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Post by unitspin on Jul 11, 2021 13:29:13 GMT -5
If mayer, crash and leiter come off the board and house or rocker will take underslot to come to the red sox then that makes sense. Otherwise, take the best player available in bloom and co minds. He has done a good job so far targeting young talent, I'll bite my lip and run with it even if its a guy in not big on.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 11, 2021 13:32:46 GMT -5
Just reminded myself that slot for #4 is $6,664,000, #40 is $1,856,700. Whom could they get for $3-3.5M at #40 that would be worth it? It seems to me that all the the under slot at #4 candidates are also overslot at #40 candidates. Especially high schoolers.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 11, 2021 13:37:23 GMT -5
NESN, citing ESPN: "The slotting system makes it more difficult to just buy prospects, but saving on slot money up top could put the Red Sox in a beneficial position as early as their second pick at No. 40. Two players to keep an eye on in that scenario? According to ESPN, the Sox could opt against the high school shortstops up top before drafting and trying to sign one of another pair of prep shortstops: Payton Green out of North Carolina (NC State commit) and Edwin Arroyo out of Florida (Florida State commit)." nesn.com/2021/07/red-sox-shaping-up-to-be-biggest-wild-card-in-2021-mlb-draft/
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Post by Costigan on Jul 11, 2021 13:38:00 GMT -5
I love the fun of the constant mock updates, but I try to keep this mentality the whole time haha
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 11, 2021 13:39:20 GMT -5
I love the fun of the constant mock updates, but I try to keep this mentality the whole time haha See pats
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 11, 2021 13:39:25 GMT -5
Jesus...that would be brutal. So maybe the underslot rumors have merit? I don’t understand how people could still possibly have this mindset, especially after Nick Yorke’s recent success. It’s almost as bad as the drafting for need idea. How can you say that McClain at 4 is brutal until you see what they do with the rest of the slot savings, which would be pretty considerable? It’s obviously not my ideal pick at 4 but I’m patient enough to see the whole plan take shape before whining about not getting what I want. I’m still hoping for Leiter, Davis, or House, but as a Bruin if they did go this direction it would be pretty cool to have McClain. Would you rather have a quarter in your pocket or two dimes and a nickle? If they pass on any of the HS SS prospects or Leiter to get an underslot guy you're essentially hoping that you get two players who can contribute and might equal the impact of the person picked at 4. The top of this draft is lauded because of its top end depth. The reason why no one knows who will be #1 is because literally 6 or 7 of these players could be #1 in a few drafts. So the Sox decide to go with McClain who is way down the list so they can get Ford later in the draft... I get the Nick Yorke thing but they were also picking in the middle of the round and didn't have a 2nd rounder. Looking back that made sense. This would not. Especially for a system that desperately needs top end talent.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 11, 2021 13:39:37 GMT -5
Just reminded myself that slot for #4 is $6,664,000, #40 is $1,856,700. Whom could they get for $3-3.5M at #40 that would be worth it? Gunnar Hoglund Bubba Chandler Will Taylor Jaden Hill Jud Fabian Just to name a few.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 11, 2021 13:40:26 GMT -5
I don't know anything, but Matt McClain + Will Taylor would have me pretty damn excited.
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Post by mainesox on Jul 11, 2021 13:42:09 GMT -5
I don't dislike Davis I just want to aim higher with the No. 4 "He'll be good if they change the rules" doesn't inspire confidence at 4. Yeah, of all the consensus top guys he's the one I want the least. The combination of questionable defense and a "strength based" swing (rather than batspeed) has me uninterested. Not saying that I'll be upset if they take him - they're clearly more knowledgeable than I am, and I do trust Bloom to make the right call - but I will be disappointed for sure.
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Post by kman22 on Jul 11, 2021 13:43:15 GMT -5
Just reminded myself that slot for #4 is $6,664,000, #40 is $1,856,700. Whom could they get for $3-3.5M at #40 that would be worth it? Gunnar Hoglund Bubba Chandler Will Taylor Jaden Hill Jud Fabian Just to name a few. Feel like Hoglund, Taylor, and Fabian all go round one, almost guaranteed.
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Post by jdb on Jul 11, 2021 13:45:13 GMT -5
I plan on waiting to see day 2 before I freak out about our first pick.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 11, 2021 13:46:26 GMT -5
If they indeed go the “savings” route they have to have a wide net of players for the 40th pick because even though players throw big bonus demands out there it just takes one team to take them. So the savings will impact probably picks 1-5 in some capacity I’d say.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 11, 2021 13:47:50 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 11, 2021 13:53:45 GMT -5
Gunnar Hoglund Bubba Chandler Will Taylor Jaden Hill Jud Fabian Just to name a few. Feel like Hoglund, Taylor, and Fabian all go round one, almost guaranteed. Yeah that’s why we can’t really project, not even the teams themselves can project who is going to fall. Maybe when you get to pick 25 you can start to get an idea if you can push a player down but even then it just takes one team to draft them.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 11, 2021 13:55:27 GMT -5
My problem with McClain is simply the fact he isn't projected to hit for much power in a league where infielders are now hitting for power. He also doesn't have a true position. Why take a guy like that at 4? I'd argue if they take him there hes probably slotting into the top 10 at 7-9. Floor is higher than the other players available but that ceiling is a lot lower. Reminds me of Colin Moran. Will probably turn out to be a decent regular/bench player but hes probably not going to be superstar level.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 11, 2021 14:03:56 GMT -5
For McClane, in Los Angeles, I'd say his floor is about 30, but his ceiling is about 35. Even if he gets to that floor, we'd be celebrating like Christmas.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 11, 2021 14:08:24 GMT -5
For McClane, in Los Angeles, I'd say his floor is about 30, but his ceiling is about 35. Even if he gets to that floor, we'd be celebrating like Christmas. I see what you did there.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 11, 2021 14:15:59 GMT -5
Law goes Mayer, Rocker, Leiter, Davis 1-4 this afternoon
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 11, 2021 14:31:12 GMT -5
Law goes Mayer, Rocker, Leiter, Davis 1-4 this afternoon Law has had the Tigers taking Leiter from the beginning, when everyone else has them likely taking Jobe or House, because he thinks it would best for them, and therefore they must be thinking the same way.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 11, 2021 15:15:17 GMT -5
My predictions, based totally on gut feel and worth nothing at all:
1. PIT - Watson
2. TEX - Mayer
3. DET - House 4. BOS - Leiter 5. BAL - Lawlar 6. ARI - Davis 7. KC - Rocker 8. COL - Jobe
I'm surprised at how low folks here seem to have gotten on Davis. People seemed to hear Kiley's discussion on the podcast as a negative take on him, but I really didn't; it seemed to me more like "Davis is amazing but if you had to search out some flaws here's what you could say..." If Leiter or the shortstops had been the focus of the conversation I think he could have done the same with them.
I will be absolutely content with whoever Bloom & Co. chooses, including an underslot deal (unless it's a high school pitcher). But if I were to order them by how excited I would be to hear their names called at #4, I might go:
Davis Mayer Watson Leiter Lawlar Rocker House
No Jobe, please and thank you.
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Post by nomar on Jul 11, 2021 15:21:33 GMT -5
I’ll be happy with any of Leiter, Davis, House, Watson, or Lawlar.
If we go underslot I’d rather go Ford than McLain though.
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 11, 2021 15:32:55 GMT -5
I am really hoping for Leiter, but the only real disappointment I would have is if they punted on the top 6-7 guys for an under-slot pick. I don't hate that strategy normally, but when you're picking this high (and you most likely won't be again anytime soon because you can spend big $) I think you need to take one of the top, elite guys on your board.
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Post by rismith on Jul 11, 2021 15:33:11 GMT -5
Agree on Ford. Is McLain a 2B long term? Just don't see the upside and we rarely get this kind of pick....
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Post by radiohix on Jul 11, 2021 15:49:00 GMT -5
Agree on Ford. Is McLain a 2B long term? Just don't see the upside and we rarely get this kind of pick.... With his speed he can play CF
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 11, 2021 15:54:18 GMT -5
I am really hoping for Leiter, but the only real disappointment I would have is if they punted on the top 6-7 guys for an under-slot pick. I don't hate that strategy normally, but when you're picking this high (and you most likely won't be again anytime soon because you can spend big $) I think you need to take one of the top, elite guys on your board. If they go under slot, it has to be that they think the guy belonged with the top 8. And they would keep that as secret as nuclear launch codes. It would be Nick Yorke V 2.0.
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