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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 15, 2021 8:38:14 GMT -5
Looks like E-Rod is gone:
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 15, 2021 8:47:03 GMT -5
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Post by dangermike on Nov 15, 2021 8:50:53 GMT -5
i’m not the biggest e rod fan but 16per is a tough deal for me to swallow. he’s a very useful major league pitcher who can pitch in the al east- that seems like money well spent.
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Post by cdj on Nov 15, 2021 8:51:02 GMT -5
Get paid young man
Comp pick it is. I would’ve been fine giving him that deal but I’d imagine the term coupled with his knee history were what prevented it from getting done here
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Post by jmei on Nov 15, 2021 8:52:40 GMT -5
Would have loved to have him back in Boston on that contract. Starting pitching becomes the biggest need this offseason.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 15, 2021 8:52:55 GMT -5
That Detroit rotation is going to be good with Mize Skrubal and Manning. Damn.
Figured this FO wouldn't go long term on him but that 16 million is a tough pill to swallow. Hopefully not a sign of things to come.
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Post by jimoh on Nov 15, 2021 8:56:28 GMT -5
Get paid young man Comp pick it is. I would’ve been fine giving him that deal but I’d imagine the term coupled with his knee history were what prevented it from getting done here Can someone remind me where the comp pick falls? |
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 15, 2021 8:58:03 GMT -5
Get paid young man Comp pick it is. I would’ve been fine giving him that deal but I’d imagine the term coupled with his knee history were what prevented it from getting done here Can someone remind me where the comp pick falls? Seems to me the Sox are looking at a starter who may have comp pick attached. |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 15, 2021 8:58:40 GMT -5
If a team that loses a qualifying free agent is a revenue-sharing recipient, and the lost player signs for at least $50 million, the team is awarded a compensatory pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A. If the player signs for less than $50 million, the compensation pick for the team comes after Competitive Balance Round B.
From MLB.com
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 15, 2021 8:59:21 GMT -5
Can someone remind me where the comp pick falls? Seems to me the Sox are looking at a starter who may have comp pick attached. Or Correa. |
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Nov 15, 2021 9:00:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't have been upset with the Sox signing this deal, but I'm all for Sale/Eovaldi/Pivetta plus two FA's like Duffy, Cobb, or Grienke on 1-2 yr deals. Then depth like Whitlock and Houck as possible starters mid-season, signing a couple Quad-A arms with Seabold, Crawford and Winckowski being next options in the minors.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 15, 2021 9:00:13 GMT -5
Given how low that contract was, I'm wondering:
- is the $/win going to be far less this off-season than we expect?
- are players willing to accept less if they sign early?
- Do the Red Sox believe they have their 5 starters already and looking for more of a discount swing starter?
- Are the Red Sox looking to keep their payroll down once again?
I'd still be interested in Carlos Rodon, but don't see much left on the starting pitching market that would fit this team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2021 9:00:26 GMT -5
There’s an opt out after year 2… if he lives up to the contract it’s a 2 year deal and if not you’re stuck 5 years with him… no thank you
Give me the comp pick and draft money that comes with it.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 15, 2021 9:04:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't have been upset with the Sox signing this deal, but I'm all for Sale/Eovaldi/Pivetta plus two FA's like Duffy, Cobb, or Grienke on 1-2 yr deals. Then depth like Whitlock and Houck as possible starters mid-season, signing a couple Quad-A arms with Seabold, Crawford and Winckowski being next options in the minors. No thanks on any of those options. Greinke with his diminished stuff and anxiety issues would make John Smoltz tenure in Boston look successful in comparison. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 15, 2021 9:05:51 GMT -5
Given how low that contract was, I'm wondering: - is the $/win going to be far less this off-season than we expect? The various State of the CBA Negotiations articles floating around seem to think that the owners are playing defense trying to preserve the status quo, while the players are trying to get a better deal. If that read is accurate, then free agents shouldn't be taking any discounts right now. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 15, 2021 9:08:06 GMT -5
I believe other things need to shake out before we figure out the exact comp pick for losing E-Rod, but should be generally around pick #70-#75, and around $1 mil - $800k in value.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 15, 2021 9:15:46 GMT -5
Kind of shocked that this is the deal that shows he was in demand but also worth signing that fast and that the Sox didn't meet it. It all seems a little off to me in all directions. But glad for Eddie. He was great for us, hope he is happy and successful in Detroit. I would have signed up for that deal.
Does Eovaldi all of a sudden become an extension candidate?
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 15, 2021 9:18:16 GMT -5
A 5 year contract with a 2 year opt out is a pitcher friendly structure.
I like to value the contract as a 2 year contract, and then add the value of the option to it. Just wild ass guessing some figures here:
2 years/31 million + he opts in 50% of the time (3/46 remaining) to a contract that overpays him by an average of $25 million the times that he opts in. So, I would say his contract is equivalent to about a 31 + (.5*25) = 2 years/$43 million deal
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Post by Guidas on Nov 15, 2021 9:26:43 GMT -5
Would have loved to have him back in Boston on that contract. Starting pitching becomes the biggest need this offseason. That does seem like a contract they could've easily beaten. I wonder if they undervalued him and subsequently gave him a "Jon Lester" offer, if he was just done with Boston, or if they have another target. |
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Post by nomar on Nov 15, 2021 9:28:58 GMT -5
Good spot for him. Relatively stress free. $80M too. Thanks for the memories ERod
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 15, 2021 9:31:20 GMT -5
Either erod didn't give the sox a chance to match or they declined to. Either way sad to see him leave for that contract. Even with the opt out I'd have loved him on a 16 AAV for 2 more seasons. Feel like that's a bargain and I'm not a big fan of the other free agent options for the rotation. We'll see but not a good start for Bloom and Co. Not going to overreact to it though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 15, 2021 9:46:29 GMT -5
If a team that loses a qualifying free agent is a revenue-sharing recipient, and the lost player signs for at least $50 million, the team is awarded a compensatory pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A. If the player signs for less than $50 million, the compensation pick for the team comes after Competitive Balance Round B. From MLB.com The Red Sox do not receive revenue sharing - you're looking at the wrong part of the rule. They get a pick immediately after Competitive Balance Round B as a team that neither receives revenue sharing nor surpassed the CBT (as far as we know). There’s an opt out after year 2… if he lives up to the contract it’s a 2 year deal and if not you’re stuck 5 years with him… no thank you Give me the comp pick and draft money that comes with it. This. I would be unsurprised to learn that the deal is front-loaded with the second-year opt-out to incentivize him to sign before the CBA expires. It's a great deal for him potentially given that he has the option of opting out in the new CBA. Meanwhile, the Tigers send a message to fans (to buy tickets before they need to figure against the sour taste of a labor stoppage) and to other FA that they're gonna spend. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 15, 2021 9:57:07 GMT -5
Not happy to see this news. 5 years 77 million is definitely a deal the Sox could have given E-Rod. I know he has his ups and downs but for that price, I really would have liked to have seen the Sox bring him back. His results weren't the greatest last year, but it's obvious he's better than what they showed. Those last two starts he made in the playoffs were strong starts. The stuff that it takes to make him a #2 type starter is still in there and for that cost, it's bothersome they let him slip away.
Now who are they going to get that's better? Give up a 2nd round pick and spend a higher annual $ figure for Justin Verlander? Give Scherzer 30 plus million/year (think he stays on the west coast)? Throw the money at Matz who had better results but probably isn't as good as E-Rod?
If the bidding had gotten to about 100 million I could understand the reluctance to bring back E-Rod. Just seems to me they could have kept him at the contract he signed for.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 15, 2021 10:00:42 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 15, 2021 10:06:19 GMT -5
His ERA was above 6 late into June, coming off the myocarditis season. Worth a shot trying to get him to sign a team friendly contract |
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