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Post by kingofthetrill on Sept 13, 2022 1:27:24 GMT -5
While things are under the knife I want them to get rid of the "players can't line up in foul territory" rule so that gutsy teams can bring an OF in behind the catcher in situations with a wild pitcher and an important runner on 3rd.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 13, 2022 3:57:35 GMT -5
I don't get the marginalization of the shift effects around here. Seems like people are just using whatever minimalist data points they can find to prove their own preference.
Teams don't employ it because of some aesthetic value. They do it because it stifles offense. That is why baseball is curtailing it some, but still allowing some strategic deployment, albeit in a different form.
I am all for it, more than any other change. You will see a more exciting brand of baseball because of it.
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Post by 0ap0 on Sept 13, 2022 8:17:13 GMT -5
The pick-off rule should've been that they each count as a ball. The pitcher threw it and it wasn't in the strike zone. Ball. Done.
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Post by hank on Sept 13, 2022 15:27:29 GMT -5
The average time of a AAA game was reduced by 21 minutes this year as a result of the pitch clock. It's even more for AA and A ball games. That is most welcome. All these changes are sensible. Next bring on the robo umps.
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Post by seamus on Sept 13, 2022 16:52:25 GMT -5
If they do end up getting robo umps and stolen bases go up as much as I think MLB is hoping, you wonder how that will change catcher profiles. Will some third basemen be transitioned to catcher because receiving doesn't matter and arm strength is the most important defensive tool? And will that, as a consequence, change the baseline of offensive production? Could be interesting.
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 13, 2022 17:47:25 GMT -5
If they do end up getting robo umps and stolen bases go up as much as I think MLB is hoping, you wonder how that will change catcher profiles. Will some third basemen be transitioned to catcher because receiving doesn't matter and arm strength is the most important defensive tool? And will that, as a consequence, change the baseline of offensive production? Could be interesting. Would the position then be renamed to the Thrower?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 28, 2022 12:42:33 GMT -5
We need to convert this to a discussion thread for the rule changes being implemented by MLB this coming season. I think all of them have the potential to impact the game but I have my own idea about which of these changes will be the most important. In order: - Infielder positioning
- Pitcher clock
- Size of bases
- Batter clock
1. I believe that front offices should be prioritizing defense because the first of these is going to greatly impact the game. We've become accustomed to watching the shift and how it completely stifled left-handed hitters hitting for outs over and over again into what used to be infield gaps. Those are back and it's going to be very different this season. Positioning and skill will be crucial. 2. The pitcher clock has the potential to cause some disruption. That will depend on how closely the rules are followed. For some pitchers, staying within the 15 second rule (with no one on base) is going to be a real challenge. Given the difference in success rates as a function of the pitch count it could make life difficult for pitchers who have a problem adapting. That's because of the automatic ball that's called if the rule is violated. 3. The size of the bases will bring an uptick in the stolen base success rate. That change will depend on the willingness of managers and coaches to take advantage of the change. 4. I think it's easier for batters to follow their timing rule (8 seconds). If they don't then once again the pitch count comes into play, lowering their success rate. Please feel free to offer up your ideas, and to track how this changes the game as MLB 2023 kicks into gear.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 13, 2023 12:58:56 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Feb 13, 2023 13:22:48 GMT -5
Damn. I like most of the new rule changes but I loathe the zombie runner rule. (Almost as much as I loathe people calling it a 'ghost runner.') If they want to avoid the marathon games there's an obvious compromise solution - introduce the zombie runner in the 12th inning or something. At least give the teams a chance to settle the game by skill rather than stupid groundout sequencing or whatever.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 13, 2023 13:28:15 GMT -5
Damn. I like most of the new rule changes but I loathe the zombie runner rule. (Almost as much as I loathe people calling it a 'ghost runner.') If they want to avoid the marathon games there's an obvious compromise solution - introduce the zombie runner in the 12th inning or something. At least give the teams a chance to settle the game by skill rather than stupid groundout sequencing or whatever. Yeah, this is t-ball b.s. Awful. If this is where we're at, how long before 20 teams make the playoffs and instead of series, we have 1 game winner-take-all games a la the NCAA tourney to generate "new fans"?
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 13, 2023 13:44:46 GMT -5
Damn. I like most of the new rule changes but I loathe the zombie runner rule. (Almost as much as I loathe people calling it a 'ghost runner.') If they want to avoid the marathon games there's an obvious compromise solution - introduce the zombie runner in the 12th inning or something. At least give the teams a chance to settle the game by skill rather than stupid groundout sequencing or whatever. only thing is, the players love the rule as well.. Rarely do you see the owners and union agree on something
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 13, 2023 13:45:13 GMT -5
Position players pitching remains fun, but they might have felt like they needed to get ahead of the floodgates opening. I could see one team saying f*** it and having their bench players lob 50 innings extremely low leverage innings one year, and then other teams following suit.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 13, 2023 13:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 13, 2023 13:54:16 GMT -5
Shouldn't the owners be fighting to keep the extra innings flowing so they can sell advertisements and concessions?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 13, 2023 14:07:32 GMT -5
Shouldn't the owners be fighting to keep the extra innings flowing so they can sell advertisements and concessions? Concessions stands usually close by the 7th or 8th inning anyway, not sure exactly what you mean by advertisements but I'm not really sure advertisers or teams or whoever would be making deals under an assumption of extra inning games at all, let alone factoring how long the extra innings would last.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 13, 2023 14:07:57 GMT -5
Shouldn't the owners be fighting to keep the extra innings flowing so they can sell advertisements and concessions? Beer is usually cut off in the 7th i believe. So even if a game goes 18 innings they wont get any extra beer sales
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 13, 2023 14:11:12 GMT -5
Shouldn't the owners be fighting to keep the extra innings flowing so they can sell advertisements and concessions? Concessions stands usually close by the 7th or 8th inning anyway, not sure exactly what you mean by advertisements but I'm not really sure advertisers or teams or whoever would be making deals under an assumption of extra inning games at all, let alone factoring how long the extra innings would last. I would assume NESN is doing like 10x the ratings showing the 15th inning of a game instead of whatever else would be on. They can't convert that into cash somehow?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 13, 2023 14:52:06 GMT -5
Concessions stands usually close by the 7th or 8th inning anyway, not sure exactly what you mean by advertisements but I'm not really sure advertisers or teams or whoever would be making deals under an assumption of extra inning games at all, let alone factoring how long the extra innings would last. I would assume NESN is doing like 10x the ratings showing the 15th inning of a game instead of whatever else would be on. They can't convert that into cash somehow? These deals are done well in advance, I'm not sure how you could possibly account for that outside of a clause that says "in the event of extra innings, company will tack on X amount of dollars to account for increased traffic", but the ad agency or whoever is on the other side of the deal has no incentive to do that.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 27, 2023 19:38:50 GMT -5
I feel like this is the only time a double rule violation could happen...
Since... Uh... What happens if its a double rule violation on a 3-2 count?
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 27, 2023 19:45:41 GMT -5
I don't think that was simultaneous. The pitcher had a violation then the batter had a violation.
On a 3-2 count the batter's clock runs out first so if nobody ever gets ready a strike is recorded.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 1, 2023 0:43:09 GMT -5
I don't think that was simultaneous. The pitcher had a violation then the batter had a violation. On a 3-2 count the batter's clock runs out first so if nobody ever gets ready a strike is recorded. I don't thimk that's true. Until the ump calls it, it didn't happen.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 2, 2023 11:25:07 GMT -5
The first returns are coming in from spring training: The part that was an eye-opener for me was this last paragraph: The shifts doubled in the span of five years. Easy to see why MLB felt compelled to do something. And the pace of play has picked up, with a 14% reduction in the time to finish a game.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 2, 2023 11:42:33 GMT -5
Also worth noting last year we had a lockout, so late signings and no early access to team facilities certainly affected early spring results (unsure if it's zero sum for pitchers vs. hitters).
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Post by jmei on Mar 2, 2023 12:14:59 GMT -5
Even beyond the games being shorter in total, the pitch clock has dramatically improved the rhythm of play. No more long pauses where a pitcher steps out and then a hitter steps out or a bunch of pickoff attempts. Imagine it'll be even more stark once the games start mattering.
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 3, 2023 8:14:38 GMT -5
Anyone know if there are more rule changes in the hopper in the minors this year, or is this it?
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