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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 9, 2022 12:05:49 GMT -5
Pitch clock
-15 seconds bases empty -20 seconds runners on - Batter must be ready by 8 seconds left - Ball penalty for pitchers, strike penalty for batters
Defensive shifts
- All infielders must be on dirt - Two on each side of second base bag - Penalty is batter gets to choose between accepting the result of the ball in play, or getting a ball.
Pick offs
- Two free ones per PA - If the third pick off is unsuccessful, penalty is a balk.
Additionally, the bases are bigger.
Player reps voted against the pitch clock and shifts.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 9, 2022 12:08:20 GMT -5
I think any fan that watched minor league games this year will tell you the pitch clock is a good change. It is really strange when a plate appearance ends in a walk/strikeout without a pitch thrown, though. I noticed very few violations after the first month or two of the season.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 9, 2022 12:09:50 GMT -5
Banning the shift is stupid if you ask me but since it's now the rule it increases my interest in a guy like Gallo to some degree. It'll help out lefty pull hitters.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 9, 2022 12:09:50 GMT -5
Love Trevor Story at 2nd even more with these new restrictions
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Post by scottysmalls on Sept 9, 2022 12:19:18 GMT -5
Pitch clock makes a ton of sense and I'm excited about it. Banning shifts feels way more dramatic to me, guys just made or lost millions of dollars with that change. Hall of fame cases get weird comparing lefties pre and post rule change. I don't necessarily think it'll be bad for the game, but does feel like it changes a lot of individual evaluations. Interested to see how it plays out this off-season.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 9, 2022 12:19:54 GMT -5
Yay pitch clock! Boo banning the shift! Yay bigger bases! Pickoff rule is meh!
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Post by notstarboard on Sept 9, 2022 12:21:26 GMT -5
I like all of these changes except for the shift ban. Also, with the ban as written, I'm curious if we'll start seeing more outfield shifts. That would be harder to do, but possible, especially in a park like Fenway where LF is tiny. My guess is shifts like that would only be useful against a small number of hitters, but still.
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 9, 2022 12:24:04 GMT -5
Banning the shift is stupid if you ask me but since it's now the rule it increases my interest in a guy like Gallo to some degree. It'll help out lefty pull hitters. I like requiring infielders to be on the infield dirt. I'm ambivalent about the 2 on each side of 2nd base. |
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 9, 2022 12:27:31 GMT -5
Defensive Shift: I am on board with this. The focus of this rule will eliminate the extreme shifts where the 3Bman heads out to short RCF. It will continue to allow moderate shifting with the SS playing one-step his side of second base and the 3Bman sliding to the SS position. Will put more of a premium on good defensive players.
Larger Bases: I don't think I like this one. The larger first base will essentially make the throw from SS/3B shorter. Will this have the reverse effect with more players thrown out rather than just beating the throw?
Pitch Clock: Mehh.... I think pitchcom has already reduced the average time to throw a pitch. I don't expect to notice much difference.
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Post by keninten on Sept 9, 2022 12:35:21 GMT -5
I only like the pitch clock.
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Post by jkfer98 on Sept 9, 2022 12:38:59 GMT -5
Defensive Shift: I am on board with this. The focus of this rule will eliminate the extreme shifts where the 3Bman heads out to short RCF. It will continue to allow moderate shifting with the SS playing one-step his side of second base and the 3Bman sliding to the SS position. Will put more of a premium on good defensive players. Larger Bases: I don't think I like this one. The larger first base will essentially make the throw from SS/3B shorter. Will this have the reverse effect with more players thrown out rather than just beating the throw?
Pitch Clock: Mehh.... I think pitchcom has already reduced the average time to throw a pitch. I don't expect to notice much difference. At the same time, the runner will have a shorter distance to run, so I think the difference is negligible. |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 9, 2022 12:40:46 GMT -5
I would love the elimination of the shift a heck of a lot more if we had a 30-year-old David Ortiz.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 9, 2022 12:42:18 GMT -5
I never claim to be a very smart man but I wonder if the larger bases and the pick-off rule will add more value to speed???
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 9, 2022 12:51:36 GMT -5
Defensive Shift: I am on board with this. The focus of this rule will eliminate the extreme shifts where the 3Bman heads out to short RCF. It will continue to allow moderate shifting with the SS playing one-step his side of second base and the 3Bman sliding to the SS position. Will put more of a premium on good defensive players. Larger Bases: I don't think I like this one. The larger first base will essentially make the throw from SS/3B shorter. Will this have the reverse effect with more players thrown out rather than just beating the throw?
Pitch Clock: Mehh.... I think pitchcom has already reduced the average time to throw a pitch. I don't expect to notice much difference. At the same time, the runner will have a shorter distance to run, so I think it's negligible. Not true, unless I am mis-understanding. Front edge of first base and third base the same distance from home. Distance between first/second and second/third is reduced. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 9, 2022 13:03:16 GMT -5
Here is the shift leaderboard for batters: baseballsavant.mlb.com/visuals/batter-positioningCody Bellinger and Mike Yastrzemski stick out as two potential acquisitions this offseason. There's also Joey Gallo, but all his ABs end in strikeouts or flyballs anyway. I'm skeptical that the rule change will have a huge change in individual batter performance. |
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Post by jkfer98 on Sept 9, 2022 13:31:32 GMT -5
At the same time, the runner will have a shorter distance to run, so I think it's negligible. Not true, unless I am mis-understanding. Front edge of first base and third base the same distance from home. Distance between first/second and second/third is reduced. I was under the assumption that the distance between all of the bases would be shorter. |
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 9, 2022 13:55:16 GMT -5
Not true, unless I am mis-understanding. Front edge of first base and third base the same distance from home. Distance between first/second and second/third is reduced. I was under the assumption that the distance between all of the bases would be shorter. Its not real clear, but this reads like home to first and third to home are unchanged www.mlb.com/news/mlb-2023-rule-changes-pitch-timer-larger-bases-shifts |
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Post by incandenza on Sept 9, 2022 14:02:26 GMT -5
Defensive Shift: I am on board with this. The focus of this rule will eliminate the extreme shifts where the 3Bman heads out to short RCF. It will continue to allow moderate shifting with the SS playing one-step his side of second base and the 3Bman sliding to the SS position. Will put more of a premium on good defensive players. Larger Bases: I don't think I like this one. The larger first base will essentially make the throw from SS/3B shorter. Will this have the reverse effect with more players thrown out rather than just beating the throw?Pitch Clock: Mehh.... I think pitchcom has already reduced the average time to throw a pitch. I don't expect to notice much difference. It would be a difference of about 2 inches. If a 3B/SS makes a 100 ft. throw at 80 mph, the ball would get to the first baseman... let's see, carry the 3, then divide by the... well, let's just say it's a trivial difference.
But a runner is much slower than a thrown ball, and the distance between bases would be reduced by twice as much as the throw to first would be reduced, so the effect on baserunning time from first to second would be much more significant.
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 9, 2022 14:04:17 GMT -5
Defensive Shift: I am on board with this. The focus of this rule will eliminate the extreme shifts where the 3Bman heads out to short RCF. It will continue to allow moderate shifting with the SS playing one-step his side of second base and the 3Bman sliding to the SS position. Will put more of a premium on good defensive players. Larger Bases: I don't think I like this one. The larger first base will essentially make the throw from SS/3B shorter. Will this have the reverse effect with more players thrown out rather than just beating the throw?Pitch Clock: Mehh.... I think pitchcom has already reduced the average time to throw a pitch. I don't expect to notice much difference. It would be a difference of about 2 inches. If a 3B/SS makes a 100 ft. throw at 80 mph, the ball would get to the first baseman... let's see, carry the 3, then divide by the... well, let's just say it's a trivial difference. But a runner is much slower than a thrown ball, and the distance between bases would be reduced by twice as much as the throw to first would be reduced, so the effect on baserunning time from first to second would be much more significant.
True...but I still don't like it. Is distance from home to first changing? |
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Post by scottysmalls on Sept 9, 2022 14:08:15 GMT -5
It would be a difference of about 2 inches. If a 3B/SS makes a 100 ft. throw at 80 mph, the ball would get to the first baseman... let's see, carry the 3, then divide by the... well, let's just say it's a trivial difference. But a runner is much slower than a thrown ball, and the distance between bases would be reduced by twice as much as the throw to first would be reduced, so the effect on baserunning time from first to second would be much more significant.
True...but I still don't like it. Is distance from home to first changing? How many outs are made outs, not IF hits, because the first baseman was 100% fully outstretched? Is it even that bad a thing to turn some of these into hits? Maybe the new inefficiency will be long-legged first basemen. |
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Post by xdmo on Sept 9, 2022 14:08:36 GMT -5
The pickoff move rule is needed. Does anyone remember how bad Clay Buchholz got with anyone on?
It increases the chances for stolen bases (along with the bigger bases), which is more exciting. Increases game action.
The pickoff is one of the worst time killers with men on base. It rarely ever works, unless you're a LHP who gets away with the fine line of balking constantly (Andy Pettite).
Foul balls are probably the worst time killers in baseball. Nothing you can do about that, without really changing the game. Just got to implement pitch clock.
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 9, 2022 14:15:30 GMT -5
Will there be a spot on the scoreboard to show remaining pick-off moves allowed?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 9, 2022 14:23:03 GMT -5
This might increase stolen bases, but it might increase pick offs as well. I guess we are going to find out.
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 9, 2022 14:24:50 GMT -5
This might increase stolen bases, but it might increase pick offs as well. I guess we are going to find out. Pick-offs are going to be limited |
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 9, 2022 14:26:33 GMT -5
Maybe a positive will be that catchers will have to get off their knees behind the plate
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