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2022 SoxProspects Ranking Updates
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Post by keninten on Aug 7, 2022 20:59:52 GMT -5
To answer my own question, historically (all BA, side note it’s very interesting scrolling through old rankings and seeing how everyone panned out): 2022: 12. Mayer, 22. Bello, 27. Casas, 48. Yorke, 81. Rafaela 2021: 15. Casas, 29. Mayer, 37. Duran, 63. Yorke 2020: 65. Casas, 73. Dalbec, 82. Downs 2019: 65. Casas, 81. Mata, 83. Dalbec 2018: No Top 100 2017: 1. Benintendi, 18. Devers, 43. Groome 2016: 3. Moncada, 15. Benintendi, 18. Devers, 19. Espinoza, 89. Kopech 2015: 17. Swihart, 21. Castillo, 44. Owens, 59. ERod, 72. Margot, 82. Johnson, 99. Devers Who is Castillo? I didn't see him on the Sox list for BA I found. Rusney maybe?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 7, 2022 21:41:01 GMT -5
I will think less of them if he doesn't. How close is Perales to being on "Top 100" radar? What boxes does he need to check? Keep dominating at higher level? Not very for me. He needs to show he can stay healthy. He signed in July 2019 and since then has made 6 regular turns in a rotation and has never gone out for a 4th inning. It's premium stuff but the ability to stay on the field thing is significant for me. Rafaela should be 5th with Bleis 6th. Really it doesn’t matter but he’s my favorite prospect behind Mayer and he’s 1 of the 5 in the top 100 so to have him 8th is weird. I think I can fairly speak for the rest of the brass in saying we disagree with BA having him as a top 100 prospect. The chase issues are pretty significant. Where’s Stephen Scott on the list? He’s done nothing but hit since he got promoted to Portland. Homered again today. He’s never had a K% north of 20% or a walk % south of 13.9% in a full season. Currently hitting .269 with a .934 OPS in over 100 ABs in the high minors. His struggles in Greenville this year can be attributed partially to a career low .216 BABIP. Unless he’s an absolute butcher behind the plate, that definitely deserves a top 60 ranking at least. Have there been any reports on how he’s looked at catcher this year being there full time? Fair, but at the same time, he didn't hit at all in Greenville. If he keeps it up he probably will be in the season-end rankings.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 8, 2022 7:09:25 GMT -5
We also have a Sox bias here, a lot of teams have a Perales in their system, and he needs more of a track record to get traction. This could be the beginning of his journey there, but it's too early.
The thing that gets me about Stephen Scott is he's old for the levels he's playing at, not terribly old, but the defensive profile really bothers me, if he can't stay behind the plate how intriguing is a 25 year old lighting up AA? Sure, he could hit MLB pitching one day but that profile doesn't scream top prospect to me. Still, I think a good argument could be made for him to be in the top 60.
What I love about our system right now is the depth top to bottom, there are guys outside the top 20/30 who you could tell me would be a top 5 prospect in 2 years and I wouldn't be worried about the future of the system. E.G. Rodriguez-Cruz.
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Post by bosox904 on Aug 8, 2022 10:02:49 GMT -5
Who is Castillo? I didn't see him on the Sox list for BA I found. Probably Rusney Yea, completely forgot about him.
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Post by jaffinator on Aug 8, 2022 10:31:39 GMT -5
We also have a Sox bias here, a lot of teams have a Perales in their system, and he needs more of a track record to get traction. This could be the beginning of his journey there, but it's too early. The thing that gets me about Stephen Scott is he's old for the levels he's playing at, not terribly old, but the defensive profile really bothers me, if he can't stay behind the plate how intriguing is a 25 year old lighting up AA? Sure, he could hit MLB pitching one day but that profile doesn't scream top prospect to me. Still, I think a good argument could be made for him to be in the top 60. What I love about our system right now is the depth top to bottom, there are guys outside the top 20/30 who you could tell me would be a top 5 prospect in 2 years and I wouldn't be worried about the future of the system. E.G. Rodriguez-Cruz. I agree that a lot of teams have a Perales in their system. I think it's even underrated how often someone like Perales flashes up in the Sox system without it "working out" to a top 100 guy level.
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Post by seamus on Aug 8, 2022 10:49:25 GMT -5
I'd guess that the top 5 was the same for everyone, but what was the biggest discrepancy? For example, did somebody have Roman Anthony around 10 while someone else had him outside the top 30? Or did you all mostly agree on the prospect "tiers" and the differences were just in how they were sorted within those tiers?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 8, 2022 11:52:29 GMT -5
I'd guess that the top 5 was the same for everyone, but what was the biggest discrepancy? For example, did somebody have Roman Anthony around 10 while someone else had him outside the top 30? Or did you all mostly agree on the prospect "tiers" and the differences were just in how they were sorted within those tiers? Biggest discrepancy in what range? For example, being 3 apart on a top 10 or 15 guy is probably as significant as being 10 or more spots apart on a 40-60 guy.
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Post by seamus on Aug 8, 2022 12:02:34 GMT -5
I'd guess that the top 5 was the same for everyone, but what was the biggest discrepancy? For example, did somebody have Roman Anthony around 10 while someone else had him outside the top 30? Or did you all mostly agree on the prospect "tiers" and the differences were just in how they were sorted within those tiers? Biggest discrepancy in what range? For example, being 3 apart on a top 10 or 15 guy is probably as significant as being 10 or more spots apart on a 40-60 guy. That's a good point. Both are interesting questions for different reasons. I suppose my biggest interest would be discrepancy in the top 15 because I know a little more about those guys. Was anyone particularly high or low on Mikey Romero, for instance?
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Post by jmei on Aug 9, 2022 5:15:52 GMT -5
I should maybe plug that Patreon supporters get full individual rankings from each of the site staff, so if that’s something you’re interested in, consider joining.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Aug 9, 2022 7:28:49 GMT -5
Some spoilers: Anthony varied between 10 and 19. Luis Perales between 21 and 30. Niko Kavadas between 22 and 33.
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Post by seamus on Aug 9, 2022 8:02:05 GMT -5
Oh, sorry, I did not realize that was a Patreon thing! I will take a look at that. Thanks!
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 9, 2022 9:40:34 GMT -5
JohnFrank sneakily moving right along.
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Post by tijas2 on Aug 9, 2022 10:14:12 GMT -5
Just now noticing Marvin Alcantara making it in at 47. He is only 1 of 2 DSL players to make SP60. Wonder what buzz you're getting from down in DSL that got him onto the list? His bonus was only 30k so he wasn't a high profile signing.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 9, 2022 10:17:26 GMT -5
I should maybe plug that Patreon supporters get full individual rankings from each of the site staff, so if that’s something you’re interested in, consider joining. Wait, how is this different than the annual drive? If I knew there was Patreon, I would've been hitting it monthly instead of dropping it all once a year (if that's preferred).
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Post by jmei on Aug 9, 2022 12:08:57 GMT -5
I should maybe plug that Patreon supporters get full individual rankings from each of the site staff, so if that’s something you’re interested in, consider joining. Wait, how is this different than the annual drive? If I knew there was Patreon, I would've been hitting it monthly instead of dropping it all once a year (if that's preferred). www.patreon.com/soxprospects
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 9, 2022 13:17:21 GMT -5
It's worth it just to see who put Kavadas at 33 alone.
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Post by 1900getwade on Aug 10, 2022 18:10:52 GMT -5
Agree that Scott should be at least on the list. Has looked pretty solid behind the place in the handful of Portland games I've watched. Patient hitter, has 17 walks in last 15 games.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 10, 2022 18:43:45 GMT -5
I should maybe plug that Patreon supporters get full individual rankings from each of the site staff, so if that’s something you’re interested in, consider joining. I really hope that you guys get an OnlyFans so I can have a really awkward conversation with my wife.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 10, 2022 22:04:23 GMT -5
Just now noticing Marvin Alcantara making it in at 47. He is only 1 of 2 DSL players to make SP60. Wonder what buzz you're getting from down in DSL that got him onto the list? His bonus was only 30k so he wasn't a high profile signing. Badler put him on a list of sleepers in the pre-season, so he was already on the radar, and we got a very strong report recently. In general we're not going to rocket a guy we haven't seen into the Top 30 or whatever. But a couple of people whose opinions we value saying good things, to go with a pretty solid stat line? That's exciting enough to get into the lower end of the rankings, sure.
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Post by iliketacos on Aug 13, 2022 10:55:53 GMT -5
Not that it matters, but I used to scout years back. With that being said, this is my updated top 20 in the system:
1) Mayer 2) Bello 3) Rafaela 4) Casas 5) Bleis 6) Yorke 7) Walter 8) Jordan 9) Mata 10) Valdez 11) Lugo 12) Anthony 13) Murphy 14) Bonaci 15) Romero 16) Paulino 17) Kavadas 18) Hickey 19) Perales 20) Drohan
I did not include Winckowski. I'd have him slotted in around 10.
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 14, 2022 14:19:31 GMT -5
I think Paulino and Salazar are going to sneak into the BA league top 20 lists this fall.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 14, 2022 14:41:16 GMT -5
Not that it matters, but I used to scout years back. With that being said, this is my updated top 20 in the system: 1) Mayer 2) Bello 3) Rafaela 4) Casas 5) Bleis 6) Yorke 7) Walter 8) Jordan 9) Mata 10) Valdez 11) Lugo 12) Anthony 13) Murphy 14) Bonaci 15) Romero 16) Paulino 17) Kavadas 18) Hickey 19) Perales 20) Drohan I did not include Winckowski. I'd have him slotted in around 10. interesting, but shows an unusual belief that Rafaela’s free-swinging approach at the plate will not be challenged at higher levels, and conversely not much appreciation for Casas’ excellent approach and closeness to mlb.
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Post by iliketacos on Aug 14, 2022 15:47:42 GMT -5
Not that it matters, but I used to scout years back. With that being said, this is my updated top 20 in the system: 1) Mayer 2) Bello 3) Rafaela 4) Casas 5) Bleis 6) Yorke 7) Walter 8) Jordan 9) Mata 10) Valdez 11) Lugo 12) Anthony 13) Murphy 14) Bonaci 15) Romero 16) Paulino 17) Kavadas 18) Hickey 19) Perales 20) Drohan I did not include Winckowski. I'd have him slotted in around 10. interesting, but shows an unusual belief that Rafaela’s free-swinging approach at the plate will not be challenged at higher levels, and conversely not much appreciation for Casas’ excellent approach and closeness to mlb. I believe both are about equal, but have Rafaela higher because I believe there is more upside and defensive value. Ceddanne has already proven the ability to adjust when challenged. I think that the "free swinging" approach debate is outdated these days. If you are able to make consistent contact as you advance and face higher level pitching (which Rafeaela clearly has done) then it becomes more of an eye test for a scout. Again, it's quite close. We are just nitpicking here.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 14, 2022 18:26:02 GMT -5
interesting, but shows an unusual belief that Rafaela’s free-swinging approach at the plate will not be challenged at higher levels, and conversely not much appreciation for Casas’ excellent approach and closeness to mlb. I believe both are about equal, but have Rafaela higher because I believe there is more upside and defensive value. Ceddanne has already proven the ability to adjust when challenged. I think that the "free swinging" approach debate is outdated these days. If you are able to make consistent contact as you advance and face higher level pitching (which Rafeaela clearly has done) then it becomes more of an eye test for a scout. Again, it's quite close. We are just nitpicking here. Another curious claim.
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Post by jbsox on Aug 14, 2022 18:48:57 GMT -5
Not that it matters, but I used to scout years back. With that being said, this is my updated top 20 in the system: 1) Mayer 2) Bello 3) Rafaela 4) Casas 5) Bleis 6) Yorke 7) Walter 8) Jordan 9) Mata 10) Valdez 11) Lugo 12) Anthony 13) Murphy 14) Bonaci 15) Romero 16) Paulino 17) Kavadas 18) Hickey 19) Perales 20) Drohan I did not include Winckowski. I'd have him slotted in around 10. I’m curious on Mata why you have him a little lower than on this site? He has bounced back very well after TJS.
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