|
|
Post by grandsalami on Dec 1, 2021 0:26:39 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 1, 2021 0:31:09 GMT -5
Very excited about this. Low risk high reward
|
|
cdj
Veteran
Posts: 14,006 
Member is Online
|
Post by cdj on Dec 1, 2021 0:40:26 GMT -5
I dig it
Low risk, high reward. He was an effective AL East starter as recently as 2019
|
|
|
|
Post by tyler3 on Dec 1, 2021 0:45:55 GMT -5
He was looking really good for the mariners in spring training I believe before he immediately went under the knife…..I’m all for it.
|
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 1, 2021 0:46:19 GMT -5
If Wacha is the Richards replacement and Paxton is the Perez replacement then the Sox did a really good job of upgrading on Perez.
If Paxton is supposed to replace E-Rod then it'll fall short. Not because Paxton can't pitch as effectively but rather because his injury history is so extensive he's never even pitched enough to qualify for an ERA title.
So I hope the Sox still plan on adding another starter, although I honestly think Wacha and Paxton are it, and hope Whitlock can immediately be a quality starter.
But as for Paxton, when he is healthy, he's always been a really good pitcher. Let's hope he's healthy because a healthy Paxton is a big rotation upgrade.
|
|
|
|
Post by grandsalami on Dec 1, 2021 0:55:18 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by taiwansox on Dec 1, 2021 0:58:08 GMT -5
Talented former Yankee with injury issues, we’ve done well there before (Eovaldi), I like this a lot. Elite strikeout rate, didn’t really like his heavy cutter usage with the Yankees, so I’m excited to see what he does when he’s healthy and has a potentially more effective pitch mix.
|
|
|
|
Post by orion09 on Dec 1, 2021 0:59:40 GMT -5
$10M seems a touch high considering he got $8.5M last year, and that was before he had TJS. Still, I love the deal and I love the option. If he pitches well this year, having two more years of team control is huge. |
|
|
|
Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 1, 2021 1:01:29 GMT -5
$10M seems a touch high considering he got $8.5M last year, and that was before he had TJS. Still, I love the deal and I love the option. If he pitches well this year, having two more years of team control is huge. I’m thinking they overpaid to get the two club options |
|
|
|
Post by tyler3 on Dec 1, 2021 1:01:45 GMT -5
If Wacha is the Richards replacement and Paxton is the Perez replacement then the Sox did a really good job of upgrading on Perez. If Paxton is supposed to replace E-Rod then it'll fall short. Not because Paxton can't pitch as effectively but rather because his injury history is so extensive he's never even pitched enough to qualify for an ERA title. So I hope the Sox still plan on adding another starter, although I honestly think Wacha and Paxton are it, and hope Whitlock can immediately be a quality starter. But as for Paxton, when he is healthy, he's always been a really good pitcher. Let's hope he's healthy because a healthy Paxton is a big rotation upgrade. Well he had TJ in April so this might be more of a depth piece initially. You figure they will be careful with him and ramp him up so maybe we’re looking like a late may…June return to action for Paxton right? Good way to have built in depth. I think they got one more pitcher on the way…might be a guy like Hill:) who would probably go down right about the time Paxton is ready:). |
|
|
|
Post by julyanmorley on Dec 1, 2021 1:01:46 GMT -5
He had TJS mid-April, I doubt he can help much in 2022
Need to see what the two year option looks like
|
|
|
|
Post by willacky on Dec 1, 2021 1:04:39 GMT -5
This is,,, a little expensive.
However, if he's healthy he's a great pitcher.
Attached club option is nice. The team must've seen him and thought his recovery is going well.
|
|
|
|
Post by willacky on Dec 1, 2021 1:06:46 GMT -5
Oh, he has TWO club options???
Then I think it's a good deal for the Sox.
I thought it was only one club option.
|
|
|
|
Post by julyanmorley on Dec 1, 2021 1:08:30 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by julyanmorley on Dec 1, 2021 1:14:03 GMT -5
Very interesting deal. They're basically paying $35 million for 2023 and 2024, but they can cut their losses at $10 million if his recovery goes bad. Maybe the Sox get a little major league value in 2022, but I'm not holding my breath.
|
|
|
|
Post by tyler3 on Dec 1, 2021 1:18:06 GMT -5
So, if he has a good half season… then the Red Sox have him locked down for the next 2 seasons at 12.5 million a year if they choose….ok, I think I’m ok with that.
|
|
|
|
Post by incandenza on Dec 1, 2021 1:18:59 GMT -5
It's the same thing they tried with Richards, almost to a tee: 1/10 plus the club option, just a slightly pricier and longer option. I like that they're trying it again. I thought at the time that the Richards signing would work out great just so long as he stayed healthy. That was sure wrong! But with Paxton... well, I think it'll work out great just so long as he stays healthy. And as with Richards the downside is minimal.
|
|
|
|
Post by tyler3 on Dec 1, 2021 1:20:46 GMT -5
That deal with Richards looked awesome until they took the sticky stuff away. Bloom does just love him some options that’s for sure.
|
|
|
|
Post by marrcus on Dec 1, 2021 1:24:00 GMT -5
"He had TJS mid-April, I doubt he can help much in 2022"
FO is probably thinking in terms of post AS break for timing.
|
|
|
|
Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 1, 2021 1:27:42 GMT -5
Given his fastball/cutter/curveball mix, high strikeout numbers and recovery from TJ surgery, I'm wondering if he may be a key bullpen piece if everyone else is effective/healthy.
His career high in innings pitched is 160.1. A workhorse, he is not.
Definitely didn't see this one coming. Certainly not with that level of guarantee.
|
|
|
|
Post by grandsalami on Dec 1, 2021 1:38:51 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by taiwansox on Dec 1, 2021 1:42:19 GMT -5
Another thought, isn’t he an extreme fly ball pitcher? That might indicate they were never in on Stroman. This actually might be a decent read on the market where infielders are getting paid a fortune from Semien to Baez to Seager and Story/Correa look primed for a payday after Baez’s deal. Prioritize higher upside fly ball/strikeout pitchers and sign someone like Schwarber to round out the lineup and punt on having strong defense. I might be totally off and it’s just scraping the free agent barrel, but Paxton’s extreme batted ball splits have me thinking. (Sub 40% GB rate since the start of 2018). Carlos Rodon also fits the profile
|
|
|
|
Post by baseball3 on Dec 1, 2021 1:42:21 GMT -5
He'll be worth the contract in 2023 and 2024 if he pitches his usual 120 innings a year. That's worth 12.5 a year if he has the same stuff as he did pre TJ.
The key for the Sox will be to get his 120 innings going towards the end of every year and into the play-offs. He's a top 2 type starter in a play-off rotation.
The Sox will need another starter, even after this move. Rich Hill type or something. Paxton won't be ready until mid season.
|
|
|
|
Post by incandenza on Dec 1, 2021 1:42:39 GMT -5
Huh. There are lots of ways I could imagine reacting to a bald eagle landing on me, but "casual disregard" is really not one of them.
No idea what that says about the man.
|
|
|
|
Post by grandsalami on Dec 1, 2021 1:52:39 GMT -5
Huh. There are lots of ways I could imagine reacting to a bald eagle landing on me, but "casual disregard" is really not one of them. No idea what that says about the man. The eagle sensed that Paxton was a Canadian. |
|
