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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 11, 2021 12:10:20 GMT -5
Some recent survey had Taiwan as the best country for US expats to live in. Thoughts?
Wow that's shocking. I mean it's a pretty good place to live in, food is great, but it's always my dream to live in Boston. You know what's also my dream? Jack Leiter falling to the Red Sox One of those surveys where it depends heavily on the metrics they use. If memory serves, food was on there, quality of medical care, friendliness of locals, among other things. It's been on my list of places to visit for a while, so that survey stuck in my memory.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 11, 2021 12:15:29 GMT -5
How does anyone let Ben near a baseball team anymore? Davis or Lawler there is no way Chan looks at his board and goes Davis. He's in Boston, not Tampa. I would say the 2013 championship and building the foundation of the 2018 team (much of which is still there) would probably still have Ben's phone ringing even if the Pirates decided to move on from him (which I don't expect anytime soon).
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Post by jdb on Jul 11, 2021 12:19:12 GMT -5
I saw somewhere Will Taylor’s number is $4M. I think he could be a hell of a prospect being a current 3 sport player with Football and wrestling taking up so much time. Just seems like someone who when he concentrates on just baseball will take off. Same HS as PGA’s Dustin Johnson.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 11, 2021 12:21:17 GMT -5
I saw somewhere Will Taylor’s number is $4M. I think he could be a hell of a prospect being a current 3 sport player with Football and wrestling taking up so much time. Just seems like someone who when he concentrates on just baseball will take off. Same HS as PGA’s Dustin Johnson. Would take him as a deep under slot over Harry Ford.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 11, 2021 12:22:10 GMT -5
Said it in the other thread and i will say here. Everyone has Mayer going number one due to talent, but the Pirates pick is going to come down to price from those same people. If that is the case why would Mayer take a discount. If he slips, the worse case for him is Detroit at #3 where he can make 7.2M. With the Rangers, he can make 7.8M. If FanGraphs is correct, and its Mayer and Davis, Davis can give the Pirates a 1.4M dollar discount and make 400k more than he would in Boston. I was going to mention how cutting a deal by one of the top 8 works as a win-win, and that's exactly it. There's a price point where the player does better than expected, and the team saves enough to sign another HS kid at over slot. Said it in the other thread and i will say here. Everyone has Mayer going number one due to talent, but the Pirates pick is going to come down to price from those same people. If that is the case why would Mayer take a discount. If he slips, the worse case for him is Detroit at #3 where he can make 7.2M. With the Rangers, he can make 7.8M. If FanGraphs is correct, and its Mayer and Davis, Davis can give the Pirates a 1.4M dollar discount and make 400k more than he would in Boston. I was thinking this the moment Kiley said something like "the Pirates are listening to offers and will take the one with best value". I don't get why everyone is so sure about Mayer going firstNobody is sure. They just have to pick someone so they're mocking the likeliest guy, but he might have a 40% chance. BA believes their group also includes Davis, Watson, Lawlar, and Leiter, but the last two are not reported to be interested in cutting a deal.
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Post by vmoss on Jul 11, 2021 12:28:17 GMT -5
Any interest in getting P Chase Petty at #40? Thanks.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 11, 2021 12:32:57 GMT -5
Old friend Ben is fitting right in on the Pirates.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 11, 2021 12:48:29 GMT -5
I saw somewhere Will Taylor’s number is $4M. I think he could be a hell of a prospect being a current 3 sport player with Football and wrestling taking up so much time. Just seems like someone who when he concentrates on just baseball will take off. Same HS as PGA’s Dustin Johnson. What fascinates about him is that he has an advanced hit tool which something that is rare with this toolsy multi-sports athletes they're usually speedy guys with huge power potential but they lack of an approach an contact that needs reps to tap into.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 11, 2021 12:56:11 GMT -5
Jack Leiter will be a Redsox tonight. Speak it into existence.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 11, 2021 12:56:38 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 11, 2021 12:58:34 GMT -5
How does anyone let Ben near a baseball team anymore? Davis or Lawler there is no way Chan looks at his board and goes Davis. He's in Boston, not Tampa. I would say the 2013 championship and building the foundation of the 2018 team (much of which is still there) would probably still have Ben's phone ringing even if the Pirates decided to move on from him (which I don't expect anytime soon). Ben wasn't terrible. His huge problem/downfall was hoarding prospects. He was the anti Dombrowski. If he had never been fired Price and Sale never would have been Redsox.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 11, 2021 12:59:29 GMT -5
Jesus...that would be brutal. So maybe the underslot rumors have merit?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 11, 2021 13:04:35 GMT -5
Jesus...that would be brutal. So maybe the underslot rumors have merit? I don’t understand how people could still possibly have this mindset, especially after Nick Yorke’s recent success. It’s almost as bad as the drafting for need idea. How can you say that McClain at 4 is brutal until you see what they do with the rest of the slot savings, which would be pretty considerable? It’s obviously not my ideal pick at 4 but I’m patient enough to see the whole plan take shape before whining about not getting what I want. I’m still hoping for Leiter, Davis, or House, but as a Bruin if they did go this direction it would be pretty cool to have McClain.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 11, 2021 13:06:02 GMT -5
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 11, 2021 13:07:06 GMT -5
Goes with what Gammons and Law said.
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Post by lennsakata on Jul 11, 2021 13:07:46 GMT -5
I would say the 2013 championship and building the foundation of the 2018 team (much of which is still there) would probably still have Ben's phone ringing even if the Pirates decided to move on from him (which I don't expect anytime soon). Ben wasn't terrible. His huge problem/downfall was hoarding prospects. He was the anti Dombrowski. If he had never been fired Price and Sale never would have been Redsox. Wasn’t he also charged with bringing sexy back by the ownership group? I remember wondering who he actually wanted to sign and what was marketing efforts with Panda and others
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 11, 2021 13:11:41 GMT -5
It will be harder for teams to plan for their day 2 and 3 picks with Leiter stonewalling them.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 11, 2021 13:15:59 GMT -5
If the Red Sox go 2 million under slot at #4, how much power do they have to steer specific guys to them at #40?
If they promise Harry Ford $4 million at #40 could they make it happen?
Sounds like a fun negotiating game to be playing right now.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 11, 2021 13:16:16 GMT -5
Jesus...that would be brutal. So maybe the underslot rumors have merit? I don’t understand how people could still possibly have this mindset, especially after Nick Yorke’s recent success. It’s almost as bad as the drafting for need idea. How can you say that McClain at 4 is brutal until you see what they do with the rest of the slot savings, which would be pretty considerable? It’s obviously not my ideal pick at 4 but I’m patient enough to see the whole plan take shape before whining about not getting what I want. I’m still hoping for Leiter, Davis, or House, but as a Bruin if they did go this direction it would be pretty cool to have McClain. Not going to pretend I have any scouting insight or whatnot, so I can't at all speak to the quality of the specific players. But I will say I would expect a much different mindset when we're drafting number 4 vs when we're drafting 17th. So, if we think the guy is basically equal to the top-tier talent in this draft AND we can save some slot money drafting him, then that'd be great. But if we're passing up a chance to get a premier talent just so we have money to sign another pretty good player later, I'd agree with calling that "brutal".
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Post by jimoh on Jul 11, 2021 13:17:17 GMT -5
Jesus...that would be brutal. So maybe the underslot rumors have merit? I don’t understand how people could still possibly have this mindset, especially after Nick Yorke’s recent success. It’s almost as bad as the drafting for need idea. How can you say that McClain at 4 is brutal until you see what they do with the rest of the slot savings, which would be pretty considerable? It’s obviously not my ideal pick at 4 but I’m patient enough to see the whole plan take shape before whining about not getting what I want. I’m still hoping for Leiter, Davis, or House, but as a Bruin if they did go this direction it would be pretty cool to have McClain. Hmm, John Valentin averaged just over 5 bWAR in his seasons 2 through 7.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 11, 2021 13:21:54 GMT -5
Just reminded myself that slot for #4 is $6,664,000, #40 is $1,856,700. Whom could they get for $3-3.5M at #40 that would be worth it?
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Post by nomar on Jul 11, 2021 13:22:52 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 11, 2021 13:27:22 GMT -5
Nobody knows anything.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 11, 2021 13:28:40 GMT -5
Just reminded myself that slot for #4 is $6,664,000, #40 is $1,856,700. Whom could they get for $3-3.5M at #40 that would be worth it? No idea, but I kind of hope if we're saving money on the top pick, it ends up being spent in, say, round 3, on a guy who fell because signability. It just seems like we could get a really good talent at number 40 without needing to use extra slot cash to do so. But that's juts kind of a random thought.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 11, 2021 13:28:40 GMT -5
McLain sounds like a no-Leiter plan B. Maybe even a no-Leiter or Davis Plan C.
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