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Post by bluechip on Jul 13, 2021 19:42:46 GMT -5
Considering Danny Santana has started a number of games at first for the Red Sox, I’m not against having some masher in the minors who plays that position. You mean like; Franchy Cordero, Tyreque Reed Joe Davis? I prefer that the team in the future not have to try to teach someone like Franchy Cordero a new position in June.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 14, 2021 0:54:43 GMT -5
You mean like; Franchy Cordero, Tyreque Reed Joe Davis? I prefer that the team in the future not have to try to teach someone like Franchy Cordero a new position in June. He has played the infield before so I look at this as being smart and exploring all options. Sure it isn't ideal but it is creative. Isn't playing 1st base the easiest position on the field.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 14, 2021 1:01:52 GMT -5
A big thanks to all who posted here.
I don't follow amateur baseball so everyone drafted anywhere is new to me.
Once again, I think I now have the basics for future use but that's thanks to you all.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 14, 2021 6:01:00 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 14, 2021 6:30:42 GMT -5
Could be a future DH for the Sox. This guy's power is exciting even if the comp to Eric Hinske minus the defensive flexibility is not.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 14, 2021 6:48:31 GMT -5
I prefer that the team in the future not have to try to teach someone like Franchy Cordero a new position in June. He has played the infield before so I look at this as being smart and exploring all options. Sure it isn't ideal but it is creative. Isn't playing 1st base the easiest position on the field.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2021 6:55:03 GMT -5
He has played the infield before so I look at this as being smart and exploring all options. Sure it isn't ideal but it is creative. Isn't playing 1st base the easiest position on the field. Neither of you are the guy who tried to argue with me on Twitter that first base is the hardest defensive position are you? Lol.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 14, 2021 7:09:51 GMT -5
It's now being reported that in the 2022 draft the Angels plan on drafting 20 position players.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 14, 2021 8:15:43 GMT -5
You mean like; Franchy Cordero, Tyreque Reed Joe Davis? I prefer that the team in the future not have to try to teach someone like Franchy Cordero a new position in June. Not a great situation because of the need at the major league level, but "fringy guy learns a new position so he can stick" will be part of baseball forever.
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Post by eagleeye9184 on Jul 14, 2021 8:33:21 GMT -5
How much did the aging curve analysis play a part in the BoSox strategy? The BoSox drafted a number of players who are young for their peer groups, both at the prep and college levels. Is this one of the criteria the BoSox use when assembling their draft board? Are they unique in this respect, or do all teams use this as an analytical evaluation tool?
Thanks for the draft coverage and all who contributed. This has been, as always, a fun 3 days following the draft.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 14, 2021 8:45:50 GMT -5
How much did the aging curve analysis play a part in the BoSox strategy? The BoSox drafted a number of players who are young for their peer groups, both at the prep and college levels. Is this one of the criteria the BoSox use when assembling their draft board? Are they unique in this respect, or do all teams use this as an analytical evaluation tool? Thanks for the draft coverage and all who contributed. This has been, as always, a fun 3 days following the draft. There are studies showing that age and relative age to his peers are significant negative indicators of a players likelihood of reaching the Majors. The Red Sox, and many other teams, rely heavily on models which consider this. It's not impossible to overcome (e.g Bobby Witt last year was old for his class, everyone knew that, took it into account and still he was a consensus top player), but it does hurt a player in the eyes of these models.
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Jul 14, 2021 10:22:00 GMT -5
Thank you to the moderators for the coverage and Chris and Ian and company!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2021 11:55:49 GMT -5
How much did the aging curve analysis play a part in the BoSox strategy? The BoSox drafted a number of players who are young for their peer groups, both at the prep and college levels. Is this one of the criteria the BoSox use when assembling their draft board? Are they unique in this respect, or do all teams use this as an analytical evaluation tool? Thanks for the draft coverage and all who contributed. This has been, as always, a fun 3 days following the draft. A lot of teams are now incorporating analytical models and relying on them to varying degrees. The Sox clearly incorporate models into their amateur scouting (Toboni shouted out Dan Meyer and his group this year and did last year as well), but they're not as reliant as other teams that have significantly cut down on their amateur scouting departments (like the Angels, for example - more on that below). Those models tend to love guys who are younger. That's not an insignificant part of why guys like Casas and Jordan, who'd have been old for their draft years, reclassified to come out of HS a year sooner. As for the Angels, Ian wondered on the podcast we recorded last night whether the fact they gutted their scouting department and are probably relying more on analytical scouting (pitch data, etc.) played a part in their no-hitter draft. It's an intriguing theory, as it's a lot easier to get reliable data on pitchers than hitters right now.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 14, 2021 12:01:43 GMT -5
They paid 11 kajillion dollars for Pujols but they can't afford a scouting department? Talk about penny-wise and pound-foolish. Especially if they're saying "we'll just rely on data" and then... there's not reliable data on *hitters in general*.
Given that a few teams went so pitcher-heavy I wondered if there was a specific analytic approach that just said pitchers were being systematically undervalued in the draft. Maybe the LA teams both bought into that theory, whatever it's based on.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2021 12:05:38 GMT -5
They paid 11 kajillion dollars for Pujols but they can't afford a scouting department? Talk about penny-wise and pound-foolish. Especially if they're saying "we'll just rely on data" and then... there's not reliable data on *hitters in general*. Given that a few teams went so pitcher-heavy I wondered if there was a specific analytic approach that just said pitchers were being systematically undervalued in the draft. Maybe the LA teams both bought into that theory, whatever it's based on. Got 1 or 2 scheduled or potential podcast guests I want to ask about the pitcher-heavy thing. Cleveland did it too.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 14, 2021 13:07:55 GMT -5
Neither of you are the guy who tried to argue with me on Twitter that first base is the hardest defensive position are you? Lol. I am certainly not going to argue that first base is the hardest position. I just love that scene in Moneyball.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 14, 2021 13:16:35 GMT -5
Constantly refreshing email (Patreon) & Spotify in anticipation of the new pod
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Post by nomar on Jul 14, 2021 14:09:44 GMT -5
I really think the Angels are just throwing crap (being 100 college arms, not talking quality) at the wall and seeing what sticks. They need to put together a semblance of a decent staff/pen while they have all this position player talent at the MLB level and towards the top of the minors. If they’re skimping on scouting that’s moronic, but I think they’re more feeling the pressure of having 2 generational talents and letting them go to waste.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 14, 2021 14:16:55 GMT -5
Imagine if all the arms they drafted ends up pushing out a pitcher who turns into a Cy-Young candidate 6 years from now. That would just be awful.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 14, 2021 14:18:26 GMT -5
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jul 14, 2021 14:18:33 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jul 14, 2021 14:35:01 GMT -5
Mason McRae is a guy who has been following prospects with a heavy skew toward analytics and built a 700 prospect draft list. Up at the top, I'll admit he's relatively down on Mayer compared to consensus and ranks him at #5, only one spot in front of Trey Sweeney who he loves. So as you can see, he's not afraid to deviate from consensus and like I said, is heavy into analytics. With that said, I'm going to post some of his write-ups for our picks which I found to be quite interesting: Day 3 picks : Niko Kavadas (#232): Christopher Troye (#237): Luis Guerrero (#356): Josh Hood (#437):
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Post by jimoh on Jul 15, 2021 8:56:18 GMT -5
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 15, 2021 10:45:42 GMT -5
No Sure if you need a sub for this, but D1baseball.com has a UDFA tracker page: You'll note the Angels have already signed 11 players, and yes some are pitchers (+ 3 catchers) link
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Post by radiohix on Jul 15, 2021 11:40:30 GMT -5
No Sure if you need a sub for this, but D1baseball.com has a UDFA tracker page: You'll note the Angels have already signed 11 players, and yes some are pitchers (+ 3 catchers) linkYou'll some bodies to catch all those pitchers lol
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