder and pitching prospects. 2 weeks or so later this trade happened. I’ll be extremely shocked if there are atleast 2 maybe all 3 players coming back being pitchers.
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 1, 2021 12:24:43 GMT -5
Tbh I don’t understand the whole pitcher angle. Give me best available players!
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Post by ramireja on Jun 1, 2021 12:28:57 GMT -5
I was under the assumption that cash was included with Benintendi to make the PTBNL's a higher caliber of players to choose from. Makes more sense to me. We don't really know what that means though. $ could have been the reason that KC parted with Khalil Lee w/ no impact on the other two KC prospects, or of course, what the Mets would part with for Lee. Its harder to imagine a situation in which us throwing in cash improves the return on all 4 original pieces.
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Post by chr31ter on Jun 1, 2021 12:31:32 GMT -5
Ginn would be awesome, but maybe unrealistic. Santos would be pretty solid too. In general, I'm hoping for pitching. I’m not sure if I said this heat or the other trade category, but about 2 weeks prior to the trade it was discussed benetendi was going to be traded to an al team for a young outfielder and pitching prospects. 2 weeks or so later this trade happened. I’ll be extremely shocked if there are atleast 2 maybe all 3 players coming back being pitchers. This. I'm thinking the guy from the Mets is likely to be a pitcher. Likely to be one of the Mets' Top 25 prospects, but not one of their Top 10. Likely to be nowhere near the 40-man roster. Likely below AA. If I had to bet, I'd put money on the PTBNL from the Mets being one of Junior Santos, Robert Dominguez, Jose Butto, or Jordany Ventura.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 1, 2021 12:49:13 GMT -5
I'm wondering if it's Robert Dominguez. Chris had a response re: a question about the viability of getting him that made me think that's it a distinct possibility but he certainly didn't know for sure. I'm sure Chris can correct me if I read too much into his response, which I very well might have done.
I've read somewhere that Bloom is into acquiring pitching, pitching, pitching, which makes sense because of what you have to pay in free agency or what you have to trade talentwise to acquire, so I'm inclined to think the Sox pick up a pitcher from the Mets, somebody with a high ceiling.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 1, 2021 12:53:31 GMT -5
Junior Santos is another 40 man roster headache. He needs to be put on after next season and right now he's getting bad results in Low-A. He doesn't need to go on this year, at least.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 1, 2021 13:05:13 GMT -5
Mets just added JT Ginn and Alex Ramirez to their Low-A roster. Obviously doesn't preclude them from being an option for the Red Sox, but if I was the Red Sox I would have wanted to finalize the trade before players got promoted like that.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 1, 2021 13:17:32 GMT -5
This. I'm thinking the guy from the Mets is likely to be a pitcher. Likely to be one of the Mets' Top 25 prospects, but not one of their Top 10. Likely to be nowhere near the 40-man roster. Likely below AA. If I had to bet, I'd put money on the PTBNL from the Mets being one of Junior Santos, Robert Dominguez, Jose Butto, or Jordany Ventura. Lee is #7 in the Mets' system, why would the Sox trade him for someone not in the Mets' top 10? Winckowski wasn't listed as one of the Mets' top 30 prospects on mlb's site at the end of last year, so he's not technically accounting for much value in this trade. I'd buy Santos or Domingues, but Butto or Ventura is terrible value on paper. Well he wasn't in the Mets organization then, so that makes sense.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 1, 2021 13:19:36 GMT -5
This. I'm thinking the guy from the Mets is likely to be a pitcher. Likely to be one of the Mets' Top 25 prospects, but not one of their Top 10. Likely to be nowhere near the 40-man roster. Likely below AA. If I had to bet, I'd put money on the PTBNL from the Mets being one of Junior Santos, Robert Dominguez, Jose Butto, or Jordany Ventura. Lee is #7 in the Mets' system, why would the Sox trade him for someone not in the Mets' top 10? Winckowski wasn't listed as one of the Mets' top 30 prospects on mlb's site at the end of last year, so he's not technically accounting for much value in this trade. I'd buy Santos or Domingues, but Butto or Ventura is terrible value on paper. Because they're paying far less attention to prospect rankings than we are. We're not scouts so rankings are basically all we have to try and predict who is coming back. The Red Sox however have scouts who are hopefully more up on player evaluations than we can be and therefore conclude that the two players coming back have greater combined value compared to Khalil Lee (or have similar value with better 40-man roster fit with our system), independent of how they are rated on BA, FanGraphs, etc. Its very possible they've targeted two guys, of lesser industry prospect rankings, but with up arrows next to their names. Winckowski is one. Lets see who the other is. I'm personally going to be excited about that player whether he is immediately ranked #10 or #35.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 1, 2021 13:38:16 GMT -5
Lee is #7 in the Mets' system, why would the Sox trade him for someone not in the Mets' top 10? Winckowski wasn't listed as one of the Mets' top 30 prospects on mlb's site at the end of last year, so he's not technically accounting for much value in this trade. I'd buy Santos or Domingues, but Butto or Ventura is terrible value on paper. Well he wasn't in the Mets organization then, so that makes sense. He wouldn't have ranked in the top 30 of the Mets organization on fangraphs anyway: He was the third piece in a deal for one year's worth of Steven Matz...
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 1, 2021 14:51:54 GMT -5
At one point Bloom made a comment about how he/some in the current group had been high on Winckowski and Scott had always been high on Lee. This clearly isn't going to be a this ranking + this ranking = that ranking situation. On day 1 Speier said it's not going to be a Top 100/Top 10 guy.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jun 1, 2021 15:06:53 GMT -5
I was under the assumption that cash was included with Benintendi to make the PTBNL's a higher caliber of players to choose from. Makes more sense to me. We don't really know what that means though. $ could have been the reason that KC parted with Khalil Lee w/ no impact on the other two KC prospects, or of course, what the Mets would part with for Lee. Its harder to imagine a situation in which us throwing in cash improves the return on all 4 original pieces. I was talking about the return from KC only. Alex Speier talked about the return from KC would not be as good as the Mets return, so i assumed the the added cash to KC would sweeten the return.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 1, 2021 15:42:46 GMT -5
Last prediction before we get the names this week: I think it will ultimately be one of Jaylen Palmer, Junior Santos, Robert Dominguez, Freddy Valdez, or Joshua Cornielly. I don't think Newton, Butto, Gilliam or Megill fit because of Rule 5 eligibility. We shall see.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 1, 2021 16:10:23 GMT -5
We don't really know what that means though. $ could have been the reason that KC parted with Khalil Lee w/ no impact on the other two KC prospects, or of course, what the Mets would part with for Lee. Its harder to imagine a situation in which us throwing in cash improves the return on all 4 original pieces. I was talking about the return from KC only. Alex Speier talked about the return from KC would not be as good as the Mets return, so i assumed the the added cash to KC would sweeten the return. Right. I'm just saying its possible the $ we kicked in could have sweetened the return by including Khalil Lee in the deal.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 1, 2021 16:11:18 GMT -5
Last prediction before we get the names this week: I think it will ultimately be one of Jaylen Palmer, Junior Santos, Robert Dominguez, Freddy Valdez, or Joshua Cornielly. I don't think Newton, Butto, Gilliam or Megill fit because of Rule 5 eligibility. We shall see. I agree and hope Dominguez is the guy in particular.
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 1, 2021 16:14:34 GMT -5
Last prediction before we get the names this week: I think it will ultimately be one of Jaylen Palmer, Junior Santos, Robert Dominguez, Freddy Valdez, or Joshua Cornielly. I don't think Newton, Butto, Gilliam or Megill fit because of Rule 5 eligibility. We shall see. I agree and hope Dominguez is the guy in particular. Mets righty Robert Dominguez has opened eyes in spring training with a fastball up to 97 mph, as well as a solid breaking ball and changeup. Some scouts even have him pegged as the organization’s second-best pitching prospect, behind only Matt Allan. Agreed. The section above is from a BA article from last month highlighting guys turning heads in minor league camp. Same article tagged Bello as a breakout pitcher. I’ve been convinced that Megill doesn’t necessarily fit the type of player that they probably should be looking for so I’d take Dominguez in a heartbeat.
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Post by splendidsplinter on Jun 1, 2021 16:49:45 GMT -5
Have no idea who it will be but basing my prediction on Bloom’s MO. Expect a high ceiling guy who has underachieved. Of course, the Sox think they know how to fix him. Bloom should be on Wall Street.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 2, 2021 7:08:18 GMT -5
This site lists many Royals players not on mlbpipeline's top 30. Here are a few that seem young enough; no Rule 5 problems; just a few links or stats from 2021 [[in brackets]] www.prospects1500.com/al-central/royals/kansas-city-royals-2021-top-50-prospects/21. Yohanse Morel, RHP story: kingsofkauffman.com/2019/10/23/kansas-city-royals-prospect-rewind-yohanse-morel/Age: 20 Highest Level: Low A Acquired: 2018 Trade (Washington) The ceiling is sky-high for Morel, with a high variance of outcomes still in play. The ability to control the baseball will determine his success. 23. Darryl Collins, OF [[.329 .427 .447 .874 at A in 2021]] Age: 19 Highest Level: Rookie Acquired: 2018 Amateur Free Agency Collins has a line-drive approach which allows him to minimize strikeouts and get on base at .400 clip. He’s still young enough to grow into more power and rise up to Royals’ Top 10 lists throughout the prospect world. 24. Wilmin Candelario, SS Age: 19 Highest Level: Rookie Acquired: 2018 Amateur Free Agency We have a limited sample on Candelario to this point, but the sample has been excellent. Power and speed is evident, with a plus hit tool. He is definitely one to watch. --signed for "$847,500. Baseball America’s Ben Badler spoke highly of Candelario’s defensive footwork and arm strength. "https://www.royalsreview.com/2020/6/29/21301114/better-know-a-prospect-wilmin-candelario 26. Tyler Gentry, OF (#22 pipeline) [[.247 .366 .416 .782 in 2021]] Age: 21 Highest Level: College Acquired: 2020 Draft, Rd 3, Pick 76 The Crimson Tide product has a nice blend of power, speed, and hit. Add in his good plate discipline and you’re looking at a solid big leaguer, if not more. Keep an eye on his transition. 27. Luis De La Rosa, RHP story: www.royalsreview.com/2020/6/22/21296045/better-know-a-prospect-luis-de-la-rosaAge: 18 Highest Level: Rookie Acquired: 2018 Amateur Free Agency This ranking is aggressive for the young hurler, but so far the fastball command paired with an advanced changeup is paying off dividends. 28. Maikel Garcia, SS [[.353 .447 .482 .929 in A in 2021]] Age: 20 Highest Level: Rookie Acquired: 2016 Amateur Free Agency The cousin of Alcides Escobar, Garcia has a present solid hit tool, speed, and good defense. He has moved slowly through the system, and had a good showing recently in the Venezuelan Winter League. 30. Alec Marsh, RHP [[ 21.0ip 14h 9 8bb 0 34k in AA in 2021] Age: 22 Highest Level: Rookie Acquired: 2019 Draft, Rd 2, Pick 70 The former Sun Devil (#ForksUp) had an impressive showing in Idaho Falls, the Royals’ Rookie league affiliate. He possesses excellent control, as evidenced by 4 BB in 33.1 IP. 31. Christian Chamberlain, LHP Age: 21 Highest Level: College Acquired: 2020 Draft, Rd 4, Pick 105 The Royals may give him a chance to start, but I think Chamberlain finds his role in the back end of the bullpen. Doing so should allow his fastball to reside in the mid-90’s, pairing it with a 12-6 curveball that tends to miss a lot of bats.he 2nd round of the 2019 MLB June Amateur Draft from Arizona State University (Tempe, AZ). 50. Samuel Valerio, RHP Age: 19 Highest Level: Rookie Acquired: 2018 Amateur Free Agency Big-framed righthander that throws gas. 3 pitch mix with the ability to remain a starter. He’s a long ways away, so I can’t project him on the 40 man as of now, but that could change with continued growth in 2021.
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 2, 2021 14:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Jun 2, 2021 14:48:18 GMT -5
Would have to be protected in Rule 5 draft so not attractive, right? Debut at 17 in 2016?
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Post by chr31ter on Jun 2, 2021 15:11:51 GMT -5
I have to admit that he's one of the players I'd been keeping tabs on before I started taking the Rule 5 draft into consideration. Wouldn't be shocked if one of PTBNLs from Kansas City is a middle infielder, because they seem to have a ton of them that are all about to be "blocked" by Bobby Witt.
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