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Red Sox To Designate Jackie Bradley Jr. For Assignment
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Post by terriblehondo on Aug 4, 2022 16:37:39 GMT -5
I wanted him after watching him at SC and was so happy the Sox got him. I did think he would hit in the .260-280 range. But I loved that d. I cringe when I think of what this outfield is going to be like for the rest of the year in the field. I don't get cutting him with this outfield, there would be plenty of times when his defense would have helped even if it was just late in games they were ahead.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Aug 4, 2022 16:59:54 GMT -5
How can anyone forget the 29 game hitting streak he put up and was hitting an astounding 410 at the time. He showed he could do it, but then everything just fell apart. I am sad to see him end this way and am disappointed in management way of handling this.
I know sentamentality has nothing to do with this business, but damn it I remember the great plays he made in centerfield and it is hard to let got of that. He was a treasure in center and I think he was good in right, but not as good as he was in center. it is too bad he couldn't find the magic again back in Boston and particularly on the road.
Saying all that, I hope Bloom has a better idea on how to get better through the minors because I am not seeing a lot yet in his moves. He has made a lot of good moves, but has made a few questionable ones also. The Matt Barnes extension on the top of my list. Jackie, I am sure, was a stopgap measure for defense until they had the flexibility with the cap space. I am more frustrated in letting Schwarber go. JD has not performed as hoped and Schwarber has been a beast for Philly. OBP has not been good though, so who knows.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 4, 2022 17:07:13 GMT -5
I'm just saying, if we were trying to get a good draft pick next year, JBJ could have helped us do it.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 4, 2022 17:16:47 GMT -5
I don't like this. First of all, it makes me sad. Second of all, just start him against righties at home. He's got a wRC+ against righties of 70, and a wRC+ at home of 112. With his glove, that plays. (I'm sure there's some randomness to the bananas home/road split, but I don't think it's all random. He knows how to use the Monster.)
Third of all, the outfield now is, what, Pham, Duran, and Verdugo, left to right? That is very yikes, defensively (and not good offensively either). Now more than ever, with the Pham addition, they need a late inning defensive replacement to bring in.
Yes and yes. But very sad. He was a grit player. Fine line with his offense, and it turns out his time in Milwaukee was not an outlier. I also read that his eyes need corrective lenses now (he wears contacts). Even with glasses/contacts, many players who have their visions degrade just a bit tend to lose just enough reaction time to watch their offense drop. I think it was Jim Rice who said toward the end of his Sox career he had a more difficult time picking up pitches in night games (and later needed glasses). If you compare his day game to night game performance in his last few years, I think it bears him out. Anyway, sad to see JBJ go, but it was a bad deal to begin with, in my opinion.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 4, 2022 17:20:02 GMT -5
Huge bummer to lose JBJ, but if the team thinks he's worse than Jaylin Davis now I don't agree with the takes that they should have kept him on the roster out of respect.
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Post by seamus on Aug 4, 2022 17:49:41 GMT -5
Yeah, your 4th OF can't be exclusively a late-inning defensive replacement. If he was a no-hit middle infielder, that might be fine as a back-up, but he's getting too many plate appearances in a role with a higher offensive bar to clear.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 4, 2022 18:29:58 GMT -5
What's baffling about Bloom is he makes some decisions that indicate he's all in on winning now at the ML level and others that indicate he's willing to risk big sacrifices at the ML level to build up the farm system.
The guy who declined to trade Eovaldi at the deadline because he didn't want to quit on a team with a ~1 percent of winning the WS is the same guy who massively downgraded RF to get a prospect rated in the high teens in the RS system.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 4, 2022 18:33:38 GMT -5
On the JBJ release, it's never pleasant to see a long-time, popular player get the gate. But the BB argument for dropping him can't be denied. He's been one of the worst players in MLB for two years running.
I've met him a number of times at various events and he's a 100 percent class act. I wish him well and will never forget his catches in the OF or his 2018 ALCS. On a team laden with stars, he was the best player against the defending world champs and led us to a WS.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 4, 2022 19:08:40 GMT -5
What's baffling about Bloom is he makes some decisions that indicate he's all in on winning now at the ML level and others that indicate he's willing to risk big sacrifices at the ML level to build up the farm system. The guy who declined to trade Eovaldi at the deadline because he didn't want to quit on a team with a ~1 percent of winning the WS is the same guy who massively downgraded RF to get a prospect rated in the high teens in the RS system. They may have a 1% chance of winning the world series, but it's a 25-30% chance of making the playoffs, and I think the latter is a relevant metric for a successful season. Not the only metric, but a relevant one.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 4, 2022 19:12:23 GMT -5
What's baffling about Bloom is he makes some decisions that indicate he's all in on winning now at the ML level and others that indicate he's willing to risk big sacrifices at the ML level to build up the farm system. The guy who declined to trade Eovaldi at the deadline because he didn't want to quit on a team with a ~1 percent of winning the WS is the same guy who massively downgraded RF to get a prospect rated in the high teens in the RS system. They may have a 1% chance of winning the world series, but it's a 25-30% chance of making the playoffs, and I think the latter is a relevant metric for a successful season. Not the only metric, but a relevant one. This is an interesting way to look at it I think i agree. Let's say they get into the playoffs. I would have to imagine their chances of winning the WS rise from 1%. I'd have to think the 1% is taking into account they only have a 30% chance of making the playoffs to begin with. I guess what I'm saying is the old adage you can't win it if you aren't participating. Don't get me wrong I absolutely don't think they're winning a WS but baseball is funky game and sometimes the hottest team wins not necessarily the best one.
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Post by manfred on Aug 4, 2022 19:19:52 GMT -5
I don’t think that standard is what it was. The Sox could theoretically finish 4th in the East and get the last WC. That means we watch 162 games of them being not very good, then presumably (based on the scenario) not making the WS.
A successful season, to me, is one that suggests growth towards a title. If not in that season in the next few years.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 4, 2022 19:19:56 GMT -5
Wonder if anyone signs him or he ends up in Worcester. The Phillies will sign him if no one else does just for a defensive replacement (prorated league minimum). Good chance it happens. JBJ going to Philly was the rumor until they traded for Brandon Marsh. I guess the Sox dodged the Mickey Moniak bullet.
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Post by prospectguy34 on Aug 4, 2022 19:25:15 GMT -5
JBJ was actually released, deleted a post thinking they could sell his contract for prospects. Which stinks.
The Sox were selling JBJ at the deadline, couldn't make it work.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 4, 2022 19:27:59 GMT -5
I don’t think that standard is what it was. The Sox could theoretically finish 4th in the East and get the last WC. That means we watch 162 games of them being not very good, then presumably (based on the scenario) not making the WS. A successful season, to me, is one that suggests growth towards a title. If not in that season in the next few years. Do you think that we are on that path? I believe so, but think it will be slower than we would like. Can we compete with the Yanks next year on the basis of what we have or can get back from injury and counting possible free agent or opt out losses? Even if we do not lose JD (how much left?) or Eovaldi who may have lost a bit, what process can forseably transform us? We are some 17 games behind the Yankee team that so far this year has some 82 more home runs and a team ERA .97 runs less and has scored about 100 more runs than the Sox. That is one huge gap on both sides of the ball. I know that hope springs eternal, but I suspect if the records and personnel were reversed..Yanks to Sox, we would consider them buried.
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Post by manfred on Aug 4, 2022 19:30:32 GMT -5
I don’t think that standard is what it was. The Sox could theoretically finish 4th in the East and get the last WC. That means we watch 162 games of them being not very good, then presumably (based on the scenario) not making the WS. A successful season, to me, is one that suggests growth towards a title. If not in that season in the next few years. Do you think that we are on that path? Can we compete with the Yanks next year on the basis of what we have or can get back from injury and counting possible free agent or opt out losses? We are some 17 games behind the Yankee team that so far this year has some 70 more home runs and a team ERA .75 runs less than the Sox. I know that hope springs eternal, but I suspect if the records and personnel were reversed, we would be panning them. Well, I’m not saying you *have* to finish first, so for all I know they could beat the Yanks in a seven game series now. I think they are a huge underdog now, and I don’t think they’d be less so next year. Of course, we expect a winter binge, and maybe the Yanks lose Judge?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 4, 2022 19:33:01 GMT -5
What's baffling about Bloom is he makes some decisions that indicate he's all in on winning now at the ML level and others that indicate he's willing to risk big sacrifices at the ML level to build up the farm system. The guy who declined to trade Eovaldi at the deadline because he didn't want to quit on a team with a ~1 percent of winning the WS is the same guy who massively downgraded RF to get a prospect rated in the high teens in the RS system. They may have a 1% chance of winning the world series, but it's a 25-30% chance of making the playoffs, and I think the latter is a relevant metric for a successful season. Not the only metric, but a relevant one. I hear your point, but given the return that I think EO could have brought from a contending team, I still think selling was an easy decision. I'd take the top 50 prospect - and I don't think that's a stretch - and the chance to get under the LTT over a 27 percent chance of making the playoffs (which is where FG has them now).
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Post by manfred on Aug 4, 2022 19:37:02 GMT -5
They may have a 1% chance of winning the world series, but it's a 25-30% chance of making the playoffs, and I think the latter is a relevant metric for a successful season. Not the only metric, but a relevant one. I hear your point, but given the return that I think EO could have brought from a contending team, I still think selling was an easy decision. I'd take the top 50 prospect - and I don't think that's a stretch - and the chance to get under the LTT over a 27 percent chance of making the playoffs (which is where FG has them now). The other thing is… I love Eovaldi, but I am not hoping for him to be back. I mean if the QO is shockingly low, a year, ok. But the clock is tocking on him.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 4, 2022 19:40:18 GMT -5
Do you think that we are on that path? Can we compete with the Yanks next year on the basis of what we have or can get back from injury and counting possible free agent or opt out losses? We are some 17 games behind the Yankee team that so far this year has some 70 more home runs and a team ERA .75 runs less than the Sox. I know that hope springs eternal, but I suspect if the records and personnel were reversed, we would be panning them. Well, I’m not saying you *have* to finish first, so for all I know they could beat the Yanks in a seven game series now. I think they are a huge underdog now, and I don’t think they’d be less so next year. Of course, we expect a winter binge, and maybe the Yanks lose Judge? The yankees got off to a huge fast start and built their lead. I'm certainly not going to take away from that games in April count the same as September but I don't find them to be the juggernaut their record might show. Plus they'll either bring judge back and basically be the same team since he's going to cost most of their budget or they're going to let him go and spread the money around. Judge is going to be very hard to replace if he does leave even if they spread the money. Do I think the Sox can somehow vault themselves back to the 92+ win area it'll take to win a division next year? Not really but one never knows. As I've said in the Bloom thread, this offseaaon is going to be the key decider as to if Bloom is good or not. There are avenues where Bloom can get this team back to at least a division contender as soon as next year.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 4, 2022 20:03:41 GMT -5
They may have a 1% chance of winning the world series, but it's a 25-30% chance of making the playoffs, and I think the latter is a relevant metric for a successful season. Not the only metric, but a relevant one. I hear your point, but given the return that I think EO could have brought from a contending team, I still think selling was an easy decision. I'd take the top 50 prospect - and I don't think that's a stretch - and the chance to get under the LTT over a 27 percent chance of making the playoffs (which is where FG has them now). I don't think he was getting a top 50 prospect, no rental player went for that much and he's coming off an injury, has lowered velocity, and even healthy isn't exactly the ace his reputation suggests (though personally he's a guy I love to have in a playoff rotation).
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 4, 2022 20:29:17 GMT -5
Can someone who understands these things better than me explain how much JBJ AAV the RS will be on the hook for in 2023? I think it's a significant chuck of money, isn't it?
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 4, 2022 21:30:18 GMT -5
Can someone who understands these things better than me explain how much JBJ AAV the RS will be on the hook for in 2023? I think it's a significant chuck of money, isn't it? Nothing, actually! That was already priced into his 2021 and 2022 luxury tax hit. His deal was $6.5 million in 2021, $9.5 million this year, and a $12 million dollar mutual option with an $8 million buyout for 2023. That buyout gets priced into the AAV over the guaranteed years, since it's guaranteed money, so for luxury tax purposes his deal just looks like a 2/24 deal for 2021 and 2022.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 5, 2022 11:13:33 GMT -5
What's baffling about Bloom is he makes some decisions that indicate he's all in on winning now at the ML level and others that indicate he's willing to risk big sacrifices at the ML level to build up the farm system. The guy who declined to trade Eovaldi at the deadline because he didn't want to quit on a team with a ~1 percent of winning the WS is the same guy who massively downgraded RF to get a prospect rated in the high teens in the RS system. This is actually not the least bit baffling if you simply listen to his explanations of these decisions. For whatever reason there is a contingent of people who cannot or will not hear those explanations. Anyways, it's all discussed in the Chaim Bloom thread if you're interested in actually understanding his decision-making.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 5, 2022 11:17:51 GMT -5
They may have a 1% chance of winning the world series, but it's a 25-30% chance of making the playoffs, and I think the latter is a relevant metric for a successful season. Not the only metric, but a relevant one. I hear your point, but given the return that I think EO could have brought from a contending team, I still think selling was an easy decision. I'd take the top 50 prospect - and I don't think that's a stretch - and the chance to get under the LTT over a 27 percent chance of making the playoffs (which is where FG has them now). The thing is that he's not actually that good. A decent #3 starter (with a 4.11 ERA and 4.40 FIP) isn't getting back a top 50 prospect.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 5, 2022 11:28:36 GMT -5
I hear your point, but given the return that I think EO could have brought from a contending team, I still think selling was an easy decision. I'd take the top 50 prospect - and I don't think that's a stretch - and the chance to get under the LTT over a 27 percent chance of making the playoffs (which is where FG has them now). The thing is that he's not actually that good. A decent #3 starter (with a 4.11 ERA and 4.40 FIP) isn't getting back a top 50 prospect. I disagree with that characterization of Eovaldi. I think he's better than that. He was injured briefly which effected his numbers this season. He was healthy last year and the year before and this year's injury isn't a serious injury that should impact him long-term. It impacted him short-term and skewed his numbers. In other words it's reasonable to believe he's better than a 4.4 FIP, 4.11 ERA and that as he's healthy, he's more capable of being the guy who had a FIP under 3 last year and was better than an average starter in 2020 and 2021. If I wanted to acquire a starting pitcher Eovaldi is somebody I'd want. I get not wanting to give up anybody in your top 5, given that he's a rental, but I do think they could have gotten something of useful value for him rather than letting him pitch well down the stretch for a team that's not making the playoffs and letting him walk, not that he seems to want to, but I'm not convinced he gets much of an offer rather than a hometown discount offer, because if they give him a reasonable one, I think he'd definitely come back. And I'd be happy about that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 5, 2022 15:10:41 GMT -5
I hear your point, but given the return that I think EO could have brought from a contending team, I still think selling was an easy decision. I'd take the top 50 prospect - and I don't think that's a stretch - and the chance to get under the LTT over a 27 percent chance of making the playoffs (which is where FG has them now). The thing is that he's not actually that good. A decent #3 starter (with a 4.11 ERA and 4.40 FIP) isn't getting back a top 50 prospect.
He's got a nice whip and strikeout to walk numbers. His issues have been HRs and fenway park. Get him to the NL into a big park and the guys closer to a #1/#2. 18 starts, 7 versus NY, Houston and Toronto are 12 of his 18 HRs. Nevermind the 5 Houston HRs were one game. There was legit internet, they asked for the moon. I don't see one top 50 guy as asking for the moon.
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