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2022 Red Sox Spring Training
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 4, 2022 8:53:17 GMT -5
But he isn't going to be a tv commentator all year....is he??? Is Eck still in the mix or is he gone too? Eck is in the mix, but he doesn't do roadtrips. Eck will thankfully still be around.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 4, 2022 10:43:30 GMT -5
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Apr 4, 2022 11:22:38 GMT -5
NESN broadcast started to go down hill once they let Orsillo go. I am okay with Eck, Millar and Youk. However, NESN dropped the ball bigtime by hiring Mazz as a color analyst. At least the former players bring some perspectives which can be interesting and/or funny. Mazz voice is annoying as hell and he does very little prep work as evidenced his baseball takes which are typically quite bad.
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Post by jl1947 on Apr 4, 2022 13:01:46 GMT -5
I would say O'Brien is more knowledgeable and prepared than Orsillo ever was. Orsillo, on the other hand, was more entertaining when paired with Remy.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 4, 2022 13:06:38 GMT -5
NESN broadcast started to go down hill once they let Orsillo go. I am okay with Eck, Millar and Youk. However, NESN dropped the ball bigtime by hiring Mazz as a color analyst. At least the former players bring some perspectives which can be interesting and/or funny. Mazz voice is annoying as hell and he does very little prep work as evidenced his baseball takes which are typically quite bad. Mike Monaco is way better than Mazz too. Most of us on this forum would be better than Mazz (our voices can’t be any worse lol)
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 4, 2022 13:10:47 GMT -5
Orsillo was likeable, but terrible because he was barely paying attention half the game. O'Brien grates my nerves both with his personality and his lack of baseball knowledge. I bet he'd like if they had a home run derby to decide tie games.
All I want is someone with a brain that is likeable and understands new stats.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 4, 2022 13:35:01 GMT -5
Houck sounds like he's pitching well. Nice to see him get through 5 and at least strike out Correa the third time through the order. According to the box score, only 66 pitches through 5.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 4, 2022 13:44:13 GMT -5
Houck is rounding into form right on time.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Apr 4, 2022 14:40:37 GMT -5
They perfected their practicing hitting into DP's very well today.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 4, 2022 15:05:15 GMT -5
Nice outing by Houck against basically their starting lineup. If he puts up a lot of 6 IP, 2 R starts, I'll gladly take that.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2022 9:06:05 GMT -5
Nice outing by Houck against basically their starting lineup. If he puts up a lot of 6 IP, 2 R starts, I'll gladly take that. LOL, ya think ?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 5, 2022 9:33:18 GMT -5
Christopher Smith @smittyonmlb · 28m Chris Sale said he’d expect to be throwing next week when he’s in Boston with the team. Alex Cora said that’s realistic
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 5, 2022 9:40:26 GMT -5
Christopher Smith @smittyonmlb · 28m Chris Sale said he’d expect to be throwing next week when he’s in Boston with the team. Alex Cora said that’s realistic He also said on the Greg Hill Show yesterday that when he starts throwing, it will be like the start of spring training for him, so 5-6 weeks of ramping up, assuming no setbacks (which is a huge assumption with him).
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 5, 2022 9:42:56 GMT -5
When is Sale eligible to come off the 60 day IL?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 5, 2022 11:13:19 GMT -5
Miguel Bleis is one of a few lower level players that is with the big league club for today's game.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 5, 2022 11:23:18 GMT -5
I would say O'Brien is more knowledgeable and prepared than Orsillo ever was. Orsillo, on the other hand, was more entertaining when paired with Remy. O'Brien has never really had the chance to build up the same kind of rapport with a color analyst, it's been kind of musical chairs every since he came on. That's largely because they were (rightly) accommodating Remy's sickness. But that's not the situation anymore, and instead of running through like twelve ex-players for like 14 games a year, they should find one young-ish guy and stick with him, they way they did with Remy 35 years ago. And, of course, have Eck on as the third man whenever he wants. Orsillo was great. There are many, many ways to get more analytical views of the game while it's going on. Orsillo engaged regular fans in a way that very few people could. I understand he wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but there's a reason folks got so attached to him. It was very, very foolish to let him go.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 5, 2022 11:30:51 GMT -5
Orsillo was likeable, but terrible because he was barely paying attention half the game. O'Brien grates my nerves both with his personality and his lack of baseball knowledge. I bet he'd like if they had a home run derby to decide tie games. All I want is someone with a brain that is likeable and understands new stats. I think they hired Mazz to make us thankful for O’Brien
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 5, 2022 11:53:25 GMT -5
I would say O'Brien is more knowledgeable and prepared than Orsillo ever was. Orsillo, on the other hand, was more entertaining when paired with Remy. O'Brien has never really had the chance to build up the same kind of rapport with a color analyst, it's been kind of musical chairs every since he came on. That's largely because they were (rightly) accommodating Remy's sickness. But that's not the situation anymore, and instead of running through like twelve ex-players for like 14 games a year, they should find one young-ish guy and stick with him, they way they did with Remy 35 years ago. And, of course, have Eck on as the third man whenever he wants. Orsillo was great. There are many, many ways to get more analytical views of the game while it's going on. Orsillo engaged regular fans in a way that very few people could. I understand he wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but there's a reason folks got so attached to him. It was very, very foolish to let him go. O'B had a really good run with Joe Castig. He's also a local guy (NH), which is nice.
Joe's new radio partner (after a couple years of tryouts and transitions after O'B), Will Flemming, is also good but I could do without the daily updates on the cute thing his kid did/said that day.
I've heard Orsillo a couple times of Padres broadcasts and it's too bad that he's put in a position where he has to root for and defend that awful, Machado-led clubhouse.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 5, 2022 12:46:54 GMT -5
Wacha doing his best Garrett Richards impersonation
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 5, 2022 12:53:23 GMT -5
Wacha doing his best Garrett Richards impersonation Not looking forward to Wacha every fifth day. I think I'd rather have taken a flier on Cueto. Hope this statement sounds ridiculous....but odds are they'll both be bad, but Wacha will be $7 million bad.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 5, 2022 13:00:06 GMT -5
Look, if you're spending one year $7 million on a pitcher, you're supposed to get bad. It's really expensive to buy good.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 5, 2022 13:01:06 GMT -5
I would say O'Brien is more knowledgeable and prepared than Orsillo ever was. Orsillo, on the other hand, was more entertaining when paired with Remy. O'Brien has never really had the chance to build up the same kind of rapport with a color analyst, it's been kind of musical chairs every since he came on. That's largely because they were (rightly) accommodating Remy's sickness. But that's not the situation anymore, and instead of running through like twelve ex-players for like 14 games a year, they should find one young-ish guy and stick with him, they way they did with Remy 35 years ago. And, of course, have Eck on as the third man whenever he wants. Orsillo was great. There are many, many ways to get more analytical views of the game while it's going on. Orsillo engaged regular fans in a way that very few people could. I understand he wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but there's a reason folks got so attached to him. It was very, very foolish to let him go. I think O'Brien is very good at his most important job, which is calling the action as it's happening. (If you want to hear what it's like when this is done poorly, listen to John Sterling for any given five minutes - and he does it on the radio!) NESN just refuses to put anyone in the booth who is familiar with any analytical developments in the game in the last 20 years, and as a result the broadcast is just sort of dumb. The contrast to a lot of other booths around the league is striking; NESN is really bringing up the rear on that front. But if they ever do get a more analytically sophisticated color guy, I think they might complement O'Brien nicely, and he might seem a lot better.
That's no knock on Remy or Eckersley, either; they are/were both great. But combined with O'Brien they're less than the sum of their parts, as they all kind of have the same old fart perspective. The proper number of old farts in a broadcast booth is no more nor less than one.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 5, 2022 13:03:41 GMT -5
Look, if you're spending one year $7 million on a pitcher, you're supposed to get bad. It's really expensive to buy good. Wacha + Hill + Paxton = $22 million, right? I wonder how their combined performance will compare to Eduardo Rodriguez' @ $14 million.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 5, 2022 13:06:03 GMT -5
Yeah and the big difference with Xander/Devers and Mookie is that they have shown they want to be here while Mookie was always lukewarm "Lukewarm" is being generous. I think Mookie loves being in a city where the seats aren't filled until the third inning and the media treat the players like Hollywood stars. He was never staying in Boston, even if they outbid everyone by 10%.
I can't think of two other players in the game who I could root for more as people than Xander and Raffy.
Stop with the off-topic, old-news Mookie stuff or I'll be forced to point out that when you adjust hitting for clutch, by using Win Probability Added instead of offensive Wins Above Average, and substitute the more accurate Statcast Runs Saved on Plays Made on defense for what b-Ref uses, Alex Verdugo has 5.6 WAR since the trade and Mookie has 4.8. I don't want to post that because it's not predictive and people might get the wrong idea.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 5, 2022 13:15:34 GMT -5
I would say O'Brien is more knowledgeable and prepared than Orsillo ever was. Orsillo, on the other hand, was more entertaining when paired with Remy. O'Brien has never really had the chance to build up the same kind of rapport with a color analyst, it's been kind of musical chairs every since he came on. That's largely because they were (rightly) accommodating Remy's sickness. But that's not the situation anymore, and instead of running through like twelve ex-players for like 14 games a year, they should find one young-ish guy and stick with him, they way they did with Remy 35 years ago. And, of course, have Eck on as the third man whenever he wants. Orsillo was great. There are many, many ways to get more analytical views of the game while it's going on. Orsillo engaged regular fans in a way that very few people could. I understand he wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but there's a reason folks got so attached to him. It was very, very foolish to let him go. I'm a big fan of Lenny DiNardo, but he's probably not colorful enough to follow Remy or avoid being overshadowed by Eck. These are huge shoes to fill or match.
(I also have some bias for a guy who had the Pixies' "Where is My Mind" as his entrance music, and that I hung out with a bit at a Pixies / Mission of Burma Show in Lowell ...)
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