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Red Sox To Designate Jackie Bradley Jr. For Assignment
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Aug 4, 2022 11:58:46 GMT -5
Still not changing my name! Never!
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Post by ephus on Aug 4, 2022 12:17:12 GMT -5
I think a lot of people are overthinking this. If he gets through waivers you may be able to complete a deal for a PTNL that allows you to move some of that money. Given his production this year, Jaylin Davis basically makes him redundant (ducks) and if someone claims him, you save all the money and still have your 4th outfielder in Davis. This is a completely logical move.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 4, 2022 12:18:46 GMT -5
lol predictable
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Post by levi on Aug 4, 2022 12:19:34 GMT -5
Relevant to Bradley and the trade involving Renfroe -- I know SP is bearish on David Hamilton but has anyone noticed how high ZiPS is on him? Projecting him to be a 1-2 WAR player next year which is more than Jeter Downs (0.9 WAR), Ronaldo Hernandez (0.9 WAR), and Connor Wong (0.9 WAR). ZiPS is high on Emmanuel Valdez as well (1.2 WAR).
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Post by nomar on Aug 4, 2022 12:52:20 GMT -5
I think a lot of people are overthinking this. If he gets through waivers you may be able to complete a deal for a PTNL that allows you to move some of that money. Given his production this year, Jaylin Davis basically makes him redundant (ducks) and if someone claims him, you save all the money and still have your 4th outfielder in Davis. This is a completely logical move. I would let a team buy Gilberto Jimenez, Bonaci, etc with JBJ to get us under the luxury tax threshold. Probably a pipe dream
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 4, 2022 12:59:03 GMT -5
Relevant to Bradley and the trade involving Renfroe -- I know SP is bearish on David Hamilton but has anyone noticed how high ZiPS is on him? Projecting him to be a 1-2 WAR player next year which is more than Jeter Downs (0.9 WAR), Ronaldo Hernandez (0.9 WAR), and Connor Wong (0.9 WAR). ZiPS is high on Emmanuel Valdez as well (1.2 WAR). Entirely tied up in defense and baserunning, which is valuable to be sure, but if he can't hit at all he's not going to get any opportunity to provide that value
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 4, 2022 13:03:37 GMT -5
Relevant to Bradley and the trade involving Renfroe -- I know SP is bearish on David Hamilton but has anyone noticed how high ZiPS is on him? Projecting him to be a 1-2 WAR player next year which is more than Jeter Downs (0.9 WAR), Ronaldo Hernandez (0.9 WAR), and Connor Wong (0.9 WAR). ZiPS is high on Emmanuel Valdez as well (1.2 WAR). For many of these guys, the fWAR value created by the ZiPs projections is overly reliant on the positional adjustments. If you notice, those guys are all catchers or middle infielders (Valdez also plays the hot corner), as much of the minor league data that is used for infield defense is heavily regressed (when used), you end up with an average-ish glove at a premium position. So regardless of minor league offensive success, or defensive success, these players will always appear to be more valuable than a replacement level player. This will skew a bit higher or lower given the player's age (Ryan Fitzgerald is only projecting 0.4 fWAR, for instance, as he is old for a AAA player). ZiPs is better at projecting elite offensive talent than middle-of-the-road prospects. Try it with some other guys and you'll find similar results.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 4, 2022 13:12:29 GMT -5
Has anyone done a welfare check on dmaineah?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 4, 2022 13:16:31 GMT -5
I really don't understand what Bloom is thinking here.
First, just want to say that I'll always think of JBJ fondly.
That said, I get the gamble Bloom did bringing him back for Renfroe, but like others said, not having a backup plan if they dumped Renfroe never made sense.
I remember arguing with others that Bloom was turning JBJ into a 3rd OF while others insisted he was only a 4th OF. Obviously he was their regular RF and it's not surprising that his offense was so bad it more then negated his glove. And this downgrade for 2022 all fir a prospect that might just be a AAAA player with no viable defensive position and a speedster who can't hit, all while increasing payroll.
He should have fortified RF first before taking on that gamble....all while Tommy Pham was available late into spring training, not that I really wanted him.
So my question is why DFA him now? Supposedly the Sox are trying to put their best team on the field for the remainder of 2022.
So if you get Pham for LF and are forced to weaken Verdugo defensively by shoving him in RF all while Kiké is still injured and defensive liability Duran is still in CF, then why would you dump JBJ when he could still help them defensively?
They have misused JBJ so badly it's sad. They forced him to have way too many ABs when hitting is his worst attribute, but they refuse to use him as a defensive specialist in later innings for a defensively challenged outfield when he actually could have been utilized for what he does best.
Talk about misusing your roster. I find Bloom's roster construction for 2022 to be highly suspect and questionable and it reflects in the standings and JBJ is a good example of this.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 4, 2022 13:20:37 GMT -5
My immediate reaction is that I think this is a bit harsh. Ideally I wish he could have stayed on as our defensive 4th outfielder. But even right now, I think he's more valuable to the team as the current starting CF than Duran. Worse OPS, worse wOBA, but (1) his defense should have been able to offset that and (2) Duran in the lineup isn't crushing it to begin with. It feels like they could have gone a different way with the 40-man (DFA Sanchez?) but this also might mean that they feel really good about Jaylin Davis too as that 4th outfielder. Jaylin Davis is a right handed complement to LH Duran and Verdugo, plays CF, and hits better. I was hoping Davis would not get sent down. Sanchez currently is the only bench 2B/SS, so it made sense for JBJ to go. If this team had more pop then JBJ might have been able to remain, but with JD’s blackout and team wide (except for Devers) HR void, it is hard to carry JBJ’s bat (or lack there of).
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 4, 2022 13:21:49 GMT -5
I think a lot of people are overthinking this. If he gets through waivers you may be able to complete a deal for a PTNL that allows you to move some of that money. Given his production this year, Jaylin Davis basically makes him redundant (ducks) and if someone claims him, you save all the money and still have your 4th outfielder in Davis. This is a completely logical move. You are right. As soon as Bradley clears waivers, Sox can trade him. Aug 2 deadline was for 40-man players.
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Post by kman22 on Aug 4, 2022 13:24:22 GMT -5
Sounds like he's been released according to Chris Cotillo.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 4, 2022 13:24:24 GMT -5
I don't like this. First of all, it makes me sad.
Second of all, just start him against righties at home. He's got a wRC+ against righties of 70, and a wRC+ at home of 112. With his glove, that plays. (I'm sure there's some randomness to the bananas home/road split, but I don't think it's all random. He knows how to use the Monster.)
Third of all, the outfield now is, what, Pham, Duran, and Verdugo, left to right? That is very yikes, defensively (and not good offensively either). Now more than ever, with the Pham addition, they need a late inning defensive replacement to bring in.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 4, 2022 13:24:49 GMT -5
Relevant to Bradley and the trade involving Renfroe -- I know SP is bearish on David Hamilton but has anyone noticed how high ZiPS is on him? Projecting him to be a 1-2 WAR player next year That projection was made before this season, and Hamilton has performed less well than hoped. It was also rating Hamilton as a borderline gold glove SS. I was very confused by how the model came to believe that based on its inputs.
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Post by seamus on Aug 4, 2022 13:37:22 GMT -5
I think a lot of people are overthinking this. If he gets through waivers you may be able to complete a deal for a PTNL that allows you to move some of that money. Given his production this year, Jaylin Davis basically makes him redundant (ducks) and if someone claims him, you save all the money and still have your 4th outfielder in Davis. This is a completely logical move. You are right. As soon as Bradley clears waivers, Sox can trade him. Aug 2 deadline was for 40-man players. I thought waiver trades were eliminated a couple of years ago? This could potentially have payroll implications, but I don't think they can trade him at this point.
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Post by soxinsf on Aug 4, 2022 13:37:30 GMT -5
I don't like this. First of all, it makes me sad.
Second of all, just start him against righties at home. He's got a wRC+ against righties of 70, and a wRC+ at home of 112. With his glove, that plays. (I'm sure there's some randomness to the bananas home/road split, but I don't think it's all random. He knows how to use the Monster.)
Third of all, the outfield now is, what, Pham, Duran, and Verdugo, left to right? That is very yikes, defensively (and not good offensively either). Now more than ever, with the Pham addition, they need a late inning defensive replacement to bring in.
I hope Bloom has a viable plan. So far, this all feels schizophrenic on the one hand and a prayer based on a bunch of never wozzers and impossible dreams on the other. And, to me, the JBJ/Renfroe trade also falls into the pipe dream category. Sure, we all love what JBJ did for us. What a great fielder and teammate. But there was little chance that he was going to hit. Look back at the consensus on this board when he was bought back. We all hope that this action will shed salary. But who is going to pick up that load. Anyone who wants him will wait until he is released. It is a sad end to a great player.
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 4, 2022 14:05:10 GMT -5
You are right. As soon as Bradley clears waivers, Sox can trade him. Aug 2 deadline was for 40-man players. I thought waiver trades were eliminated a couple of years ago? This could potentially have payroll implications, but I don't think they can trade him at this point. Its irrelevant......He has been released www.nbcsportsedge.com/baseball/mlb/player/19816/jackie-bradley
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Post by cdj on Aug 4, 2022 14:19:01 GMT -5
Let him pick his next spot, hopefully he can end up on a bench of a contender as a defensive replacement
Phillies would be smart to get him if they have room. They’ve got some butchers out there and he has the connection with DD
Edit: forgot they added Brandon Marsh
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 4, 2022 14:21:55 GMT -5
I don't like this. First of all, it makes me sad.
Second of all, just start him against righties at home. He's got a wRC+ against righties of 70, and a wRC+ at home of 112. With his glove, that plays. (I'm sure there's some randomness to the bananas home/road split, but I don't think it's all random. He knows how to use the Monster.)
Third of all, the outfield now is, what, Pham, Duran, and Verdugo, left to right? That is very yikes, defensively (and not good offensively either). Now more than ever, with the Pham addition, they need a late inning defensive replacement to bring in.
The team needs Kiké back so much. With him, things make a lot more sense. Pham/Hernandez/Verdugo, but with Duran mixing in a fair bit at CF or LF against RHP. Davis back to AAA.
If and when Story makes it back too, that actually looks like a team. IF: Devers, Bogaerts, Story, Hosmer, Arroyo, Dalbec, JDM. I like the look of that.
This team does have a real chance to peak at the right time, but the injury luck needs to reverse itself in a big way down the stretch.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 4, 2022 14:37:31 GMT -5
I'll bet those JBJ to Philly rumors involved us getting the similarly overpaid Didi Gregorious back, who was released today.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 4, 2022 14:54:55 GMT -5
I know that this means very little but even with his -1.1 bWar over the past 2 seasons he still has the 3rd most bWar of all time for #40 picks, even beating out Milton Bradley and Huston Street.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 4, 2022 15:21:15 GMT -5
One thing about the JBJ vs Renfroe nonsense that some cannot grasp is that Renfroe was overrated defensively in RF by WAR while playing in Fenway because it's far harder than dWAR indicates and JBJ was likewise underrated. The gap is not as large as WAR indicates.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Houston.
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Post by Canseco on Aug 4, 2022 15:22:55 GMT -5
Sad day. JBJ is one of my all time favorites.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 4, 2022 16:07:30 GMT -5
One thing about cutting JBJ: until Kiké comes back, we are going to see some innings with Pham and Verdugo in CF, where they know what to do but will have limited range.
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Post by manfred on Aug 4, 2022 16:20:09 GMT -5
Thing that bums me out is that when JBJ left, it was on sort of a high. He’d played well and got a really great deal. It was an end everyone could be happy with.
Now, he gets brought back in a bad trade, put in a position to be a failed third OF instead of a reserve guy, and he is ignominiously released by a .500 team. It is a sad end.
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