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6/24-6/26 Red Sox @ Guardians Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Jun 23, 2022 18:30:27 GMT -5
6/24 Red Sox (RHP Nick Pivetta, 7-5, 3.31, 81.2 IP, 82K:29BB) @ Guardians (RHP Cal Quantrill, 4-4, 3.77, 71.2 IP, 44K:23BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/25 Red Sox (RHP Josh Winckowski, 2-1, 3.68, 14.2 IP, 9K:5BB) @ Guardians (RHP Shane Bieber, 3-3, 3.00, 78.0 IP, 84K:18BB) 6:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/26 Red Sox (LHP Rich Hill, 3-4, 4.35, 60.0 IP, 50K:15BB) @ Guardians (RHP Aaron Civale, 2-3, 7.25, 36.0 IP, 37K:10BB) 1:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2022: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 8:53:19 GMT -5
Downs has been sent to AAA yesterday presumably so Arroyo can be added for the Gaurdians series.
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Post by Canseco on Jun 24, 2022 9:16:41 GMT -5
I’ve had a really hard time adjusting to the Tribe being called the Guardians now.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 24, 2022 9:56:36 GMT -5
I’ve had a really hard time adjusting to the Tribe being called the Guardians now. Horrible I agree |
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Post by cdj on Jun 24, 2022 11:03:46 GMT -5
Should’ve been the Spiders smdh
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 24, 2022 11:06:17 GMT -5
I guess they are guarding the land from being taken by the government.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jun 24, 2022 11:14:31 GMT -5
I guess they are guarding the land from being taken by the government. I think you meant the "palefaces", government was only part of the problem.  |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 24, 2022 11:24:59 GMT -5
I guess they are guarding the land from being taken by the government. I think you meant the "palefaces", government was only part of the problem.  Apparently the British promised native tribes that if they helped the Brits win the War of 1812, they would've been offered what is now Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin in a treaty while Britain kept what had already been settled by the Americans along the Atlantic seaboard.
Would've been a pretty different world...
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 24, 2022 12:48:16 GMT -5
I still think the Cleveland team should be named after whatever bugs covered Joba Chamberlain that night.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 24, 2022 13:07:08 GMT -5
Should’ve been the Spiders smdh Should have moved to Indianapolis and become the .500s |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 24, 2022 13:43:24 GMT -5
Guardians is just a lame name. I'd take about 60% of all nouns ahead of Guardians.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 13:48:55 GMT -5
The Guardians has to be the most stupid name for any team ever. They may as well have called themselves the PCs (for political correct).
A better choice would have been to use something like MILB used:
Sea Dogs
Yard Goats
Flying Squirrels
I read an interview several years ago and a Native American Indian said that he was glad for the use of Braves, Red Skins, and Indians, because if not for their use his people would be forgotten entirely.
As someone who has read hundreds of books on Native American history I see no disrespect toward them by the use of their names or symbols. Cleveland should change the name back to Indians.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 24, 2022 13:51:20 GMT -5
The Guardians has to be the most stupid name for any team ever. They may as well have called themselves the PCs (for political correct). A better choice would have been to use something like MILB used: Sea Dogs Yard Goats Flying Squirrels I read an interview several years ago and a Native American Indian said that he was glad for the use of Braves, Red Skins, and Indians, because if not for their use his people would be forgotten entirely. I understand the point, but I believe that some of those names are on differing levels of offensive than others. Well one in particular imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 13:56:34 GMT -5
The Guardians has to be the most stupid name for any team ever. They may as well have called themselves the PCs (for political correct). A better choice would have been to use something like MILB used: Sea Dogs Yard Goats Flying Squirrels I read an interview several years ago and a Native American Indian said that he was glad for the use of Braves, Red Skins, and Indians, because if not for their use his people would be forgotten entirely. I understand the point, but I believe that some of those names are on differing levels of offensive than others. Well one in particular imo. Yes, Red Skin could be offensive until you saw how distinguished the Indian on the helmet looked. My kids said the Red Skins helmet was the “coolest helmet ever”. I don’t see any of those names offensive. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 24, 2022 14:01:53 GMT -5
It was time to move on from "Indians" and it was waaaaay past time to move on from "Redskins."
It's too bad they couldn't come up with a name that celebrates their home city. I guess that's the problem with playing in Cleveland.
The Cleveland Mistakes by the Lake just wouldn't work, though that would have been Oil Can Boyd's first suggestion.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 24, 2022 14:06:12 GMT -5
kingofthetrill, you're looking for Midges I believe. I CONSTANTLY want to call them the Defenders because of the old Connecticut Defenders minor league team. I don't mind "Guardians," but the logos were an enormous swing-and-miss for me. They're named after damn Guardian statues... stylize the statues!
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jun 24, 2022 14:06:45 GMT -5
I understand the point, but I believe that some of those names are on differing levels of offensive than others. Well one in particular imo. Yes, Red Skin could be offensive until you saw how distinguished the Indian on the helmet looked. My kids said the Red Skins helmet was the “coolest helmet ever”. I don’t see any of those names offensive. So, a team named the "Brown Skins" would be Ok, as long as the logo bore some resemblance to a distinguished person - perhaps Colin Powell, Jackie Robinson or MLK? |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 24, 2022 14:08:41 GMT -5
I still miss the Navigators. And the Whalers.  That being said I'm also irrationally upset that there's a team in Oklahoma named after thunderstorms and they went with "Oklahoma City Thunder" and not "OK Boomers" |
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Post by hank on Jun 24, 2022 14:23:45 GMT -5
I understand the point, but I believe that some of those names are on differing levels of offensive than others. Well one in particular imo. Yes, Red Skin could be offensive until you saw how distinguished the Indian on the helmet looked. My kids said the Red Skins helmet was the “coolest helmet ever”. I don’t see any of those names offensive. With all respect, who cares what you think? Isn't it about what the Native Americans think? And a percentage found being mascots for sports teams less than flattering, even if they had cool helmets. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 24, 2022 14:33:23 GMT -5
Yes, Red Skin could be offensive until you saw how distinguished the Indian on the helmet looked. My kids said the Red Skins helmet was the “coolest helmet ever”. I don’t see any of those names offensive. With all respect, who cares what you think? Isn't it about what the Native Americans think? And a percentage found being mascots for sports teams less than flattering, even if they had cool helmets. Also, not to get too off track, but calling the logo "distinguished" and not "a horrifying caricature" is preeeetty obtuse |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 24, 2022 14:36:56 GMT -5
With all respect, who cares what you think? Isn't it about what the Native Americans think? And a percentage found being mascots for sports teams less than flattering, even if they had cool helmets. Now I have that scene from My Cousin Vinny stuck in my head. "Imagine, you're a little deer, and you find a cute little brook, and you bend down to get a drink and put your cute little deer lips on the water and BAM! your brains are scattered all over the place. Now, let me AXE you, do you give a **** how cool the helmets the descendants of the people who oppressed your people look? |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 24, 2022 14:56:53 GMT -5
I think you meant the "palefaces", government was only part of the problem. Apparently the British promised native tribes that if they helped the Brits win the War of 1812, they would've been offered what is now Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin in a treaty while Britain kept what had already been settled by the Americans along the Atlantic seaboard. Would've been a pretty different world...
You mean like the British let India, Greece, Egypt and the tribal nations of sub-Saharan Africa keep their lands? OK... |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 24, 2022 14:57:18 GMT -5
I still think the Cleveland team should be named after whatever bugs covered Joba Chamberlain that night. MURDER HORNETS!! |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 24, 2022 15:03:15 GMT -5
The Guardians has to be the most stupid name for any team ever. They may as well have called themselves the PCs (for political correct). A better choice would have been to use something like MILB used: Sea Dogs Yard Goats Flying Squirrels I read an interview several years ago and a Native American Indian said that he was glad for the use of Braves, Red Skins, and Indians, because if not for their use his people would be forgotten entirely. As someone who has read hundreds of books on Native American history I see no disrespect toward them by the use of their names or symbols. Cleveland should change the name back to Indians. I think if they kept the name and changed the logo, which was what many tribal people cited as offensive, they would've been fine. Trust me, having spent some time on reservations in the Southwest in my 20s, sports teams' names are very low on the pop list for tribal people. Now, if Apple wanted to move their iPhone assembly plants out of China and onto reservations, THAT would move the needle. That and genuine apprenticeship programs for skilled trade, better school and teachers and legit community college and university scholarship programs, adequate health care facilities and staffing and some legit drug and alcohol treatment programs would be top of wish lists. Sorry, we've hit a nerve. |
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Post by rico6 on Jun 24, 2022 15:04:43 GMT -5
Their uniforms should look similar to a mall cop or a security service. The name Guardians makes me think of a security service.
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