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Post by grandsalami on Dec 1, 2021 20:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 1, 2021 20:14:05 GMT -5
Now I like the pitching moves as a package...
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Post by foreverred9 on Dec 1, 2021 20:15:33 GMT -5
Well that's the most unsurprising piece of news I've seen in a long time.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 1, 2021 20:17:05 GMT -5
Death, taxes and Rich Hill.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Dec 1, 2021 20:19:04 GMT -5
Love, love, love the moves Bloom has made so far in regards to pitching - as I've said the best strategy is to accumulate as many arms as possible on short-term deals - Would love to see him bring back Schwarber now...
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Post by cardsox on Dec 1, 2021 20:21:13 GMT -5
I am a fan of this move. Not a huge inn eater but good when he pitches. Also can be nice lhp coming out of pen in post season
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Post by cdj on Dec 1, 2021 20:23:52 GMT -5
Big yes. Very content with the rotation depth now
Dick Mountain is back
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Post by orion09 on Dec 1, 2021 20:26:37 GMT -5
So… Rich Hill for the first half and James Paxton for the second? I like it. Pick up a few bullpen arms and resign Schwarber and it’s a wrap
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 1, 2021 20:27:02 GMT -5
Rich Hill, take 7...action.
While I don't think individually any of Hill, Paxton, or Wacha will be better than E-Rod this season, they should hopefully have enough viable possibilities that between Pivetta, Hill, Wacha, Paxton, Whitlock, Houck, Crawford, Winckowski, and Seabold, they should be able to fill five spots in the rotation and have some left over for the pen.
If the Sox can get a decent half out if Hill and then if he wears down it gets hurt, hopefully Paxton can step in. Hill could even pitch out of the pen later in the season if need be.
Good to have Hill back.
I'll guess that this takes them out of the Rodon sweepstakes, the one guy who has the highest upside based on the way he pitched last season.
I don't know which one of these guys would be a 3rd starter come October. Si while I like the Hill and Paxton adds the uncertainty is still very much there.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 1, 2021 20:28:39 GMT -5
Emergency podcast??
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Post by nomar on Dec 1, 2021 20:30:53 GMT -5
One of my favorite players of this era. Hope he can still produce, but glad to see him come home.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Dec 1, 2021 20:39:31 GMT -5
Wonder how much Rodon will cost - He'd look nice in this rotation with a good amount of depth. 3 solid additions so far that won't hurt you into the future, very nice.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 1, 2021 20:43:43 GMT -5
Hill is 42. Theres not much meat left on the bone. I'm assuming Whitlock is now slated to close.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 1, 2021 20:44:18 GMT -5
Wonder how much Rodon will cost - He'd look nice in this rotation with a good amount of depth. 3 solid additions so far that won't hurt you into the future, very nice. As interested as I'd be in Rodon I think the Sox spent their allotment on starting pitching. Anymore money they spend after the freeze will be on bullpen help, hopefully Schwarber, as without him the lineup is too righthanded, and maybe they bring back Iglesias to help at 2b. |
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 1, 2021 20:45:06 GMT -5
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Dec 1, 2021 20:53:10 GMT -5
Wonder how much Rodon will cost - He'd look nice in this rotation with a good amount of depth. 3 solid additions so far that won't hurt you into the future, very nice. As interested as I'd be in Rodon I think the Sox spent their allotment on starting pitching. Anymore money they spend after the freeze will be on bullpen help, hopefully Schwarber, as without him the lineup is too righthanded, and maybe they bring back Iglesias to help at 2b. I mean I believe we're going over the luxury tax after we re-set it, so I guess why not. Rodon would be a perfect fit with a rotation with a lot of depth and guys like Whitlock & Houck to limit his innings - and injury risk. A Rodon/Houck pairing would be very, very nice. Idk just a thought. |
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Post by manfred on Dec 1, 2021 20:53:45 GMT -5
Hill was very good last year. He is worth a shot, to be sure. He certainly doesn’t appear to have an aversion to Boston, either!
I am still not thrilled with the overall moves. I just don’t buy the approach — get tons of guys with questions and hope some work out. Wacha has not even been mediocre since 2018. Paxton is *at best* a half year signing — I like it in isolation (but for the cost!), if he is treated as a bonus. And now Hill who certainly is always a durability question.
Will the three get over 200 innings combined? They are likely a combined $20 million. Is that like 3.5 WAR? Will they reach that?
But I guess I just don’t get spending $20 million on someone more certain. Hell that’s about 1/2 a Scherzer, and 1/2 a Scherzer could easily ~3 WAR.
Add: put differently, they are paying Paxton the same, pro rated, as Stroman will make next year. Paxton $10 mill to start at all star break; Stroman (theoretically) all year. I’m not a huge Stroman guy, but paying Hill, Wacha, and Paxton about the same as Stroman…. I’d rather just go with Stroman.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 1, 2021 21:02:11 GMT -5
Rays gave him away soon after the sticky stuff crackdown and there were some red flags in his performance with the Mets. Not sure there's much left. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 1, 2021 21:40:53 GMT -5
Don't know the $ yet (although it won't matter much if we go over the LT, which we should), but I'm a big fan of this signing! I finally feel like we're in a good place with our SP depth. Tentatively we have this:
1. Sale
2. Eovaldi
3. Pivetta
4. Hill
5. Wacha
But this is with Whitlock and Houck still in the bullpen, Winckowski and Seabold in Worcester as depth, and with Paxton able to help down the stretch if his recovery goes smoothly. If any of the guys in the rotation falter, we could easily see them in the 2021 Richards role with Houck or Whitlock advanced into the rotation. That might happen anyway tbh, given the upside of Houck and Whitlock.
I'd still like to see us add a couple of bullpen arms, but I'd feel alright entering 2022 with this rotation.
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 1, 2021 21:43:03 GMT -5
Don't know the $ yet (although it won't matter much if we go over the LT, which we should), but I'm a big fan of this signing! I finally feel like we're in a good place with our SP depth. Tentatively we have this: 1. Sale 2. Eovaldi 3. Pivetta 4. Hill 5. Wacha But this is with Whitlock and Houck still in the bullpen, Winckowski and Seabold in Worcester as depth, and with Paxton able to help down the stretch if his recovery goes smoothly. If any of the guys in the rotation falter, we could easily see them in the 2021 Richards role with Houck or Whitlock advanced into the rotation. That might happen anyway tbh, given the upside of Houck and Whitlock. I'd still like to see us add a couple of bullpen arms, but I'd feel alright entering 2022 with this rotation. I’m with you! Does this mean Whitlock is the closer!? I love that idea!!!! |
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 1, 2021 21:47:19 GMT -5
Hill was very good last year. He is worth a shot, to be sure. He certainly doesn’t appear to have an aversion to Boston, either! I am still not thrilled with the overall moves. I just don’t buy the approach — get tons of guys with questions and hope some work out. Wacha has not even been mediocre since 2018. Paxton is *at best* a half year signing — I like it in isolation (but for the cost!), if he is treated as a bonus. And now Hill who certainly is always a durability question. Will the three get over 200 innings combined? They are likely a combined $20 million. Is that like 3.5 WAR? Will they reach that? But I guess I just don’t get spending $20 million on someone more certain. Hell that’s about 1/2 a Scherzer, and 1/2 a Scherzer could easily ~3 WAR. Add: put differently, they are paying Paxton the same, pro rated, as Stroman will make next year. Paxton $10 mill to start at all star break; Stroman (theoretically) all year. I’m not a huge Stroman guy, but paying Hill, Wacha, and Paxton about the same as Stroman…. I’d rather just go with Stroman. I'm thinking of the Paxton deal as more of a 2023 and 2024 play than something meant to add value in 2022. If he makes a full recovery, a 2/25 option for a pitcher of Paxton's caliber would be an awesome value, and if we are planning to go over the LT this year the 1/10 cost this year doesn't really matter. If his recovery doesn't go well, we can always jump ship. Provided the rotation depth is good enough that we don't need to bank on Paxton playing a big role this year, which I think is now the case, it feels pretty low risk and high reward to me. |
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Post by Guidas on Dec 1, 2021 21:49:33 GMT -5
Don't know the $ yet (although it won't matter much if we go over the LT, which we should), but I'm a big fan of this signing! I finally feel like we're in a good place with our SP depth. Tentatively we have this: 1. Sale 2. Eovaldi 3. Pivetta 4. Hill 5. Wacha But this is with Whitlock and Houck still in the bullpen, Winckowski and Seabold in Worcester as depth, and with Paxton able to help down the stretch if his recovery goes smoothly. If any of the guys in the rotation falter, we could easily see them in the 2021 Richards role with Houck or Whitlock advanced into the rotation. That might happen anyway tbh, given the upside of Houck and Whitlock. I'd still like to see us add a couple of bullpen arms, but I'd feel alright entering 2022 with this rotation. I wouldn’t even consider Wacha a #5 unless he miraculously develops a legit 3rd pitch. He’s not so much an “innings eater” as a near guaranteed early exit from every game he starts. May be better as a 2-inning middle reliever. If that. |
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 1, 2021 21:50:21 GMT -5
Don't know the $ yet (although it won't matter much if we go over the LT, which we should), but I'm a big fan of this signing! I finally feel like we're in a good place with our SP depth. Tentatively we have this: 1. Sale 2. Eovaldi 3. Pivetta 4. Hill 5. Wacha But this is with Whitlock and Houck still in the bullpen, Winckowski and Seabold in Worcester as depth, and with Paxton able to help down the stretch if his recovery goes smoothly. If any of the guys in the rotation falter, we could easily see them in the 2021 Richards role with Houck or Whitlock advanced into the rotation. That might happen anyway tbh, given the upside of Houck and Whitlock. I'd still like to see us add a couple of bullpen arms, but I'd feel alright entering 2022 with this rotation. I’m with you! Does this mean Whitlock is the closer!? I love that idea!!!! I could totally see it! I could see him starting too given how filthy he is, and I'm honestly fine with either. It's a good feeling knowing we have the flexibility to use him where we think he'll be most effective rather than having to force him into the rotation. |
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 1, 2021 21:54:21 GMT -5
Don't know the $ yet (although it won't matter much if we go over the LT, which we should), but I'm a big fan of this signing! I finally feel like we're in a good place with our SP depth. Tentatively we have this: 1. Sale 2. Eovaldi 3. Pivetta 4. Hill 5. Wacha But this is with Whitlock and Houck still in the bullpen, Winckowski and Seabold in Worcester as depth, and with Paxton able to help down the stretch if his recovery goes smoothly. If any of the guys in the rotation falter, we could easily see them in the 2021 Richards role with Houck or Whitlock advanced into the rotation. That might happen anyway tbh, given the upside of Houck and Whitlock. I'd still like to see us add a couple of bullpen arms, but I'd feel alright entering 2022 with this rotation. I wouldn’t even consider Wacha a #5 unless he miraculously develops a legit 3rd pitch. He’s not so much an “innings eater” as a near guaranteed early exit from every game he starts. May be better as a 2-inning middle reliever. If that. Well, he was second on the Rays in innings last year and made 23 starts. It'll all come down to performance, of course. As we've seen with Houck, it's still super valuable to have a good starting pitcher that doesn't go deep in games. Going deep in games is great, but so is being effective while you're out there.
It's not really clear what Wacha will end up being, but he could easily end up in a long relief / SP depth bullpen role if Houck or Whitlock seizes a rotation spot. It depends a lot on how legit his last ~40 innings were. |
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Post by taiwansox on Dec 1, 2021 22:03:51 GMT -5
Can Hill teach Wacha how to throw a breaking pitch lol (actually pretty amazing he’s had a decent career as a starter without a halfway decent breaking ball). Also, I want to hear Chris Sale reenact his World Series speech about Rich Hill only having 2 pitches!
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