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6/3-6/5 Red Sox @ Athletics Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 4, 2022 23:59:19 GMT -5
Win tomorrow and the team is back to .500. Like nothing ever happened boyz. Well except for the 4th in the division, double digits out of first place thing...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 8:50:19 GMT -5
Win tomorrow and the team is back to .500. Like nothing ever happened boyz. Well except for the 4th in the division, double digits out of first place thing... 2021 World Champion Atlanta Braves only won 88 games as someone reminded us….. It is all about who Bloom adds before the deadline…. Frankly, I would not be surprised to see all three wild card teams come from the AL East (it would have happened last year if there were three Bos 92 wins, NYY 92 wins, and Tor 91 wins…. Can’t forget TB who won the division 100 wins).
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 5, 2022 9:07:17 GMT -5
Well except for the 4th in the division, double digits out of first place thing... Just think about all of the prospects the other 3 teams are going to give up at the deadline. *Salivates*
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 5, 2022 10:21:23 GMT -5
Win today and I'm officially off team tank.
Thinking about Artie Moreno voting against any CBT limit increase and drafting all pitchers so he doesn't have to pay for scouts to go to games (or whatever the story was) is making it really hard for me to be okay with any scenario where the Angels make the playoffs.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 5, 2022 10:43:34 GMT -5
Well except for the 4th in the division, double digits out of first place thing... 2021 World Champion Atlanta Braves only won 88 games as someone reminded us….. It is all about who Bloom adds before the deadline…. Frankly, I would not be surprised to see all three wild card teams come from the AL East (it would have happened last year if there were three Bos 92 wins, NYY 92 wins, and Tor 91 wins…. Can’t forget TB who won the division 100 wins). I know...it happens, 2021 Braves, 2011 Cardinals, 1987 Twins, but since when have the Sox won the series without being a truly great team? I know it's a new playoff system and I have to get used to it. Even a sub .500 team can snag a playoff spot, catch fire in October and win the "tournament"
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Post by manfred on Jun 5, 2022 10:49:59 GMT -5
2021 World Champion Atlanta Braves only won 88 games as someone reminded us….. It is all about who Bloom adds before the deadline…. Frankly, I would not be surprised to see all three wild card teams come from the AL East (it would have happened last year if there were three Bos 92 wins, NYY 92 wins, and Tor 91 wins…. Can’t forget TB who won the division 100 wins). I know...it happens, 2021 Braves, 2011 Cardinals, 1987 Twins, but since when have the Sox won the series without being a truly great team? I know it's a new playoff system and I have to get used to it. Even a sub .500 team can snag a playoff spot, catch fire in October and win the "tournament" This. If the Sox finish 4th, win 87 games, then get hot and win the WS, it won’t be that rewarding to me, since it actually debases the regular season. What is the point? I gate expanding the playoffs for this very reason. Baseball is a much flukier sport than others. In a short series, a bad team has a far better chance in baseball than in basketball, for example. A bad football team has virtually no chance of winning the Super Bowl. If you let a team in that has proven to be significantly worse than the leading teams, what is the point of the regular season? I mean, a “Spahn and Sain and pray for rain” team will be mediocre for 162 and hard to beat in 5. Or 1!
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jun 5, 2022 10:55:37 GMT -5
I know...it happens, 2021 Braves, 2011 Cardinals, 1987 Twins, but since when have the Sox won the series without being a truly great team? I know it's a new playoff system and I have to get used to it. Even a sub .500 team can snag a playoff spot, catch fire in October and win the "tournament" This. If the Sox finish 4th, win 87 games, then get hot and win the WS, it won’t be that rewarding to me, since it actually debases the regular season. What is the point? I gate expanding the playoffs for this very reason. Baseball is a much flukier sport than others. In a short series, a bad team has a far better chance in baseball than in basketball, for example. A bad football team has virtually no chance of winning the Super Bowl. If you let a team in that has proven to be significantly worse than the leading teams, what is the point of the regular season? I mean, a “Spahn and Sain and pray for rain” team will be mediocre for 162 and hard to beat in 5. Or 1! If you're not happy about a title because they didn't win more regular season games, I don't know what to f*cking tell you.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 5, 2022 11:03:34 GMT -5
I'm really rooting for the guy. He seems decent, and I like the clothes he wears. There hasn't been, and still isn't, anything that suggests he is worth 6/138. very silly take considering he’s tracking to be a 5 WAR guy Good bat, great runner, elite defender says otherwise. He’s pretty much the exact player I was hoping he would be. He’s been the best of any of that SS group this off-season and he plays the way the game should be played. The only thing that will prevent him from being worth the contract is a potential injury because he’s the kind of guy who is going to get the most out of his talent. He’s a gamer. He’s already knocked in 40 runs and the calendar just flipped to June a couple days ago Since he settled in this last month or so, he's been reminding me a lot of a lesser Mookie, in the sense that he has a bunch of ways that he adds value (hitting, defense, baserunning), so that it seems like he's able to contribute in one way or another in almost every game. The WAR really piles up with a player like that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 5, 2022 11:03:48 GMT -5
This. If the Sox finish 4th, win 87 games, then get hot and win the WS, it won’t be that rewarding to me, since it actually debases the regular season. What is the point? I gate expanding the playoffs for this very reason. Baseball is a much flukier sport than others. In a short series, a bad team has a far better chance in baseball than in basketball, for example. A bad football team has virtually no chance of winning the Super Bowl. If you let a team in that has proven to be significantly worse than the leading teams, what is the point of the regular season? I mean, a “Spahn and Sain and pray for rain” team will be mediocre for 162 and hard to beat in 5. Or 1! If you're not happy about a title because they didn't win more regular season games, I don't know what to f*cking tell you. Personally, I'd be "happy" with the title, but when I think back about the season as a whole, I like to think about special moments during the season. 2004, 2007, 2013, and 2018 were more special to me beyond just the final snapshot moment, although I grant you, those are the separators to other seasons. I sometimes think the 108 win 2018 season is underappreciated, so many great moments, and I certainly have those types of memories from the other championship seasons, but I think there's a lot less of that when you have an 83 win team being a six seed...I'd still enjoy the title, but man are things so watered down.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 5, 2022 11:10:06 GMT -5
Honestly I think the Red Sox were the best team in the league only twice out of their 4 titles.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 5, 2022 11:10:24 GMT -5
I am 100% certain that everybody will be overcome with sporting joy if this team wins 86 games and the World Series.
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Post by cdj on Jun 5, 2022 11:18:04 GMT -5
If they win 86 games and win the WS I’d feel just as good as I did when the 2018 team won the WS
You still ended up beating all the best teams to get there
I really don’t care about regular season record when the playoffs start. It’s a new season. A season within a season
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Post by manfred on Jun 5, 2022 11:46:25 GMT -5
If the regular season runs from April through September and the Sox win 86 games, the post season can’t erase the fact that it wasn’t that fun a summer. The tournament victory can be fun in itself, sure, but getting nuked for months by the Yankees et al is not fun in the moment. If this is entertainment, protracted mediocrity is not optimal.
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Post by cdj on Jun 5, 2022 11:47:28 GMT -5
If the regular season runs from April through September and the Sox win 86 games, the post season can’t erase the fact that it wasn’t that fun a summer. The tournament victory can be fun in itself, sure, but getting nuked for months by the Yankees et al is not fun in the moment. If this is entertainment, protracted mediocrity is not optimal. Winning 4 extra games (or even 10!) over the course of 6 months does not change my summer in the slightest.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 5, 2022 11:54:55 GMT -5
Honestly I think the Red Sox were the best team in the league only twice out of their 4 titles. Actually, only in 2004 were they not the best and that team was no 88 win lightweight. They played .600 ball. The 2007 Sox tied with Cleveland for the best record in the league and the best record in the majors. The 2013 Red Sox tied with the Cardinals for the best record in baseball. The 2018 Red Sox were the best team in baseball. No 85 win or even 90 win cheapies in the bunch. I'd treasure another championship irregardless, but it would certainly be my 5th most favorite title....which certainly feels like a spoiled entitled thing to say.... And yes, it would certainly beat being the 116 win 2001 Mariners or 2021 Giants and Dodgers, with 107 and 106 wins and no title. My commentary has less to do with the Sox and is more a protest of this silly watered down playoff system which will eventually enable a sub .500 team to make the playoffs or even win the series.
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Post by manfred on Jun 5, 2022 11:58:37 GMT -5
If the regular season runs from April through September and the Sox win 86 games, the post season can’t erase the fact that it wasn’t that fun a summer. The tournament victory can be fun in itself, sure, but getting nuked for months by the Yankees et al is not fun in the moment. If this is entertainment, protracted mediocrity is not optimal. Winning 4 extra games (or even 10!) over the course of 6 months does not change my summer in the slightest. Well, I guess coming out of a 5-game series with Orioles thinking “we’ll get ‘em next time” is not going to be one of my favorite memories. Anyway, this is all a hypothetical based on the winning the WS. Those are long odds, so the likelier outcome for that 86, 88 win team (Braves notwithstanding) is getting bounced. Getting one of the expanded WC can’t be consolation, so that is not exactly a rousing season. Add: and that is Sox aside… just generally about the expanded WC. It means making the playoffs doesn’t mean that much if you don’t win.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 5, 2022 12:46:27 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 5, 2022 13:20:42 GMT -5
Talk about a stark reminder of the difference in athleticism between the two sports...
There's prolly guys on this board who would wear that uni better than him!
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 5, 2022 13:38:51 GMT -5
I don't think 86 games gets us the third wild card. I think it's 90 minumum, which would be playing .587 ball the rest of the way, which is a 95-win pace for the whole year, which isn't shabby. It means that the Sox would be one of the hotter teams going into the playoffs, which is better than peaking in May (hello, MFYs). I'd celebrate any subsequent success they enjoyed with relish.
The alternative is something like this year's Bruins. Good, not great team, capable of beating just about anyone when playing well (except in North Carolina); with a little puck luck in Game 7, they might've given NYR a run for their money before bowing once again to the Lightning.
But why reach to another sport for an analogy? The 2022 Sox could be 2021 redux, and that was a great ride. Sneak into the tournament, eliminate the MFYs and Jays/Rays, then maybe get lucky in the ALCS with a call or two that go our way and ride a bullpen of Schreiber, Strahm, Houck, Bello, Mata, and German to the promised land!
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Post by cdj on Jun 5, 2022 13:39:38 GMT -5
Talk about a stark reminder of the difference in athleticism between the two sports...
There's prolly guys on this board who would wear that uni better than him!
As long as the arm has juice in it that’s all that matters. John Wall is (was?) supremely athletic and we all saw that first pitch lol
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Post by cdj on Jun 5, 2022 13:42:42 GMT -5
Duran Hernandez Devers Bogaerts Verdugo Story Cordero Vazquez Dalbec
Day off for JD
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 5, 2022 13:52:01 GMT -5
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 5, 2022 15:10:38 GMT -5
'Sup fools ?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 5, 2022 15:11:38 GMT -5
Give Duran the starting gig !!
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Post by nomar on Jun 5, 2022 15:12:12 GMT -5
Duran for Montas is more than fair after that single
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