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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 11, 2021 15:58:58 GMT -5
Davis Mayer Watson Leiter Lawlar Rocker House
No Jobe, please and thank you.
Yeah, realistically I'm gonna talk myself into anything they do. Jobe would bum me out just cause high school pitchers are no fun to root for as prospects. 60 pitches once a week in Low-A is a lot less fun than what Benintendi did.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 11, 2021 15:59:26 GMT -5
If they pick McClain it would be like something the organization did several times before Bloom came, which is to pick a player who looked better last year than this year.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 11, 2021 16:03:46 GMT -5
I am going
1.) Mayer 2.) leiter 3.) Davis 4.) rocker 5.) lawlar 6.) house 7.) Kalil
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Post by incandenza on Jul 11, 2021 16:05:12 GMT -5
If they pick McClain it would be like something the organization did several times before Bloom came, which is to pick a player who looked better last year than this year. Who did they do that with?
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Post by bcsox on Jul 11, 2021 16:07:23 GMT -5
If they pick Leiter and sign him for his slot money, how does the rest of the top 10 round picks look. Are they more or less going to have to go slot or slightly below the rest of the way. Essentially if they go Leiter and sign him for slot, does that more or less prevent them from taking someone like Jaden Hill at 40 if he is there?
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Post by incandenza on Jul 11, 2021 16:11:23 GMT -5
Another point about draft philosophy... Don't position players tend to provide more value within the 6-year team control window than pitchers? I'm thinking of a recent #4 pick like Kevin Gausman who is turning out to justify his draft position; it's just that it's not redounding to the benefit of the team that drafted him. That seems like an argument for favoring position players in the draft and pitchers in free agency.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Jul 11, 2021 16:13:40 GMT -5
I am going: 1.) Mayer 2.) Lawler 3.) Davis 4.) Leiter 5.) Watson 6.) Rocker 7.) Jobe
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 11, 2021 16:16:57 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 11, 2021 16:20:08 GMT -5
McClain “ YIPEE Kay yeah Mother F*cker”
The Pirates should have all the prospects on roll call and have one of those bidders on the line , but instead of it going up, it’s who takes the lower bid. ‘ Anyone starting the bid at 2 million, do I have 1.9 , Sold for 1.9 million Watson SS. First pick.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 11, 2021 16:31:43 GMT -5
If they pick McClain it would be like something the organization did several times before Bloom came, which is to pick a player who looked better last year than this year. Who did they do that with? Jed Lowrie, for one. I was asked by the team to look into whether declining statistically from the previous college year was a red flag. In my model, the previous year was not significant, so I said no (and the model already liked Lowrie, based on the relative down year). Jed Hoyer's reply was "Interesting. Bill James had it the other way." So I may have had some influence on that pick (though I suspect I just made them feel better about something they wanted to do). I get a kick seeing Lowrie still playing 16 years later.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 11, 2021 16:33:22 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jul 11, 2021 16:35:28 GMT -5
If they pick McClain it would be like something the organization did several times before Bloom came, which is to pick a player who looked better last year than this year. Who did they do that with? JBJ comes to mind.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 11, 2021 16:35:44 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 11, 2021 16:36:30 GMT -5
First time I heard of Davis Diaz lol
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jul 11, 2021 16:41:51 GMT -5
First time I heard of Davis Diaz lol Per MLB pipeline he's the top prospect from Northern California. Blooms got a type if this happens.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 11, 2021 16:42:24 GMT -5
Two thoughts on Leiter.
Of course he's just bluffing about going back to Vandy if the Rangers take him. But why would you want to bring a guy into an organization with him really pissed at you?r organization? Terrible idea.
Is it possible that Leiter wants to play for the Sox so much that he would go slightly under slot, say, taking slot 5 money (480K less)? It's certainly possible that the Sox have told him, "we haven't finished our draft board and you're in the top 3" (a true statement even if he's #1 at the time, and not dishonest if that's by a slight margin and has been changed a few times already), "but cut us a bit of a deal and it's done."
But I also like to think that they think he has clear ace upside rather than #2.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 11, 2021 16:43:49 GMT -5
Who did they do that with? JBJ comes to mind. Wasn't Vitek a guy like that too?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 11, 2021 16:44:58 GMT -5
I’m going
Lawlar Leiter Jobe Mayer
Yeah, that’s right. I want to be different.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 11, 2021 16:46:20 GMT -5
MLB's coverage seems to start at 6, and maybe with a mock.
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Post by chr31ter on Jul 11, 2021 16:51:07 GMT -5
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Post by beninri on Jul 11, 2021 16:56:41 GMT -5
I'm surprised at how low folks here seem to have gotten on Davis. People seemed to hear Kiley's discussion on the podcast as a negative take on him, but I really didn't; it seemed to me more like "Davis is amazing but if you had to search out some flaws here's what you could say..." If Leiter or the shortstops had been the focus of the conversation I think he could have done the same with them.
I will be absolutely content with whoever Bloom & Co. chooses, including an underslot deal (unless it's a high school pitcher). But if I were to order them by how excited I would be to hear their names called at #4, I might go:
Davis Mayer Watson Leiter Lawlar Rocker House 1. Hearing that his swing is strength-based and not bat-speed-based is worrying, because that means he'll be more vulnerable to elite velocity. 2. He struck out 34 percent of his at-bats in college this year. He had more Ks than hits. That's also worrying. 3. If robo umps aren't in the next CBA, he's probably going to have to move to a corner, which makes the bat caveats a lot more important.
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Post by beninri on Jul 11, 2021 16:57:18 GMT -5
I'm surprised at how low folks here seem to have gotten on Davis. People seemed to hear Kiley's discussion on the podcast as a negative take on him, but I really didn't; it seemed to me more like "Davis is amazing but if you had to search out some flaws here's what you could say..." If Leiter or the shortstops had been the focus of the conversation I think he could have done the same with them.
I will be absolutely content with whoever Bloom & Co. chooses, including an underslot deal (unless it's a high school pitcher). But if I were to order them by how excited I would be to hear their names called at #4, I might go:
Davis Mayer Watson Leiter Lawlar Rocker House 1. Hearing that his swing is strength-based and not bat-speed-based is worrying, because that means he'll be more vulnerable to elite velocity. 2. He struck out 34 percent of his at-bats in college this year. He had more Ks than hits. That's also worrying. 3. If robo umps aren't in the next CBA, he's probably going to have to move to a corner, which makes the bat caveats a lot more important. Now, I'm not a scout and I'm sure the Sox have smarter guys than me making these decisions. But that's just my feelings so far with everything I've read/heard.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 11, 2021 16:59:40 GMT -5
I'm surprised at how low folks here seem to have gotten on Davis. People seemed to hear Kiley's discussion on the podcast as a negative take on him, but I really didn't; it seemed to me more like "Davis is amazing but if you had to search out some flaws here's what you could say..." If Leiter or the shortstops had been the focus of the conversation I think he could have done the same with them.
I will be absolutely content with whoever Bloom & Co. chooses, including an underslot deal (unless it's a high school pitcher). But if I were to order them by how excited I would be to hear their names called at #4, I might go:
Davis Mayer Watson Leiter Lawlar Rocker House 1. Hearing that his swing is strength-based and not bat-speed-based is worrying, because that means he'll be more vulnerable to elite velocity. 2. He struck out 34 percent of his at-bats in college this year. He had more Ks than hits. That's also worrying.3. If robo umps aren't in the next CBA, he's probably going to have to move to a corner, which makes the bat caveats a lot more important. He had 24 Ks in 184 ABs. 13 percent.
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Post by beninri on Jul 11, 2021 17:01:19 GMT -5
1. Hearing that his swing is strength-based and not bat-speed-based is worrying, because that means he'll be more vulnerable to elite velocity. 2. He struck out 34 percent of his at-bats in college this year. He had more Ks than hits. That's also worrying.3. If robo umps aren't in the next CBA, he's probably going to have to move to a corner, which makes the bat caveats a lot more important. He had 24 Ks in 184 ABs. 13 percent. Interesting, BA has college stats here and it says he had 66 Ks in 193 ABs www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2021-mlb-draft-stats-for-college-hitters/
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 11, 2021 17:03:00 GMT -5
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