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Red Sox Sign SS Trevor Story
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 20, 2022 11:18:01 GMT -5
According to Buster Olney, Bogaerts not only helped recruit Story but he was one of the main recruiters. That’s interesting.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 20, 2022 11:18:31 GMT -5
Couldn't be just as much about replacing JD going forward as Xander? Rotate the dh duties and share defensive playing time with Xander at short? I think this is right. Looking down the road, which you have to do with these things, replacing JD is an obvious need . . . or not replacing him, but going to a DH-by-committee approach. Having one player locked into the DH slot places constraints on the whole roster. (Of course, we don't have to worry anymore about the DH having to put on a glove for the World Series.) Real interesting to see how this effects the starting line-up and position players going forward. I'm not sure this move creates an obvious clear path this it is meant to resolve other than what others have already pointed out about giving the team options and leverage over existing players whose contracts end or opt out end soon such as Devers, Xander and JDM. I'm thinking the DH spot potentially will be where Devers goes should he be resigned and he'd back up third. Should Xander stay on board I think long term he's geared toward third. York will eventually play second with Cassas at first. Other prospects and players look very expendable right now such as Arroyo, & Downs. Dalbec? Not sure where he goes, maybe they flip Xander for SP, slide Story back to SS and with Dalbec at first until Cassas forces his way into the line-up (hopefully within a few months of the seasons start). If anything it gives the team several more options and creates multiple possibly paths for the team to build on the next few years.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 20, 2022 11:20:32 GMT -5
What the hell is wrong with the Rockies for not trading him? They didn't even make him an offer. I bet they could have gotten more than a 2nd round pick. They hung onto Jon Gray too and didn't give him a QO. The Rockies organization has had its head up its butt for most of the past 15 years.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 20, 2022 11:22:58 GMT -5
Of fangraphs' top 25 free agents, here is a complete list of the guys who signed for an AAV less than the median corwdsource:
Freeman EduardoRod Story Kershaw Matz
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 20, 2022 11:23:33 GMT -5
The Rockies tried to re-sign Story and apparently had the highest bid. They should have had a better read on him though.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 20, 2022 11:23:36 GMT -5
According to Buster Olney, Bogaerts not only helped recruit Story but he was one of the main recruiters. That’s interesting. really just speaks to the character of Bogey. Thanks for posting. That makes me wonder if X is willing to move.... Storys defensive highlight film is pretty impressive. Either way the infield D is improved. IMO the Sox roster looks really good. If Duggy and CV can each return to 2020 levels that is a potent offense.
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Post by zoot on Mar 20, 2022 11:24:32 GMT -5
What the hell is wrong with the Rockies for not trading him? They didn't even make him an offer. I bet they could have gotten more than a 2nd round pick. They hung onto Jon Gray too and didn't give him a QO. The Rockies organization has had its head up its butt for most of the past 15 years. And predictably Monfort was one of the most intransigent owners during the recent kerfuffle.
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Post by manfred on Mar 20, 2022 11:24:37 GMT -5
Yikes. I wonder if there is buyer’s remorse in Arlington?
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 20, 2022 11:27:01 GMT -5
Correa - 27 years old, 5 WAR projection, 1/35 million with big player insurance policy Seager - 28, 5 WAR, 10/325, scary back issue Semien - 31, 5 WAR, 7/175 Story - 29, 4.5 WAR, 6/140, possibly elbow issue Baez - 29, 3 WAR, 6/140 with opt out after 2
I'd say Chaim did pretty good in this market.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 20, 2022 11:28:52 GMT -5
Another underappreciated thing about this signing is Kiké can settle into CF this year, where he is clearly a better fit.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Mar 20, 2022 11:28:55 GMT -5
I think Bogaerts doesn’t want to move before his payday. Once he gets paid, I bet he’s more willing to move. One way or another, I bet Story is at short next year
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Post by incandenza on Mar 20, 2022 11:35:30 GMT -5
Correa - 27 years old, 5 WAR projection, 1/35 million with big player insurance policy Seager - 28, 5 WAR, 10/325, scary back issueSemien - 31, 5 WAR, 7/175 Story - 29, 4.5 WAR, 6/140, possibly elbow issue Baez - 29, 3 WAR, 6/140 with opt out after 2 I'd say Chaim did pretty good in this market. Just look at that. Correa got a "short-term high AAV" deal, but is barely making more than Seager will average over the next decade. And Seager's a year older too.
People have to see what Boras did here, right? It's just blindingly obvious.
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Post by taiwansox on Mar 20, 2022 11:39:17 GMT -5
Correa - 27 years old, 5 WAR projection, 1/35 million with big player insurance policy Seager - 28, 5 WAR, 10/325, scary back issue Semien - 31, 5 WAR, 7/175 Story - 29, 4.5 WAR, 6/140, possibly elbow issue Baez - 29, 3 WAR, 6/140 with opt out after 2 I'd say Chaim did pretty good in this market. Yeah is it safe to say that Baez straight up got a better contract than Story? Seager is the only other overpay, the rest seem pretty reasonable. Correa should have gone to the Rangers for that money, but Boras…
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 20, 2022 11:42:24 GMT -5
Correa - 27 years old, 5 WAR projection, 1/35 million with big player insurance policy Seager - 28, 5 WAR, 10/325, scary back issueSemien - 31, 5 WAR, 7/175 Story - 29, 4.5 WAR, 6/140, possibly elbow issue Baez - 29, 3 WAR, 6/140 with opt out after 2 I'd say Chaim did pretty good in this market. Just look at that. Correa got a "short-term high AAV" deal, but is barely making more than Seager will average over the next decade. And Seager's a year older too.
People have to see what Boras did here, right? It's just blindingly obvious.
I'd love for Xander to ditch Boras and finally hire his brother Jair, opt out and then sign another 1 year opt-out contract before signing a long team friendly deal. Absent that, Correa's former agent should sue Boras and file a complaint with the league.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 20, 2022 11:43:34 GMT -5
I think Bogaerts doesn’t want to move before his payday. Once he gets paid, I bet he’s more willing to move. One way or another, I bet Story is at short next year This could very well be but the Sox could extend him right now and take that carrot away. He is supposed to get 20 this yr so add 3 yrs and offer 7/189 which is 27aav but actually 28 with the added 7 from this yr. Takes him to his age 35 season with a small hometown discount which given what Story just signed for is a reasonable contract for both X and the Sox.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Mar 20, 2022 11:43:37 GMT -5
Nicely done Chaim. If Story performs as he has for the last three years, it’s a great sign. I’m hoping we can rank this with the Whitlock, Pivetta and Yorke moves in terms of savvy. Chaim is building us a nice little baseball team.
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Post by kjkramer on Mar 20, 2022 11:46:54 GMT -5
The splits away from Colorado concern me. I realize his spray charts say he will do well in Boston..... but I am still concerned. I would rather have locked up Devers and X. I think there is a trade in the works based on this signing as well. I would rather have found a 2 year stop gap until Yorke/Mayer are ready.... I was hoping we already had that gap with Fitzy maybe.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 20, 2022 11:48:40 GMT -5
I think Bogaerts doesn’t want to move before his payday. Once he gets paid, I bet he’s more willing to move. One way or another, I bet Story is at short next year This could very well be but the Sox could extend him right now and take that carrot away. He is supposed to get 20 this yr so add 3 yrs and offer 7/189 which is 27aav but actually 28 with the added 7 from this yr. Takes him to his age 35 season with a small hometown discount which given what Story just signed for is a reasonable contract for both X and the Sox. Doubt it will happen but love it. Maybe Xander thinks he's the Seager of next year, hard to turn down that chance.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Mar 20, 2022 11:52:40 GMT -5
I think Bogaerts doesn’t want to move before his payday. Once he gets paid, I bet he’s more willing to move. One way or another, I bet Story is at short next year This could very well be but the Sox could extend him right now and take that carrot away. He is supposed to get 20 this yr so add 3 yrs and offer 7/189 which is 27aav but actually 28 with the added 7 from this yr. Takes him to his age 35 season with a small hometown discount which given what Story just signed for is a reasonable contract for both X and the Sox. Takes two to tango, is he willing to be extended right now? Are the Sox willing to pay him as a shortstop knowing he probably moves immediately? If so, yeah Story could play short this year. Seems unlikely though
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 20, 2022 11:57:02 GMT -5
Just speculating but I wonder if when Cora said “still recruiting” he was talking about Story or about Correa and the Sox were willing to do basically the same contract as the Twins, but Correa wasn’t willing to slide to second for Xander.
Of course they could have preferred the stability of this deal the whole time, but interesting to think about.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Mar 20, 2022 11:57:56 GMT -5
I want to think and read about this more, but some quick thoughts:
1. No doubt, it's a big upgrade at 2B. If CB can find a way to make some other fixes with short-term contracts they may be able to grab one of those cheesy WC spots without locking themselves so deep into LTT jail that it'll be painful to reset in 2023 or 2024.
2. I think CB sees this as the equivalent of a discounted X extension. Starting in 2023 - assuming that X leaves - CB will have his AS-caliber SS for 5 years/$117 million. That's a lot less money and years than it'll cost to keep X. Story and X are comparable players and the same age.
3. This signing gives the organization a lot more power in negotiating with X and Raffy. They can see whether one of them is willing to accept a reasonable offer and change positions. I can see X leaving after this season and CB trading Raffy. It would be BB malpractice to let X, Raffy and Eovaldi all walk for draft picks.
4. I hope Story kills it here and then exercises his opt-out. I'd love for the RS to not be stuck with the decline years.
5. Next, I'm feeling a trade for a mid-rotation SP. They've lost two important starters from last year's PS rotation (E-Rod and Sale) and replaced them with Rich Hill and Michael Wacha. I see CB building a prospect package around guys like Gilberto, Groome, Downs, Chris Murphy, etc. CB won't give up anyone from the top tier of the system.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 20, 2022 12:03:18 GMT -5
I guess this the consolation prize for not signing Iglesias.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Mar 20, 2022 12:08:52 GMT -5
I think Bogaerts doesn’t want to move before his payday. Once he gets paid, I bet he’s more willing to move. One way or another, I bet Story is at short next year This could very well be but the Sox could extend him right now and take that carrot away. He is supposed to get 20 this yr so add 3 yrs and offer 7/189 which is 27aav but actually 28 with the added 7 from this yr. Takes him to his age 35 season with a small hometown discount which given what Story just signed for is a reasonable contract for both X and the Sox. I think it'll take something like that to retain X. But why should the RS offer it? They just signed Story, who's had 13.6 B-Ref WAR the past three years, for 6/140. X has three-year WAR of 12.8 - basically the same as Story. They'll get a draft pick for losing X. They're giving one up to sign Story. If Story's arm is Ok, he'll be able to play a premium position well. X won't be able to excel at a premium position. In fact, he isn't even able to now. I like X as much as anyone, but these are the kind of cold, calculating decisions good GMs make.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 20, 2022 12:12:16 GMT -5
I think people tend to look way too deep at these things. This does not mean X is gone and Yorke and Meyers and Casas will have nothing to do with whether or not they extended Xander and Devers. Their contracts will. Story is nice because he gives a short stop option if the bidding gets out of hand for Xander. If anything, the Correa and Story contracts should give you hope it won’t. Meyers and Yorke are way too far away to be making MLB moves around their futures.
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 20, 2022 12:17:28 GMT -5
The splits away from Colorado concern me. I realize his spray charts say he will do well in Boston..... but I am still concerned. I would rather have locked up Devers and X. I think there is a trade in the works based on this signing as well. I would rather have found a 2 year stop gap until Yorke/Mayer are ready.... I was hoping we already had that gap with Fitzy maybe.
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