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2022 Red Sox Spring Training
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 22, 2022 15:38:20 GMT -5
Everyone knock off the personal attacks. Thanks.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 22, 2022 15:43:23 GMT -5
Verdugo is 25 too so it’s not like he’s done developing. Honestly I trust him in big spots more than just about anybody in that lineup, the kid lives for the moment Anyway I thought this was intriguing from our guy Stats Hopefully Gilberto can kind of get back on track. He's got such great tools that I'm not ready to give up on him being a real difference maker.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 22, 2022 16:03:56 GMT -5
Just feel compelled to point out that saying your assessment of Verdugo is "objectively" accurate is objectively wrong. Maybe you were disappointed because your expectations were too high, but he's been a very solid, cost-controlled outfielder. Sure, his power numbers were a little worse than I would personally have hoped last year, but that's about the worst thing you can say about him - I think the vast majority of people would say he's delivered roughly what you would expect over ~200 games. Also, a quick look at his batted ball data/peripherals gives a lot of reason for optimism - first time playing more than 106 games and he has the best walk rate and hard hit % of his career, and highest flyball rate too. I'd say assuming he's healthy this year he's a pretty good bet to outperform last year, and he was pretty good last year. Yes, I think my expectations were probably too high on him. I thought we got the best prospect from the best farm system in baseball. I expected a borderline all-star performance by last season. He was pretty impressive in 2020 and I didn’t anticipate the regression last season from him. He’s definitely fine for the money, but I expected a lot more. I hope this season he can take the next big step forward. Otherwise that “Verdugotendi” label is going to stick. They had one year of control of Mookie who was going to be making like $25M. It's impressive they got as much as they did for him. Who is going to tear up the farm system for one year? It wasn't like trading for 3 years of Chris Sale making $14M.
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Post by manfred on Mar 22, 2022 18:56:26 GMT -5
Yes, I think my expectations were probably too high on him. I thought we got the best prospect from the best farm system in baseball. I expected a borderline all-star performance by last season. He was pretty impressive in 2020 and I didn’t anticipate the regression last season from him. He’s definitely fine for the money, but I expected a lot more. I hope this season he can take the next big step forward. Otherwise that “Verdugotendi” label is going to stick. They had one year of control of Mookie who was going to be making like $25M. It's impressive they got as much as they did for him. Who is going to tear up the farm system for one year? It wasn't like trading for 3 years of Chris Sale making $14M. TBD on the “so much” — if Downs bombs, and Wong is an up-and-down catcher, it puts a lot of pressure on Verdugo. It is hard, because if he were taken in isolation, he’d be, yeah, like Benny. You know what? That’s pretty good! But if you take him big picture, I think it is also fair to call it disappointing. So… maybe everyone is right?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 22, 2022 19:12:13 GMT -5
The Sox also dumped 48M of David Price’s contract. If the Sox had kept Price’s money they could’ve got more prospects.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 22, 2022 19:23:41 GMT -5
The Sox also dumped 48M of David Price’s contract. If the Sox had kept Price’s money they could’ve got more prospects. very good point
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 19:28:32 GMT -5
The Sox also dumped 48M of David Price’s contract. If the Sox had kept Price’s money they could’ve got more prospects. Mookie Betts was a one year $27,000,000 rental into addition to $48,000,000 for David Price. The Red Sox got a starting outfielder with six years of controllability. IMO even if Downs and Wong are busts, the Red Sox came out just fine.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 22, 2022 19:44:28 GMT -5
Its going to be nice to be out of the Price contract after this year and have clean books.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 22, 2022 21:01:42 GMT -5
Reminder: this is a thread about the Red Sox spring training.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 22, 2022 22:01:00 GMT -5
Shots fired early by the Rays TV booth, throwing shade at the Sox pitching staff in the first inning. (Maybe they don't remember who their own starters were in the ALDS -- was that their plan out of last year's spring training?) Then later on they gloated about how the Rays got "two valuable guys" in Chris Mazza and Jeffery Springs in exchange for Roberto Hernandez. The same Mazza and Springs who were about to be released by the Sox and combined for 0.1 WAR last year. And of course there was the obligatory 5 minutes of whinging about Hunter Renfroe "kicking the ball into the stands" last fall and how that rule needs to change (while acknowledging that the Rays won a regular season game due to an almost identical play when a ball bounced off a Rays OF). The airing of ironic grievances concluded with the delicious recognition that "the most frustrating aspect was watching the replays and realizing that it was the correct call!" Meanwhile, on the field the ump's tiny strike zone caused Hill and Whitlock to throw more pitches than they may have planned -- spring training for umps too. Both looked fine against the Rays major leaguers, giving up mostly weak contact. Barnes was also sharp in setting down three minor leaguers.
EDIT: My bad, it's Ronaldo Hernandez, and two of the three guys Barnes set down were big leaguers (Diaz and Choi).
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 23, 2022 1:03:04 GMT -5
Just read that the rosters are expanded to 28 for the month of April due to short spring training.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 12:50:08 GMT -5
Before everyone complains that spring training results do not mean ANYTHING, it does show that all Bloom’s seemingly “meaningless” depht signings make the bottom of the MLB/AAA roster stronger than many/most other teams. When an injury happens, the Red Sox have players to plug into the 26-man roster that are better than other teams, that could mean the difference between a 92 win season, wild card, ALDS, ALCS and sitting at home like the 91 win Blue Jays! …..so hell yes I am excited about a 6-0 start.
In 2018 the Red Sox were 22-9 in spring training, which turned into a 17-2 start. Hopefully we see some of the current success carry over to the regular season.
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Post by taiwansox on Mar 23, 2022 13:06:26 GMT -5
Eovaldi’s offspeed command today has been unreal
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Post by kjkramer on Mar 23, 2022 13:07:24 GMT -5
Eovaldi = Stud
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Post by incandenza on Mar 23, 2022 13:30:57 GMT -5
Before everyone complains that spring training results do not mean ANYTHING, it does show that all Bloom’s seemingly “meaningless” depht signings make the bottom of the MLB/AAA roster stronger than many/most other teams. When an injury happens, the Red Sox have players to plug into the 26-man roster that are better than other teams, that could mean the difference between a 92 win season, wild card, ALDS, ALCS and sitting at home like the 91 win Blue Jays! …..so hell yes I am excited about a 6-0 start. In 2018 the Red Sox were 22-9 in spring training, which turned into a 17-2 start. Hopefully we see some of the current success carry over to the regular season. Just so long as none of those injuries happen to outfielders...
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 23, 2022 14:04:45 GMT -5
Casas sighting!
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Post by taiwansox on Mar 23, 2022 14:21:36 GMT -5
Fitzy for spring MVP lol
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 23, 2022 14:23:41 GMT -5
That's a guy I want to see at least get a cup of coffee in MLB.
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Post by taiwansox on Mar 23, 2022 14:25:57 GMT -5
That's a guy I want to see at least get a cup of coffee in MLB. He has the same late bloomer pedigree as Holt, but looks like he has more tools (maybe lesser contact rate than Holt)
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Post by mobaz on Mar 23, 2022 14:41:55 GMT -5
Before everyone complains that spring training results do not mean ANYTHING, it does show that all Bloom’s seemingly “meaningless” depht signings make the bottom of the MLB/AAA roster stronger than many/most other teams. When an injury happens, the Red Sox have players to plug into the 26-man roster that are better than other teams, that could mean the difference between a 92 win season, wild card, ALDS, ALCS and sitting at home like the 91 win Blue Jays! …..so hell yes I am excited about a 6-0 start. In 2018 the Red Sox were 22-9 in spring training, which turned into a 17-2 start. Hopefully we see some of the current success carry over to the regular season. Does the new CBA revert us to 25 man rosters? Are there changes to September roster rules that we know of? I know that was on the table but never heard in the final agreement. Plus I know there's the expanded roster for a few weeks given truncated spring training.
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Post by nomar on Mar 23, 2022 14:44:46 GMT -5
Jay Groome is so physically imposing. Would love for him to have a big year
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 23, 2022 14:49:02 GMT -5
Before everyone complains that spring training results do not mean ANYTHING, it does show that all Bloom’s seemingly “meaningless” depht signings make the bottom of the MLB/AAA roster stronger than many/most other teams. When an injury happens, the Red Sox have players to plug into the 26-man roster that are better than other teams, that could mean the difference between a 92 win season, wild card, ALDS, ALCS and sitting at home like the 91 win Blue Jays! …..so hell yes I am excited about a 6-0 start. In 2018 the Red Sox were 22-9 in spring training, which turned into a 17-2 start. Hopefully we see some of the current success carry over to the regular season. Does the new CBA revert us to 25 man rosters? Are there changes to September roster rules that we know of? I know that was on the table but never heard in the final agreement. Plus I know there's the expanded roster for a few weeks given truncated spring training. New CBA didn't change anything (nor was such a change on the table). 26-man roster, 28 in September. They're starting the year with 28.
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Post by pedroiaesque on Mar 23, 2022 14:55:54 GMT -5
Jay Groome is so physically imposing. Would love for him to have a big year I thought Groome looked good (except for the hair). Raffy certainly helped him with a nice catch at third for one of the outs. But it was nice to see him be able to locate his FB up to win the lefty-lefty matchup. BTW, you can certainly see where the concern about his body conditioning comes from. He is a large, thick kid. On the flip side, Seabold didn't show much to get excited about, struggling with his control during a rough outing. The velo seemed okay, even without a gun, but he really had issues getting the ball over the plate and limiting contact.
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Post by jmei on Mar 23, 2022 15:44:31 GMT -5
Culture of winning...
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Post by patford on Mar 23, 2022 16:39:57 GMT -5
Jay Groome is so physically imposing. Would love for him to have a big year I thought Groome looked good (except for the hair). Raffy certainly helped him with a nice catch at third for one of the outs. But it was nice to see him be able to locate his FB up to win the lefty-lefty matchup. BTW, you can certainly see where the concern about his body conditioning comes from. He is a large, thick kid. On the flip side, Seabold didn't show much to get excited about, struggling with his control during a rough outing. The velo seemed okay, even without a gun, but he really had issues getting the ball over the plate and limiting contact. I'll take a big thick starting pitcher over a guy who is 6'6" and weighs 180 lbs every time.
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