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2022 Red Sox Spring Training
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 21, 2022 13:43:28 GMT -5
Wacha dancing between the raindrops for three innings today.
Four hits, a walk, a K, two DPs and no runs.
Bradfo reports that Wacha has given up his cutter because it was making his fastball less effective. Clearly part of the FO's and coaching staff's plan when they decided to sign him.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 21, 2022 14:36:35 GMT -5
James Paxton visited the radio booth for an inning today.
My new favorite player. No pitch clock (even though he works quickly himself), no shifts. ("If a guy smokes a pitch into the 4-hole, he deserves a hit... what I can't stand is when I handcuff a guy and he dribbles it to 3B and no one is there.")
What's striking to me is that virtually every player that I've heard asked about rules changes doesn't like them. I guess they're all "get off my lawn" guys like me. I'm comfortable being on the side of the players.
Paxton said he's thrown off a mound twice and will go a third time soon. Aiming for late June, early July return, as has been reported but this time straight from his mouth -- although he cautioned that he hasn't gone full bore yet, so he didn't want to make any guarantees.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 21, 2022 18:55:07 GMT -5
It's only spring training but 5-0 is better than 0-5 (hi, Tito). What's particularly encouraging is Sox pitching has given up 1, 6, 0, 2, and 0 runs thus far. Nine runs in five games.
The Sox have run 26 pitchers out to the mound in the first five games, nine of them twice, and most have looked pretty sharp.
Obviously most of them have been minor leaguers but it's better than most of them getting lit up and having to say "Well, it's only spring training," in that regard.
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Post by KB24 on Mar 22, 2022 8:32:06 GMT -5
Man, I just don't see it ever happening with Jeter Downs. Obviously insanely small sample size but 6Ks in 8ABs to start the spring. Even in the AFL last year where everyone was singing his praises he was still only able to hit .200 with a 34% K rate after a terrible season in Worcester. With Story signed long-term, Xander hopefully returning, and Yorke/Mayer in the pipeline I hope he get have a hot start in AAA so Bloom can package him for a position of greater need.
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Post by cdj on Mar 22, 2022 8:45:32 GMT -5
idrc about numbers yet, I’ll start worrying about Jeter if it’s June and he still looks bad
He started real hot in the AFL but I know he went ice cold, as he often did last year
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Post by benzinger on Mar 22, 2022 9:21:19 GMT -5
Man, I just don't see it ever happening with Jeter Downs. Obviously insanely small sample size but 6Ks in 8ABs to start the spring. Even in the AFL last year where everyone was singing his praises he was still only able to hit .200 with a 34% K rate after a terrible season in Worcester. With Story signed long-term, Xander hopefully returning, and Yorke/Mayer in the pipeline I hope he get have a hot start in AAA so Bloom can package him for a position of greater need. It’s just about time to realize that outside of salary relief(which was needed), the Sox didn’t get anything of note for Mookie. Verdugo has been a huge disappointment, too.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 22, 2022 9:26:34 GMT -5
Man, I just don't see it ever happening with Jeter Downs. Obviously insanely small sample size but 6Ks in 8ABs to start the spring. Even in the AFL last year where everyone was singing his praises he was still only able to hit .200 with a 34% K rate after a terrible season in Worcester. With Story signed long-term, Xander hopefully returning, and Yorke/Mayer in the pipeline I hope he get have a hot start in AAA so Bloom can package him for a position of greater need. It’s just about time to realize that outside of salary relief(which was needed), the Sox didn’t get anything of note for Mookie. Verdugo has been a huge disappointment, too. Verdugo hasn't hit the peak I hoped for but I don't find it fair to say they received nothing of note. Verdugo is at the very least a starting caliber OF. If that's not someone of note I'm not sure what you're qualifications are?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 22, 2022 9:28:24 GMT -5
Man, I just don't see it ever happening with Jeter Downs. Obviously insanely small sample size but 6Ks in 8ABs to start the spring. Even in the AFL last year where everyone was singing his praises he was still only able to hit .200 with a 34% K rate after a terrible season in Worcester. With Story signed long-term, Xander hopefully returning, and Yorke/Mayer in the pipeline I hope he get have a hot start in AAA so Bloom can package him for a position of greater need. Verdugo has been a huge disappointment, too. This is sarcasm, right?
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Post by taiwansox on Mar 22, 2022 9:31:01 GMT -5
It’s just about time to realize that outside of salary relief(which was needed), the Sox didn’t get anything of note for Mookie. Verdugo has been a huge disappointment, too. Verdugo hasn't hit the peak I hoped for but I don't find it fair to say they received nothing of note. Verdugo is at the very least a starting caliber OF. If that's not someone of note I'm not sure what you're qualifications are? The salary relief was huge, but we also can’t forget that Mookie was making 20-25M his last year, so his excess value wasn’t that crazy (not like Sale’s excess value at the time of the trade). Agreed that the prospects have been duds so far, but from a straight-up value perspective, I think we came out ahead. Also, the more we look back, the more we see that Mookie didn’t really want to stay. He seems laid back and relaxed in LA and Boston is a pressure cooker some players don’t love.
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Post by jimoh on Mar 22, 2022 9:31:58 GMT -5
Man, I just don't see it ever happening with Jeter Downs. Obviously insanely small sample size but 6Ks in 8ABs to start the spring. Even in the AFL last year where everyone was singing his praises he was still only able to hit .200 with a 34% K rate after a terrible season in Worcester. With Story signed long-term, Xander hopefully returning, and Yorke/Mayer in the pipeline I hope he get have a hot start in AAA so Bloom can package him for a position of greater need. It’s just about time to realize that outside of salary relief(which was needed), the Sox didn’t get anything of note for Mookie. Verdugo has been a huge disappointment, too. One guy in RF in 2021: 264 .367 .487 .854 Another guy in RF in 2020: 308 .367 .478 .844 The first guy is admittedly a much better fielder and baserunner.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 22, 2022 12:04:55 GMT -5
beat the Rays !!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 22, 2022 12:05:37 GMT -5
Give us a Bobby Bomb !!
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Post by benzinger on Mar 22, 2022 12:21:29 GMT -5
Verdugo has been a huge disappointment, too. This is sarcasm, right? Not at all. A 2.2WAR last year might excite you, but not me. He’s Verdugotendi, I fear. I had higher hopes.
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Post by benzinger on Mar 22, 2022 12:22:49 GMT -5
It’s just about time to realize that outside of salary relief(which was needed), the Sox didn’t get anything of note for Mookie. Verdugo has been a huge disappointment, too. Verdugo hasn't hit the peak I hoped for but I don't find it fair to say they received nothing of note. Verdugo is at the very least a starting caliber OF. If that's not someone of note I'm not sure what you're qualifications are? You are correct. He’s a starting outfielder in MLB. I can’t argue that.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 22, 2022 12:35:11 GMT -5
Verdugo hasn't hit the peak I hoped for but I don't find it fair to say they received nothing of note. Verdugo is at the very least a starting caliber OF. If that's not someone of note I'm not sure what you're qualifications are? You are correct. He’s a starting outfielder in MLB. I can’t argue that. You're the most negative person on this forum, can't argue that
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Post by benzinger on Mar 22, 2022 12:41:49 GMT -5
You are correct. He’s a starting outfielder in MLB. I can’t argue that. You're the most negative person on this forum, can't argue that Not by a longshot. You must not have been around during the playoffs last year. Also, I’m sorry if you are too fragile to handle my objectively accurate assessment of Verdugo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 22, 2022 12:44:49 GMT -5
offense looking llstless. we need a Sale dress down right now. LOL. edit...there we go. nice job Arroyo. This game is important
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 22, 2022 12:52:55 GMT -5
2 out contact Bobby is a good thing as well !!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 22, 2022 13:05:35 GMT -5
Franchy didn't look good there.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 22, 2022 13:42:04 GMT -5
bases loaded squander.....baseball is back !
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Post by RedSoxStats on Mar 22, 2022 14:45:05 GMT -5
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Post by cto94 on Mar 22, 2022 15:01:11 GMT -5
You're the most negative person on this forum, can't argue that Not by a longshot. You must not have been around during the playoffs last year. Also, I’m sorry if you are too fragile to handle my objectively accurate assessment of Verdugo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Just feel compelled to point out that saying your assessment of Verdugo is "objectively" accurate is objectively wrong. Maybe you were disappointed because your expectations were too high, but he's been a very solid, cost-controlled outfielder. Sure, his power numbers were a little worse than I would personally have hoped last year, but that's about the worst thing you can say about him - I think the vast majority of people would say he's delivered roughly what you would expect over ~200 games. Also, a quick look at his batted ball data/peripherals gives a lot of reason for optimism - first time playing more than 106 games and he has the best walk rate and hard hit % of his career, and highest flyball rate too. I'd say assuming he's healthy this year he's a pretty good bet to outperform last year, and he was pretty good last year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 15:16:08 GMT -5
You are correct. He’s a starting outfielder in MLB. I can’t argue that. You're the most negative person on this forum, can't argue that Lol, I can name a few other glass-half-empty people posting in the forum as well. Lol
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Post by cdj on Mar 22, 2022 15:25:09 GMT -5
Verdugo is 25 too so it’s not like he’s done developing. Honestly I trust him in big spots more than just about anybody in that lineup, the kid lives for the moment
Anyway I thought this was intriguing from our guy Stats
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Post by benzinger on Mar 22, 2022 15:30:33 GMT -5
Not by a longshot. You must not have been around during the playoffs last year. Also, I’m sorry if you are too fragile to handle my objectively accurate assessment of Verdugo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Just feel compelled to point out that saying your assessment of Verdugo is "objectively" accurate is objectively wrong. Maybe you were disappointed because your expectations were too high, but he's been a very solid, cost-controlled outfielder. Sure, his power numbers were a little worse than I would personally have hoped last year, but that's about the worst thing you can say about him - I think the vast majority of people would say he's delivered roughly what you would expect over ~200 games. Also, a quick look at his batted ball data/peripherals gives a lot of reason for optimism - first time playing more than 106 games and he has the best walk rate and hard hit % of his career, and highest flyball rate too. I'd say assuming he's healthy this year he's a pretty good bet to outperform last year, and he was pretty good last year. Yes, I think my expectations were probably too high on him. I thought we got the best prospect from the best farm system in baseball. I expected a borderline all-star performance by last season. He was pretty impressive in 2020 and I didn’t anticipate the regression last season from him. He’s definitely fine for the money, but I expected a lot more. I hope this season he can take the next big step forward. Otherwise that “Verdugotendi” label is going to stick.
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