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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 7, 2021 8:27:31 GMT -5
We're going to win this series.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 7, 2021 8:28:34 GMT -5
In hindsight, Boston probably could've shelled out enough to beat the $1.8 million Collin McHugh got from the Rays. Like, obviously Boston thought he could be pretty good since he did for the Rays what the Red Sox signed him to do last year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 7, 2021 8:32:54 GMT -5
In hindsight, Boston probably could've shelled out enough to beat the $1.8 million Collin McHugh got from the Rays. Like, obviously Boston thought he could be pretty good since he did for the Rays what the Red Sox signed him to do last year. Red Sox Payroll on Twitter has them at $209M+ for the season, so maybe they couldn't, actually. The thing is they picked the wrong guy signing Andriese instead.
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Post by cba82 on Oct 7, 2021 8:39:33 GMT -5
The Rays average attendance during the regular season was 9,513 per game.
Time for the fraudulent fans to show up and pretend they were there all year.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 7, 2021 8:39:48 GMT -5
Heh, that's crazy. Maybe they couldn't then!
But yeah, Andriese, Marwin Gonzalez (who did make sense when it wasn't clear Arroyo was decent), Danny Santana, Garrett Richards, Martin Perez. Like, I guess there was the case that Richards and Perez could possibly eat more innings than McHugh could. And then the weak performance of the bullpen necessitating a lot of nickel and dime fixes - Workman made about half of what McHugh did and he didn't help at all, for example.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 7, 2021 8:49:28 GMT -5
Yeah they threw a bunch of darts at the wall and inevitably some of them didn’t work out. Luckily the ones that didn’t work out, they’ll be able to cut ties with all of them.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 7, 2021 9:07:20 GMT -5
Yeah, definitely not faulting them. Was more agreeing generally with James' point that it would've been nice to have re-signed McHugh and that, in theory, they could and probably should have topped that offer, but even at his price tag, it wasn't like they could've just added him assuming Red Sox Payroll is correct. But yeah, definitely not a "woulda coulda shoulda" point, so fair to point that out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 7, 2021 9:08:56 GMT -5
The Rays average attendance during the regular season was 9,513 per game. Time for the fraudulent fans to show up and pretend they were there all year. They actually have a decent fan base. They just don't want to go to the Trop. Build a nice park that's actually in Tampa that's easier to get to and more people will go.
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Post by dangermike on Oct 7, 2021 9:18:16 GMT -5
The Rays average attendance during the regular season was 9,513 per game. Time for the fraudulent fans to show up and pretend they were there all year. They actually have a decent fan base. They just don't want to go to the Trop. Build a nice park that's actually in Tampa that's easier to get to and more people will go. have lived in st pete- currently live in tampa. rays fans (and tampa sports fans in general) are for sure awful. maybe not frauds entirely but they are a tough bunch to be around.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 7, 2021 9:59:44 GMT -5
From: Chris Cotillo @chriscotillo
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 7, 2021 10:01:34 GMT -5
So, Perez and Santana on, no Duran...only surprises for me. Leaving Sawamura and Darwinzon off not a surprise. and - whoa! Just noticed Barnes is not on the roster. Sad, but probably makes sense.
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Post by jkfer98 on Oct 7, 2021 10:08:36 GMT -5
Man, what a fall off for Matt Barnes. From all-star to not making the ALDS roster.
Not saying it's related, but since signing his extension on 7/11: 17.2 IP, 6.11 ERA, 5.66 FIP, .873 OPS, 1.642 WHIP.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 7, 2021 10:51:22 GMT -5
I just spent some time looking through Tampa's roster (the offensive side of things, not pitchers) - what an odd bunch. A few out-of-nowhere big seasons (Lowe, Zunino, Meadows) - promising young players (Franco, Arozarena) - but the stats don't really show how/why they win so much. This will be a fascinating series for sure. Lowe particularly seemed to kill the Sox this year - they need a particularly good strategy to face him. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2021 10:55:34 GMT -5
Wow. No Barnes. Amazing. As soon as he signed his big extension his performance flatlined. Still, I would think him over Perez? I have no beef with them leaving off Sawamura. Between his walks and HRs allowed, TB would be rough on him and I don't see Darwinzon not having his lack of control exploited so that makes sense. I guess with Perez making it, it's more that they think he can be a 3 out lefty or give them length if necessary? So that's 3 lefties for the pen. The more I think about it, Perez over Darwinzon makes sense.
I'm disappointed with Santana over Duran because at this point I don't see what Santana can do for them over Duran. I mean, at this point you're talking a pinch-runner? I can't imagine they're going to bring Santana in as a PH as if he's a much better option than Duran. So when it comes to pinch-running for say a Shaw if he gets on, wouldn't you want Duran to be running the bases? He's as fast a guy I've seen since Ellsbury. Not sure I agree with that decision.
I think the Rays go with 4 rookie starters, no? I would think if Game 4 occurs they go with Rasmussen who has been tough on the Sox? They're going with McClanahan, Baz, and Patino first three I think. Geez, the Rays should be good for some time with those 3. They really did a number on the Padres in that Snell deal. Can't imagine the Sox see much of Yarlborough or Fleming after the way the Sox teed off on those two.
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Post by taiwansox on Oct 7, 2021 11:01:06 GMT -5
Matt Barnes is our Gerrit Cole, overpaying for past sticky stuff performance. Barnes’ drop off is staggering though, he almost needs to transform from a high strikeout pitcher to a contact pitcher if he can’t get enough difference between his fastball and curve
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Post by aznpopsical on Oct 7, 2021 11:05:27 GMT -5
barnes left off the roster, me likey
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 7, 2021 11:07:32 GMT -5
Can we copy the player list to the header post ?
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Post by malynn19 on Oct 7, 2021 11:14:45 GMT -5
Sox in 5.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 7, 2021 11:24:38 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Oct 7, 2021 11:47:05 GMT -5
From: Chris Cotillo @chriscotillo Barnes couldn't beat out Austin Davis or Perez? Wow
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Post by incandenza on Oct 7, 2021 11:57:20 GMT -5
A key point (which some here have made): The fact that the Red Sox' bullpen was a weakness in the scond half of the season should matteer much, much less; most of the weakest links (Barnes, Sawamura, Hernandez) aren't even on the roster.
If the series goes 5 games with no extra innings, they'll need to cobble together 45 IP (maybe 43 or 44). Ideally they could get 8 out of Rodriguez and Sale (5 as starters in games 1 and 2, and 3 in an all-hands-on-deck game 5), 5 out of Eovaldi, 5 out of Pivetta as a starter, 10 out of Whitlock and Houck combined. That's 36 innings, with just 9 to divvy up between Robles, Ottavino, Richards. etc. If one or two starters can't last 5 innings then that's a bit more for the relievers, but still, I think the pitching matches up pretty well with the Rays in a 5-game series.
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Post by cdj on Oct 7, 2021 12:05:44 GMT -5
Perez has been really good against lefties this year and you know he’s not usually going to be all over the place, makes sense why they went with him in the playoffs. Especially when he can also give some length
Only way I understand Santana over Duran is defensive value. He’s been better in CF than Duran has been in a smallish sample.
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Post by nomar on Oct 7, 2021 12:23:44 GMT -5
Barnes has been struggling to grind out outs against quad A players so I don’t blame them
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 7, 2021 12:36:07 GMT -5
Perez has been really good against lefties this year and you know he’s not usually going to be all over the place, makes sense why they went with him in the playoffs. Especially when he can also give some length Only way I understand Santana over Duran is defensive value. He’s been better in CF than Duran has been in a smallish sample. The gain in positional versatility is greater than the speed loss.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 7, 2021 12:51:52 GMT -5
It's clear that they wanted to add a LHP to the pen and subtract a RHP. So it comes down to who Cora trusts least at this point, Ottavino, Richard, or Barnes. Ottavino's had some rough outings but given his long track record will presumably get himself straightened out. Richards has been bad his last 4 or 5 outings, but he was tremendous before that.
So the choice they made suggests some realistic hope or even confidence that Richards can return to the form that actually made him a strong closer candidate. IOW, Richards has been great much more recently than Barnes, and they have a better idea of how to get him at his best..
As for the other roster change, Santana is obviously better than Duran Duran. That's all I've got.
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