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Post by baseball3 on Nov 23, 2021 4:03:23 GMT -5
I see that more as Bloom didn't want to give him a long-term deal. If Bloom wanted him back, you make offers to show ERod you want him. Yet I'm even more confused because Bloom said they made offers. How do you make an offer that doesn't discuss years? I might be way off, yet given what I've heard about what happened, I get they pulled a Lester with ERod. Where it was so bad, there was no reason even going back to them. It was clear it wasn't going to work. Let's see what Bloom does, not a fan of how this has started though. They made a reported offer mid season 2021. I would venture to guess a 2 or 3 year deal. I'm also guessing no serious offer was made this off-season based on the assumption years weren't discussed. Sox say they made multiple "offers." They made one trying to get a sweetheart deal. Didn't work.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 23, 2021 10:45:50 GMT -5
ERod has never been a guy I’ve been excited about the prospect of him pitching a big game. Maybe that’s my head trash but his career ERA is over 4 and his post season numbers are worse. Maybe Bloom just had no desire of committing 5 years at Eovaldi type money to a guy he isn’t confident can be a strong post season option. Think comfortable as a top 2 guy in your rotation. Seems reasonable to me. I don't know what Bloom's logic was, but I could not be more certain that it wasn't based on a 23 IP sample size of Eduardo's postseason performance (in which he has a sub-4 FIP and xFIP in any event).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 23, 2021 10:55:29 GMT -5
ERod has never been a guy I’ve been excited about the prospect of him pitching a big game. Maybe that’s my head trash but his career ERA is over 4 and his post season numbers are worse. Maybe Bloom just had no desire of committing 5 years at Eovaldi type money to a guy he isn’t confident can be a strong post season option. Think comfortable as a top 2 guy in your rotation. Seems reasonable to me. I don't know what Bloom's logic was, but I could not be more certain that it wasn't based on a 23 IP sample size of Eduardo's postseason performance (in which he has a sub-4 FIP and xFIP in any event). Yeah, I don't get the postseason failure angle. Four starts. One dud. A strong World Series start with no days of rest which resulted in 5 shutout innings and a bad 6th when Cora mistakenly left him in too long - an obvious mistake that Cora admitted to and was kicking himself for. The dud against Tampa in the ALDS, and two strong starts, against TB and Houston. Honestly, if the ALCS went 7 games, I feel they would have had a legit chance with E-Rod pitching. He was pitching very well at that point. So this he's an October failure doesn't really hold water. You can make a much better case for Sale being an October disappointment as he's only had 2 good starts in the post-season including his final one where he pitched well for 5 innings and then ran out of gas in the 6th and had the bullpen torch the game from there on in. Either way Detroit got a highly affordable contract for a guy who's a decent pitcher even when his numbers don't match up with his his peripherals - and he's only 28. I mean, really, who better is out there on the market for the money and youth that Bloom can pick up? Otherwise you trade assets for a pitcher and you went from E-Rod and assets (for something else) to replacement and less assets. Either way, I really don't know what Bloom saw that makes him thing there's better out there than E-Rod than won't cost a fortune. I mean, is Bloom really going to give Scherzer crazy money or pay the Cy Young premium amount for Ray? Highly doubtful. So who out there is better that's not going to cost them more? I don't think Matz is better and Rodon was great last year, but if people worry about E-Rod's injury history, he's got nothing on Rodon or a lot of the others out there. I guess I really don't understand what Bloom is looking at here. Yeah, Whitlock and Houck can take on key rotation spots, but neither has ever pitching anywhere near 150 innings before in a season. I guess it's wait and see but unless they sign Matz this week (and I wouldn't trade E-Rod for Matz), we'll be waiting quite awhile, assuming there's a freeze after Dec 1st, to see what happens.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 23, 2021 11:05:51 GMT -5
I don't know what Bloom's logic was, but I could not be more certain that it wasn't based on a 23 IP sample size of Eduardo's postseason performance (in which he has a sub-4 FIP and xFIP in any event). Yeah, I don't get the postseason failure angle. Four starts. One dud. A strong World Series start with no days of rest which resulted in 5 shutout innings and a bad 6th when Cora mistakenly left him in too long - an obvious mistake that Cora admitted to and was kicking himself for. The dud against Tampa in the ALDS, and two strong starts, against TB and Houston. Honestly, if the ALCS went 7 games, I feel they would have had a legit chance with E-Rod pitching. He was pitching very well at that point. So this he's an October failure doesn't really hold water. You can make a much better case for Sale being an October disappointment as he's only had 2 good starts in the post-season including his final one where he pitched well for 5 innings and then ran out of gas in the 6th and had the bullpen torch the game from there on in. Either way Detroit got a highly affordable contract for a guy who's a decent pitcher even when his numbers don't match up with his his peripherals - and he's only 28. I mean, really, who better is out there on the market for the money and youth that Bloom can pick up? Otherwise you trade assets for a pitcher and you went from E-Rod and assets (for something else) to replacement and less assets. Either way, I really don't know what Bloom saw that makes him thing there's better out there than E-Rod than won't cost a fortune. I mean, is Bloom really going to give Scherzer crazy money or pay the Cy Young premium amount for Ray? Highly doubtful. So who out there is better that's not going to cost them more? I don't think Matz is better and Rodon was great last year, but if people worry about E-Rod's injury history, he's got nothing on Rodon or a lot of the others out there. I guess I really don't understand what Bloom is looking at here. Yeah, Whitlock and Houck can take on key rotation spots, but neither has ever pitching anywhere near 150 innings before in a season. I guess it's wait and see but unless they sign Matz this week (and I wouldn't trade E-Rod for Matz), we'll be waiting quite awhile, assuming there's a freeze after Dec 1st, to see what happens. I agree with all of this. And yet it wasn't just Bloom; 28 other GMs implicitly passed on Eduardo at the price Detroit was willing to pay, including the Angels, who were willing to give Syndergaard a pretty silly contract, and the Astros with their very high-risk deal for Verlander.
I guess the industry consensus is just lower on him than a lot of us are... I just wish someone out there could explain why.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 23, 2021 11:20:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't get the postseason failure angle. Four starts. One dud. A strong World Series start with no days of rest which resulted in 5 shutout innings and a bad 6th when Cora mistakenly left him in too long - an obvious mistake that Cora admitted to and was kicking himself for. The dud against Tampa in the ALDS, and two strong starts, against TB and Houston. Honestly, if the ALCS went 7 games, I feel they would have had a legit chance with E-Rod pitching. He was pitching very well at that point. So this he's an October failure doesn't really hold water. You can make a much better case for Sale being an October disappointment as he's only had 2 good starts in the post-season including his final one where he pitched well for 5 innings and then ran out of gas in the 6th and had the bullpen torch the game from there on in. Either way Detroit got a highly affordable contract for a guy who's a decent pitcher even when his numbers don't match up with his his peripherals - and he's only 28. I mean, really, who better is out there on the market for the money and youth that Bloom can pick up? Otherwise you trade assets for a pitcher and you went from E-Rod and assets (for something else) to replacement and less assets. Either way, I really don't know what Bloom saw that makes him thing there's better out there than E-Rod than won't cost a fortune. I mean, is Bloom really going to give Scherzer crazy money or pay the Cy Young premium amount for Ray? Highly doubtful. So who out there is better that's not going to cost them more? I don't think Matz is better and Rodon was great last year, but if people worry about E-Rod's injury history, he's got nothing on Rodon or a lot of the others out there. I guess I really don't understand what Bloom is looking at here. Yeah, Whitlock and Houck can take on key rotation spots, but neither has ever pitching anywhere near 150 innings before in a season. I guess it's wait and see but unless they sign Matz this week (and I wouldn't trade E-Rod for Matz), we'll be waiting quite awhile, assuming there's a freeze after Dec 1st, to see what happens. I agree with all of this. And yet it wasn't just Bloom; 28 other GMs implicitly passed on Eduardo at the price Detroit was willing to pay, including the Angels, who were willing to give Syndergaard a pretty silly contract, and the Astros with their very high-risk deal for Verlander.
I guess the industry consensus is just lower on him than a lot of us are... I just wish someone out there could explain why.
As you guys know I agree with you on ERod. But he isn't overpowering, he nibbles around the plate a lot and he has to have really good control to be effective. Their are lots of times where he doesn't have it and maybe teams around the league don't see that aging well. He also has a history of tipping pitches. Like I said, I agree with you guys and I am just trying to find the warts that Gms might be hung up on. That being said I think he will have a lot of surplus value in this contract for Detroit.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 23, 2021 11:31:58 GMT -5
I agree with all of this. And yet it wasn't just Bloom; 28 other GMs implicitly passed on Eduardo at the price Detroit was willing to pay, including the Angels, who were willing to give Syndergaard a pretty silly contract, and the Astros with their very high-risk deal for Verlander.
I guess the industry consensus is just lower on him than a lot of us are... I just wish someone out there could explain why.
As you guys know I agree with you on ERod. But he isn't overpowering, he nibbles around the plate a lot and he has to have really good control to be effective. Their are lots of times where he doesn't have it and maybe teams around the league don't see that aging well. He also has a history of tipping pitches. Like I said, I agree with you guys and I am just trying to find the warts that Gms might be hung up on. That being said I think he will have a lot of surplus value in this contract for Detroit. I hear what you're saying, but one of the reasons I'm pretty bullish on him is that he's been nibbling less and less as he's matured as a pitcher. He had both his best K-rate and his best BB-rate of his career in 2021, and he's generally had a multi-year trend of gradual improvement.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 23, 2021 11:36:21 GMT -5
Yeah, if I had to speculate, ERod is a guy who no longer has impressive stuff but gets results by executing a great plan. Teams might not find that profile attractive on a long term deal.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 23, 2021 11:44:10 GMT -5
I agree with all of this. And yet it wasn't just Bloom; 28 other GMs implicitly passed on Eduardo at the price Detroit was willing to pay, including the Angels, who were willing to give Syndergaard a pretty silly contract, and the Astros with their very high-risk deal for Verlander.
I guess the industry consensus is just lower on him than a lot of us are... I just wish someone out there could explain why.
As you guys know I agree with you on ERod. But he isn't overpowering, he nibbles around the plate a lot and he has to have really good control to be effective. Their are lots of times where he doesn't have it and maybe teams around the league don't see that aging well. He also has a history of tipping pitches. Like I said, I agree with you guys and I am just trying to find the warts that Gms might be hung up on. That being said I think he will have a lot of surplus value in this contract for Detroit. I think the problem is the way the contract is written it's very difficult for him to actually provide a lot of surplus value, if he's providing surplus value (on an AAV basis) in the first two years he'll opt out, and if he regresses at all he'll be providing negative value. I'm definitely a little surprised the Red Sox didn't match, but it's not a crazy slam dunk deal. I think it's possible they see guys like Matz as close enough that the expected salary difference and the bonus pick they get make it reasonable for them to go another way.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 23, 2021 12:35:36 GMT -5
As you guys know I agree with you on ERod. But he isn't overpowering, he nibbles around the plate a lot and he has to have really good control to be effective. Their are lots of times where he doesn't have it and maybe teams around the league don't see that aging well. He also has a history of tipping pitches. Like I said, I agree with you guys and I am just trying to find the warts that Gms might be hung up on. That being said I think he will have a lot of surplus value in this contract for Detroit. I think the problem is the way the contract is written it's very difficult for him to actually provide a lot of surplus value, if he's providing surplus value (on an AAV basis) in the first two years he'll opt out, and if he regresses at all he'll be providing negative value. I'm definitely a little surprised the Red Sox didn't match, but it's not a crazy slam dunk deal. I think it's possible they see guys like Matz as close enough that the expected salary difference and the bonus pick they get make it reasonable for them to go another way. I think the way the contract is written he is very likely to provide a lot of surplus value; if he is just 75% as valuable as he was in his last two seasons he'd provide $15-20 million of surplus value in just two years. He could actually regress a decent amount and still provide positive value.
To put it another way: he's been worth 11.6 fWAR/12.8 bWAR over the past 5 seasons, and that includes his completely missing 2020. He has, meanwhile, shown gradual improvement over that span. It's a break even contract for Detroit if he's worth only 10 WAR in the next five years, and in any scenario where he opts out the Tigers will almost certainly come out ahead.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2021 12:44:20 GMT -5
I see that more as Bloom didn't want to give him a long-term deal. If Bloom wanted him back, you make offers to show ERod you want him. Yet I'm even more confused because Bloom said they made offers. How do you make an offer that doesn't discuss years? I might be way off, yet given what I've heard about what happened, I get they pulled a Lester with ERod. Where it was so bad, there was no reason even going back to them. It was clear it wasn't going to work. Let's see what Bloom does, not a fan of how this has started though. They made a reported offer mid season 2021. I would venture to guess a 2 or 3 year deal. I'm also guessing no serious offer was made this off-season based on the assumption years weren't discussed. Sox say they made multiple "offers." They made one trying to get a sweetheart deal. Didn't work. Wasn't the mid year one so bad it literally went no where and ended the talks like with Lester? He then fired his agent, got a new one and they didn't even make another offer? Not a great look for Bloom given who ERod is, unless he knows something we don't.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 23, 2021 12:54:52 GMT -5
I think the problem is the way the contract is written it's very difficult for him to actually provide a lot of surplus value, if he's providing surplus value (on an AAV basis) in the first two years he'll opt out, and if he regresses at all he'll be providing negative value. I'm definitely a little surprised the Red Sox didn't match, but it's not a crazy slam dunk deal. I think it's possible they see guys like Matz as close enough that the expected salary difference and the bonus pick they get make it reasonable for them to go another way. I think the way the contract is written he is very likely to provide a lot of surplus value; if he is just 75% as valuable as he was in his last two seasons he'd provide $15-20 million of surplus value in just two years. He could actually regress a decent amount and still provide positive value.
To put it another way: he's been worth 11.6 fWAR/12.8 bWAR over the past 5 seasons, and that includes his completely missing 2020. He has, meanwhile, shown gradual improvement over that span. It's a break even contract for Detroit if he's worth only 10 WAR in the next five years, and in any scenario where he opts out the Tigers will almost certainly come out ahead.
He provided barely any surplus value over an $17M AAV this year, I know you're calling out his underlying metrics, but not all of them are improving as linearly as you're saying. His SIERA and xFIP both got worse from 2018 - 2019, very possible that happens agian, his fastball velo is consistently declining, Steamer is projecting regression across the board for him. But anyways I think it depends on how we define a lot of surplus value. To me, the most likely outcome is he is just good enough to opt out which I guess is fine, but it feels risky and makes team building more difficult.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 23, 2021 13:11:02 GMT -5
I think the way the contract is written he is very likely to provide a lot of surplus value; if he is just 75% as valuable as he was in his last two seasons he'd provide $15-20 million of surplus value in just two years. He could actually regress a decent amount and still provide positive value.
To put it another way: he's been worth 11.6 fWAR/12.8 bWAR over the past 5 seasons, and that includes his completely missing 2020. He has, meanwhile, shown gradual improvement over that span. It's a break even contract for Detroit if he's worth only 10 WAR in the next five years, and in any scenario where he opts out the Tigers will almost certainly come out ahead.
He provided barely any surplus value over an $17M AAV this year, I know you're calling out his underlying metrics, but not all of them are improving as linearly as you're saying. His SIERA and xFIP both got worse from 2018 - 2019, very possible that happens agian, his fastball velo is consistently declining, Steamer is projecting regression across the board for him. But anyways I think it depends on how we define a lot of surplus value. To me, the most likely outcome is he is just good enough to opt out which I guess is fine, but it feels risky and makes team building more difficult. He provided $60 million of value in 2019 + 2021 per both fangraphs and baseball-reference (8 bWAR and 7.5 fWAR). It's true that by the least favorable measurement (bWAR) in the worse of the two years by that measure (2021) he was only worth $3 million more than he'll make in each of the next two seasons. Which goes to show, again, that he could regress significantly and still be a good deal for the Tigers.
If he's good enough to opt out, then he'll be good enough to project for 3+ WAR/year from 2024-2026, which means he'll be worth 6 WAR at a minimum in 2022-23, which means he'll be worth at least $20 million in surplus value in those two years. This is what I mean when I say that in any opt-out scenario the Tigers come out well ahead.
As for the steamer projection: they project regression for basically everyone who was good last season; yet they still project him for 3.5 WAR in 2022, which would already be worth the $28 million he's being paid for the next two years.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 23, 2021 13:27:39 GMT -5
He provided barely any surplus value over an $17M AAV this year, I know you're calling out his underlying metrics, but not all of them are improving as linearly as you're saying. His SIERA and xFIP both got worse from 2018 - 2019, very possible that happens agian, his fastball velo is consistently declining, Steamer is projecting regression across the board for him. But anyways I think it depends on how we define a lot of surplus value. To me, the most likely outcome is he is just good enough to opt out which I guess is fine, but it feels risky and makes team building more difficult. He provided $60 million of value in 2019 + 2021 per both fangraphs and baseball-reference (8 bWAR and 7.5 fWAR). It's true that by the least favorable measurement (bWAR) in the worse of the two years by that measure (2021) he was only worth $3 million more than he'll make in each of the next two seasons. Which goes to show, again, that he could regress significantly and still be a good deal for the Tigers.
If he's good enough to opt out, then he'll be good enough to project for 3+ WAR/year from 2024-2026, which means he'll be worth 6 WAR at a minimum in 2022-23, which means he'll be worth at least $20 million in surplus value in those two years. This is what I mean when I say that in any opt-out scenario the Tigers come out well ahead.
As for the steamer projection: they project regression for basically everyone who was good last season; yet they still project him for 3.5 WAR in 2022, which would already be worth the $28 million he's being paid for the next two years.
I don't think fWAR is good for retrospective judgement of value. It might be fair to use as a reason to think he'll be better going forward, but just in terms of evaluating how much he actually contributed in surplus value last year I think bWAR is a much better measure. I might have the dollar/win figure off, but the math I had was if he's worth 6 WAR, on an AAV for the contract basis, which is how the Sox would likely think about it, he'd be worth ~13M in excess value which is nice but not a lot in my mind. I don't see a super high upside, maybe I'm wrong but I see it as more likely that he falls off/gets hurt than steps up another level, which is what would be required in my mind to make those two years a crazy bargain. Mostly playing devil's advocate because I probably would have made the deal too knowing what we know, but I don't think even with what knowledge we do have that it's incomprehensible.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 23, 2021 13:44:37 GMT -5
He provided $60 million of value in 2019 + 2021 per both fangraphs and baseball-reference (8 bWAR and 7.5 fWAR). It's true that by the least favorable measurement (bWAR) in the worse of the two years by that measure (2021) he was only worth $3 million more than he'll make in each of the next two seasons. Which goes to show, again, that he could regress significantly and still be a good deal for the Tigers.
If he's good enough to opt out, then he'll be good enough to project for 3+ WAR/year from 2024-2026, which means he'll be worth 6 WAR at a minimum in 2022-23, which means he'll be worth at least $20 million in surplus value in those two years. This is what I mean when I say that in any opt-out scenario the Tigers come out well ahead.
As for the steamer projection: they project regression for basically everyone who was good last season; yet they still project him for 3.5 WAR in 2022, which would already be worth the $28 million he's being paid for the next two years.
I don't think fWAR is good for retrospective judgement of value. It might be fair to use as a reason to think he'll be better going forward, but just in terms of evaluating how much he actually contributed in surplus value last year I think bWAR is a much better measure. I might have the dollar/win figure off, but the math I had was if he's worth 6 WAR, on an AAV for the contract basis, which is how the Sox would likely think about it, he'd be worth ~13M in excess value which is nice but not a lot in my mind. I don't see a super high upside, maybe I'm wrong but I see it as more likely that he falls off/gets hurt than steps up another level, which is what would be required in my mind to make those two years a crazy bargain. Mostly playing devil's advocate because I probably would have made the deal too knowing what we know, but I don't think even with what knowledge we do have that it's incomprehensible. Devil's advocate position noted, but to play the... angel's advocate?... I don't think there are many free agents where you can *expect* to get $13M in excess value in the first two years, unless it's a long-term contract for a superstar where you figure to be eating it at the end of the contract. And that doesn't apply for Eduardo, who will be only 33 when this contract expires even in the opt-in scenario.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2021 16:20:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't bring up velocity when the results are a career high in strikeouts per 9 and a career low in walks. Most pitchers see those numbers decrease as they move from throwers to true pitchers. He's right in line with Jon Lester at the same age, heck they both had one top ten Cy young season at that point. Lester would go on to have three more as his fastball speed declined. It wasn't till his mid 30s when it dropped below 90 that he became a bad pitcher. I'd also add John Lester had a lot more wear and tear on that arm than ERod does at the same age.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 29, 2021 0:09:45 GMT -5
The deals that get signed early are usually player-friendly ones. There will be more palatable contracts out there. There’s not one way to build a team—if starting pitching is too expensive, well, load up on position players or the bullpen. There has been one starting pitcher signed to what increasingly looks like team-friendly terms so far and he's a guy the Red Sox watched walk out the door. Or. Hear me out. E-Rod perhaps did not want to resign with the Sox. Players have a right not to stay with one team their entire career
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 29, 2021 0:13:32 GMT -5
There has been one starting pitcher signed to what increasingly looks like team-friendly terms so far and he's a guy the Red Sox watched walk out the door. Or. Hear me out. E-Rod perhaps did not want to resign with the Sox. Players have a right not to stay with one team their entire career E-Rod made it clear that the Sox didn't make an offer anywhere near what he received from Detroit. E-Rod not returning is on the Red Sox, not the player or his desire to leave the team.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 29, 2021 0:14:01 GMT -5
There has been one starting pitcher signed to what increasingly looks like team-friendly terms so far and he's a guy the Red Sox watched walk out the door. Or. Hear me out. E-Rod perhaps did not want to resign with the Sox. Players have a right not to stay with one team their entire career I guess it's possible that he hated Boston so much he would have turned them down if they offered the most money? I can't prove a negative so I can't definitively say it didn't go down like that. But occam's razor says he agreed to the best deal he was offered.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 29, 2021 0:15:06 GMT -5
Or. Hear me out. E-Rod perhaps did not want to resign with the Sox. Players have a right not to stay with one team their entire career I guess it's possible that he hated Boston so much he would have turned them down if they offered the most money? I can't prove a negative so I can't definitively say it didn't go down like that. But occam's razor says he agreed to the best deal he was offered. The fact that he took the tigers offer and did not call the Sox to see if they can match is telling. Also the fact that he signed real early in the off-season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 29, 2021 0:18:26 GMT -5
I guess it's possible that he hated Boston so much he would have turned them down if they offered the most money? I can't prove a negative so I can't definitively say it didn't go down like that. But occam's razor says he agreed to the best deal he was offered. The fact that he took the tigers offer and did not call the Sox to see if they can match is telling. Also the fact that he signed real early in the off-season. Why is it telling? The Sox had all season to extend him and an exclusive 5 day window after the season to extend him. At some point it becomes obvious to the player and agent that the team isnt going to go all out to sign him. Do he went to the first team that gave him a legit contract offer, which the Sox had plenty of time to do but failed to do. Think of it this way. First, take out your Red Sox fandom out of the equation. E-Rod most likely wanted to stay but say through all of those negotiations the Sox top offer to him is 3 years 40 million dollars. He knows that he can do better than that on the open market by a wide margin. The Tigers offer him 5 years 77 million with an opt out and he knows the Sox aren't going to match that. I mean really, do you think he brings that to the Red Sox and expects them to say, gee, we were nowhere near what we thought we ought to pay you, golly gee wiz, we'll double our offer to you? Of course not, odds are the offer was nowhere near what the Tigers offered and the Sox had plenty of time to make an offer like that. My guess is he wanted to stay but not if he didn't feel that the Sox valued him the way he thought he should be valued. This isn't a guy who gave any indication that he was itching to get out of Boston or that he couldn't stand the heat of Boston. This is the Red Sox not wanting to give E-Rod what the Tigers gave him.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 29, 2021 6:50:06 GMT -5
Or. Hear me out. E-Rod perhaps did not want to resign with the Sox. Players have a right not to stay with one team their entire career I guess it's possible that he hated Boston so much he would have turned them down if they offered the most money? I can't prove a negative so I can't definitively say it didn't go down like that. But occam's razor says he agreed to the best deal he was offered. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Erod pretty much say during his press conference that they only offered him the QO? It explains his comment about 18 million not being better than 78 million. Kind of leads me to believe that the team didn't have interest going long term with him regardless of price.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 29, 2021 7:46:06 GMT -5
Or. Hear me out. E-Rod perhaps did not want to resign with the Sox. Players have a right not to stay with one team their entire career E-Rod made it clear that the Sox didn't make an offer anywhere near what he received from Detroit. E-Rod not returning is on the Red Sox, not the player or his desire to leave the team. This. I hated letting him go. Hate it more now.
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Post by baseball3 on Dec 1, 2021 22:16:39 GMT -5
Eduardo wanted good defense and knew it affected his performance last year.
Here's your sign to go get a elite short stop.
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Post by jmei on Dec 1, 2021 22:58:09 GMT -5
It increasingly sounds like Rodriguez just had beef with the Red Sox and wanted a change.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 1, 2021 23:04:00 GMT -5
Eduardo wanted good defense and knew it affected his performance last year. Here's your sign to go get a elite short stop. Counterpoint: Xander was a better defender last season than Baez was.
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