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Chris Sale Breaks Wrist Riding Bike
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 9, 2022 15:01:08 GMT -5
Sale was part of the last WS championship team and will always have the memory of him corkscrewing Machado into the ground for the final out, so there is that. I cant help but wonder if he would be less injury prone if he didnt look like he was made of Popsicle sticks. You can see why why Bloom doesnt want to spend on FA pitchers, Sale being case in point.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 9, 2022 16:56:00 GMT -5
The man is catching too many breaks he needs a bubble boy suit.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 9, 2022 17:17:54 GMT -5
Mazz and the Matt McCarthy are peddling the narrative that Sale likely lying. Bringing up the mysterious foot injury with the White Sox and that this bike accident supposedly happened around BC in the middle of the day and no one noticed the tall, lanky professional athlete flying off their bike and breaking their wrist, in Boston, and no one noticed. They then brought up the history of players lying, such as Jeff Kent.
It's just interesting for Mazz to be lobbing this theory when he's around this team.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 9, 2022 17:25:00 GMT -5
Where's David Price when we need him
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Post by manfred on Aug 9, 2022 17:35:07 GMT -5
Mazz and the Matt McCarthy are peddling the narrative that Sale likely lying. Bringing up the mysterious foot injury with the White Sox and that this bike accident supposedly happened around BC in the middle of the day and no one noticed the tall, lanky professional athlete flying off their bike and breaking their wrist, in Boston, and no one noticed. They then brought up the history of players lying, such as Jeff Kent. It's just interesting for Mazz to be lobbing this theory when he's around this team. Wait… lying about a broken wrist or about how he broke it?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 9, 2022 17:41:36 GMT -5
Mazz and the Matt McCarthy are peddling the narrative that Sale likely lying. Bringing up the mysterious foot injury with the White Sox and that this bike accident supposedly happened around BC in the middle of the day and no one noticed the tall, lanky professional athlete flying off their bike and breaking their wrist, in Boston, and no one noticed. They then brought up the history of players lying, such as Jeff Kent. It's just interesting for Mazz to be lobbing this theory when he's around this team. Wait… lying about a broken wrist or about how he broke it? About how he broke it. Also claiming the Red Sox never made it known if he was even coming back so for them to come out and say, "he pitched and pitched well at BC" is an indicator that they're upset with him since they could have just said, "he was out anyways and we weren't expecting him back" and just buried it. Cora just mentioned they were really hoping to get Chris Sale back even if just in a bullpen role and he's disappointed what happened with Chris.
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Post by Coreno on Aug 9, 2022 22:21:17 GMT -5
Sale's season: delayed because of a broken bone; broke a bone immediately after coming back; season ended due to broken bone that occurred while recovering from the previous broken bone. Sumthin up with those bones imo. He needs to drink more milk
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Post by 1900getwade on Aug 10, 2022 2:17:08 GMT -5
Mazz and the Matt McCarthy are peddling the narrative that Sale likely lying. Bringing up the mysterious foot injury with the White Sox and that this bike accident supposedly happened around BC in the middle of the day and no one noticed the tall, lanky professional athlete flying off their bike and breaking their wrist, in Boston, and no one noticed. They then brought up the history of players lying, such as Jeff Kent. It's just interesting for Mazz to be lobbing this theory when he's around this team. I grew up in Chestnut Hill and broke my arm falling off a bike around BC twice. When there's no students around, that campus and even the area around it of Brighton and Newton were pretty dead. I can certainly buy that it could have happened without anyone noticing.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 10, 2022 5:35:57 GMT -5
Between this, the other injuries, and the vaccine resistance, I’m pretty frustrated with Sale. Eh the vaccine stuff is his choice. Can't fault someone for beliefs but with regard to this injury I don't believe him or the team on how it happened.
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Post by jmei on Aug 10, 2022 5:40:01 GMT -5
I am going to preemptively remind folks that we should not discuss the merits of getting vaccinated except to the extent it affects play on the field. Thanks.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 10, 2022 5:41:58 GMT -5
No question, it's the worst contract in RS history. It's Pablo Sandoval's contract plus another $50 million. The worst part is that it seemed dumb at the time and D-Dom, presumably with ownership's blessing, did it anyways. Probably. Although you can make the argument for Crawford. I'm also not sure how inflation would play with these numbers but Awfulmans contract was an abomination back then too. Drew Lackey and Price contracts get a pass due to playing parts in winning the series. Panda Sale Awfulman Crawford and Hanley. Those are some crap contracts for sure.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 10, 2022 8:54:38 GMT -5
No question, it's the worst contract in RS history. It's Pablo Sandoval's contract plus another $50 million. The worst part is that it seemed dumb at the time and D-Dom, presumably with ownership's blessing, did it anyways. Probably. Although you can make the argument for Crawford. I'm also not sure how inflation would play with these numbers but Awfulmans contract was an abomination back then too. Drew Lackey and Price contracts get a pass due to playing parts in winning the series. Panda Sale Awfulman Crawford and Hanley. Those are some crap contracts for sure. Crawford gets my vote. Sale can slot in right behind him now. Don’t forget Rusney Castillo. The Sox essentially lit $70m on fire for that guy. I don’t think Lackey really belongs because he did pitch so well in the 2013 WS AND they got Joe Kelly for him(who was a huge piece of another WS team). Worst contract depth chart: 1. Crawford 2. Sale 3. Panda 4. Price 5. Rusney 6. Hanley Does that look about right?
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Post by manfred on Aug 10, 2022 8:56:12 GMT -5
Probably. Although you can make the argument for Crawford. I'm also not sure how inflation would play with these numbers but Awfulmans contract was an abomination back then too. Drew Lackey and Price contracts get a pass due to playing parts in winning the series. Panda Sale Awfulman Crawford and Hanley. Those are some crap contracts for sure. Crawford gets my vote. Sale can slot in right behind him now. Don’t forget Rusney Castillo. The Sox essentially lit $70m on fire for that guy. I don’t think Lackey really belongs because he did pitch so well in the 2013 WS AND they got Joe Kelly for him(who was a huge piece of another WS team). Worst contract depth chart: 1. Crawford 2. Sale 3. Panda 4. Price 5. Rusney 6. Hanley Does that look about right? I think Panda goes ahead of Sale. Sale has been hurt. Panda just ate.
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Post by seamus on Aug 10, 2022 8:57:53 GMT -5
Wait… lying about a broken wrist or about how he broke it? About how he broke it. Also claiming the Red Sox never made it known if he was even coming back so for them to come out and say, "he pitched and pitched well at BC" is an indicator that they're upset with him since they could have just said, "he was out anyways and we weren't expecting him back" and just buried it. Cora just mentioned they were really hoping to get Chris Sale back even if just in a bullpen role and he's disappointed what happened with Chris. I don't follow Mazz's logic here. "Got hurt in an accident after a throwing session" doesn't seem worse than "he got hurt again when he was already too injured to help out this year anyway." In any case, if they really think he's lying, I think it's far more likely that they would try bury it so they could investigate with less outside scrutiny.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 10, 2022 9:28:28 GMT -5
Crawford gets my vote. Sale can slot in right behind him now. Don’t forget Rusney Castillo. The Sox essentially lit $70m on fire for that guy. I don’t think Lackey really belongs because he did pitch so well in the 2013 WS AND they got Joe Kelly for him(who was a huge piece of another WS team). Worst contract depth chart: 1. Crawford 2. Sale 3. Panda 4. Price 5. Rusney 6. Hanley Does that look about right? I think Panda goes ahead of Sale. Sale has been hurt. Panda just ate. Sale doesn’t get a pass for being hurt. Especially since he was hurt when he signed the deal! 3 years into the Sale contract, they have paid him $90m to throw 48.1 innings over 11 starts. The outlook for the next 2 years isn’t much better, either. Panda was worse, but Sale is a bigger waste of money.
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Post by seamus on Aug 10, 2022 9:49:55 GMT -5
To me, a contract being bad because the guy is terrible is markedly worse than a contract being bad because of injuries, so Sale's contract is still better than Crawford/Sandoval/Rusney. At least if a guy is injured, maybe his replacement can do something interesting. Watching Panda slog through plate appearance after plate appearance was just deeply unpleasant.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 10, 2022 9:50:17 GMT -5
I think Panda goes ahead of Sale. Sale has been hurt. Panda just ate. Sale doesn’t get a pass for being hurt. Especially since he was hurt when he signed the deal! 3 years into the Sale contract, they have paid him $90m to throw 48.1 innings over 11 starts. The outlook for the next 2 years isn’t much better, either. Panda was worse, but Sale is a bigger waste of money. I'd go: 1) Crawford - such a huge contract for its time and such a miserable performance - absolutely no positives to look back on 2) Sandoval - big contract. big eating issues. big gut. Did nothing positive during his time 3) Castillo - waste of seven years. So bad they didn't want him up in Boston counting toward the luxury tax. Awful response to losing out on Jose Abreu. 4) Sale - big disappointment due to injuries, but at least he positively contributed down the stretch in 2021 with 5-1 record, 3.16 ERA 5) Hanley - Had 3 awful years out of 4. Never should have been a LF. Did have a nice 2016 season, though so at least he did do that. 6) Price - Actually pitched decently from 2016 - 2019, just not an ace.....except for the important exception of 2018 World Series when he could have/should have at least been co-MVP with Pearce. And frankly while Price was disappointing I don't have 100% regret. They probably don't win the 2018 World Series without him, so it's harder for me to lump him in with the others. He was still a decent pitcher when they had to get rid of him, and it wasn't his pitching that got him traded - it was their number to get under the limit. Honestly, there are others on a smaller scale who probably would rank ahead of even Price. Matt Barnes is looking like it should be on that list. They got one good year out of 3 for Foulke and Victorino...but not regrets in those cases - they heavily contributed to World Series winning teams and that matters. Similar situation with John Lackey. Matt Young and Jack Clark and Jose Offerman were big free agent signings for their times as was Danny Darwin. Darwin, Clark, and Offerman, like Hanley Ramirez, did contribute one strong season each but were disappointments the rest of the way. Matt Young was so bad he even lost a game in which he pitched a no-hitter. He was awful all the way around. His contract was big at the time and Young was synonomous with losing. Bob Stanley's extension and poor pitching afterward made him a target of the boo-birds at Fenway as well. Mike Torrez and Bill Campbell were the Sox' first major free agents and Torrez was bad a lot more than he was good while Don Zimmer pitch Bill Campbell into the ground duing his first successful 1977 season. Of course he wrecked Campbell's arm which hurt them in 1978, a year they lost by one game, and rendered Campbell pretty useless the rest of his Red Sox career and afterward.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 10, 2022 11:56:15 GMT -5
Probably. Although you can make the argument for Crawford. I'm also not sure how inflation would play with these numbers but Awfulmans contract was an abomination back then too. Drew Lackey and Price contracts get a pass due to playing parts in winning the series. Panda Sale Awfulman Crawford and Hanley. Those are some crap contracts for sure. Crawford gets my vote. Sale can slot in right behind him now. Don’t forget Rusney Castillo. The Sox essentially lit $70m on fire for that guy. I don’t think Lackey really belongs because he did pitch so well in the 2013 WS AND they got Joe Kelly for him(who was a huge piece of another WS team). Worst contract depth chart: 1. Crawford 2. Sale 3. Panda 4. Price 5. Rusney 6. Hanley Does that look about right? I'd take Price off that list given the fact they don't win 2018 without him. Bump Rusney Hanley up and throw Offerman at 6th.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 10, 2022 12:48:27 GMT -5
About how he broke it. Also claiming the Red Sox never made it known if he was even coming back so for them to come out and say, "he pitched and pitched well at BC" is an indicator that they're upset with him since they could have just said, "he was out anyways and we weren't expecting him back" and just buried it. Cora just mentioned they were really hoping to get Chris Sale back even if just in a bullpen role and he's disappointed what happened with Chris. I don't follow Mazz's logic here. "Got hurt in an accident after a throwing session" doesn't seem worse than "he got hurt again when he was already too injured to help out this year anyway." In any case, if they really think he's lying, I think it's far more likely that they would try bury it so they could investigate with less outside scrutiny. I don't know, I think making the point they were hoping/encouraged by him and his progress instead of just saying he broke his wrist seems the team wants you to know they're upset. If there were no expectations anyways I would think it would make it less of a story, but I could be wrong. I think wanting to bury it depends on if they're getting tired of the player or if they wanted to protect him. Did they even need to announce his broken wrist? I honestly don't know since he was out and they never once gave a time table for a possible return or said he was ever going to. He does keep getting injuries no one is around to see which is odd.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 10, 2022 13:00:40 GMT -5
Crawford gets my vote. Sale can slot in right behind him now. Don’t forget Rusney Castillo. The Sox essentially lit $70m on fire for that guy. I don’t think Lackey really belongs because he did pitch so well in the 2013 WS AND they got Joe Kelly for him(who was a huge piece of another WS team). Worst contract depth chart: 1. Crawford 2. Sale 3. Panda 4. Price 5. Rusney 6. Hanley Does that look about right? I'd take Price off that list given the fact they don't win 2018 without him. Bump Rusney Hanley up and throw Offerman at 6th. Price was an overreaction to losing Lester...which ended up probably costing them Mookie. But Price did perform well from 2016-2018 and was HUGE in the playoffs in 2018. I’m willing to move him down the list.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 10, 2022 13:21:20 GMT -5
I'd take Price off that list given the fact they don't win 2018 without him. Bump Rusney Hanley up and throw Offerman at 6th. Price was an overreaction to losing Lester...which ended up probably costing them Mookie. But Price did perform well from 2016-2018 and was HUGE in the playoffs in 2018. I’m willing to move him down the list. I know it's apples and oranges but I regret them signing Matt Young (my preference was to re-sign Mike Boddicker) a helluva lot more than I regret them signing David Price. Wished they hadn't put themselves in the situation to sign Price and ultimately Chris Sale because of their failure to extend Jon Lester, but at least that 2018 flag flies forever and David Price did have a lot to do with that. I know that gets into the argument of judging a free agent signing in a vacuum versus the "they won a championship" argument which I'm trying to avoid, but have trouble doing so because of the way it colors my perception. I mean in a vaccuum the Price signing wasn't great, but was I complaining about during the 2018 World Series? Hell no. Same thing with Foulke in 2004 and Lackey and Victorino in 2013. They weren't bit parts of a championship. They were very positive contributors at a time that mattered a lot. You can make the argument that if they were better in the other years there possibly could have been more World Series, but at the end of the day I can only really go by what happened instead of going down the rabbithole of theoretical could have beens.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 10, 2022 13:59:27 GMT -5
I'd do the Price contract again, obviously you hope for better results. Yet you don't win a championship without him. There's also a difference in not good value on a contract and guys who literally hurt you by being on the field and give you nothing.
So Sale still has time if he can help you win a championship.
At the same time you aren't doing things right as Red Sox GM if you don't end up with bad contracts. You don't want to be Cherington signing Ramirez, Sandoval and Castillo. Yet you need to push boundaries, zero bad contracts likely means you aren't taking enough risks and using the best asset we have, tons of money.
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Post by benzinger on Aug 10, 2022 15:23:50 GMT -5
Price was an overreaction to losing Lester...which ended up probably costing them Mookie. But Price did perform well from 2016-2018 and was HUGE in the playoffs in 2018. I’m willing to move him down the list. I know it's apples and oranges but I regret them signing Matt Young (my preference was to re-sign Mike Boddicker) a helluva lot more than I regret them signing David Price. Wished they hadn't put themselves in the situation to sign Price and ultimately Chris Sale because of their failure to extend Jon Lester, but at least that 2018 flag flies forever and David Price did have a lot to do with that. I know that gets into the argument of judging a free agent signing in a vacuum versus the "they won a championship" argument which I'm trying to avoid, but have trouble doing so because of the way it colors my perception. I mean in a vaccuum the Price signing wasn't great, but was I complaining about during the 2018 World Series? Hell no. Same thing with Foulke in 2004 and Lackey and Victorino in 2013. They weren't bit parts of a championship. They were very positive contributors at a time that mattered a lot. You can make the argument that if they were better in the other years there possibly could have been more World Series, but at the end of the day I can only really go by what happened instead of going down the rabbithole of theoretical could have beens. It’s just funny to compare Matt Young’s contract with Price’s. Young was signed for 3years and $6.35m. I know it was 30 years ago, but it’s still comical. In those days, the Red Sox ONLY seemed to get washed-up free agents to come to Boston: Jack Clark, Frank Viola, Canseco, Andre Dawson, Steve Avery, Ramon Martinez and probably a bunch more that I’m not thinking of. It doesn’t seem like they really started getting it right until they signed Manny and then Damon.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 10, 2022 15:43:20 GMT -5
Wait… lying about a broken wrist or about how he broke it? About how he broke it. Also claiming the Red Sox never made it known if he was even coming back so for them to come out and say, "he pitched and pitched well at BC" is an indicator that they're upset with him since they could have just said, "he was out anyways and we weren't expecting him back" and just buried it. Cora just mentioned they were really hoping to get Chris Sale back even if just in a bullpen role and he's disappointed what happened with Chris. I'm as disappointed as the next guy in the ROI we've gotten on Sale, but Mazz is just a blowhard looking for attention. How does her surmise he broke it otherwise? Masterbating? Playing to much Call of Duty? Sale doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would fake an injury, all other concerns I have about him aside, he wants to pitch. Even a healthy Sale can't right the listing on this ship, everyone's looking for an exit, and everyone in the media is looking for someone to finger (the blame, get your mind out of the gutter).
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 10, 2022 15:58:31 GMT -5
About how he broke it. Also claiming the Red Sox never made it known if he was even coming back so for them to come out and say, "he pitched and pitched well at BC" is an indicator that they're upset with him since they could have just said, "he was out anyways and we weren't expecting him back" and just buried it. Cora just mentioned they were really hoping to get Chris Sale back even if just in a bullpen role and he's disappointed what happened with Chris. I'm as disappointed as the next guy in the ROI we've gotten on Sale, but Mazz is just a blowhard looking for attention. How does her surmise he broke it otherwise? Masterbating? Playing to much Call of Duty? Sale doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would fake an injury, all other concerns I have about him aside, he wants to pitch. Even a healthy Sale can't right the listing on this ship, everyone's looking for an exit, and everyone in the media is looking for someone to finger (the blame, get your mind out of the gutter). It's not that he's faking, but anything that could potentially hurt his income or reputation would make sense to lie about. The Jeff Kent lie was when he fell off his car while washing it, when instead he fell off an ATV and broke his wrist. I only find this level of gossip interesting (if it were Felger or Adam Jones I'd ignore it), but he is someone who is plugged in a bit since he calls games on NESN and has to face these guys. Still, probably nothing more than hot air, but just a footnote.
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