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Post by wOBA Fett on Apr 18, 2023 22:25:01 GMT -5
I'd make the rule you lose your DH the second you pull your SP. Whenever and for whatever reason.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 19, 2023 10:42:24 GMT -5
theathletic.com/4426971/2023/04/18/mlb-contract-term-limit-dispute/In case anyone thought the goodwill from wildly successful pace of game changes would last, Manfred brings up contract length limits, describing them as "an area of great interest" from owners. Tony Clark vehemently disagreed. (and note, the wildly successful pace of game changes were unilaterally implemented by owners, per CBA authority, if I interpreted correctly).
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 19, 2023 10:49:03 GMT -5
theathletic.com/4426971/2023/04/18/mlb-contract-term-limit-dispute/In case anyone thought the goodwill from wildly successful pace of game changes would last, Manfred brings up contract length limits, describing them as "an area of great interest" from owners. Tony Clark vehemently disagreed. (and note, the wildly successful pace of game changes were unilaterally implemented by owners, per CBA authority, if I interpreted correctly). I read this as well, it's probably a non-starter since the players association isn't going to accept it. Part of me would be for a cap on contract length but at the same time nobody is forcing the owners to do these absurd 10+ year deals so at the end of the day I won't mind whatever ends up happening with contract lengths.
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2023 10:55:16 GMT -5
theathletic.com/4426971/2023/04/18/mlb-contract-term-limit-dispute/In case anyone thought the goodwill from wildly successful pace of game changes would last, Manfred brings up contract length limits, describing them as "an area of great interest" from owners. Tony Clark vehemently disagreed. (and note, the wildly successful pace of game changes were unilaterally implemented by owners, per CBA authority, if I interpreted correctly). I read this as well, it's probably a non-starter since the players association isn't going to accept it. Part of me would be for a cap on contract length but at the same time nobody is forcing the owners to do these absurd 10+ year deals so at the end of the day I won't mind whatever ends up happening with contract lengths. I’m great with new competitive rules, but these rules seem like they treat the owners like a pack of infants. If 10+ years is bad business, don’t offer it. But why limit player negotiations because a few owners overspend?
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 19, 2023 11:37:08 GMT -5
I read this as well, it's probably a non-starter since the players association isn't going to accept it. Part of me would be for a cap on contract length but at the same time nobody is forcing the owners to do these absurd 10+ year deals so at the end of the day I won't mind whatever ends up happening with contract lengths. I’m great with new competitive rules, but these rules seem like they treat the owners like a pack of infants. If 10+ years is bad business, don’t offer it. But why limit player negotiations because a few owners overspend? I agree with you 100%, I think probably what it comes down to is there’s more small market owners than big market ones and they want to improve their chances to succeed, and this is easier than becoming the Rays.
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2023 11:46:49 GMT -5
I’m great with new competitive rules, but these rules seem like they treat the owners like a pack of infants. If 10+ years is bad business, don’t offer it. But why limit player negotiations because a few owners overspend? I agree with you 100%, I think probably what it comes down to is there’s more small market owners than big market ones and they want to improve their chances to succeed, and this is easier than becoming the Rays. . Exactly. Faced with Cohen and maybe a couple others, they choose to punish players rather than make a stand against peers. Or simply accept this is the world they’ve bought into.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 19, 2023 12:10:54 GMT -5
I’m great with new competitive rules, but these rules seem like they treat the owners like a pack of infants. If 10+ years is bad business, don’t offer it. But why limit player negotiations because a few owners overspend? I agree with you 100%, I think probably what it comes down to is there’s more small market owners than big market ones and they want to improve their chances to succeed, and this is easier than becoming the Rays. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the big market owners want to save themselves from themselves, too: they'll sign the long contracts to compete if they have to, but they'd rather the whole market be constrained.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 19, 2023 12:23:07 GMT -5
I think asking for that is less about what the owners want to constrain, and more about what they imagine the union may give up. No more 10 year deals is not materially effecting a high % of union members, but they have historically been pretty stout ideologically against this kind of attack.
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Post by seamus on Apr 19, 2023 13:27:16 GMT -5
I think it's posturing for negotiations - given Manfred's background, literally everything he does has to be viewed from the lens of "how does this affect his bargaining position when sitting across from the union." By saying, "We want a cap on contract lengths," they can then spin not getting that as a concession and either get the union to drop something it actually wants or get one of their media stooges to build a narrative that MLB is being fair and reasonable. They're clearly conscious of public narratives and a growing pro-labor sentiment given how quickly they acquiesced to the minors unionizing as soon as it became apparent that they'd only be forestalling the inevitable.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 19, 2023 13:45:40 GMT -5
theathletic.com/4426971/2023/04/18/mlb-contract-term-limit-dispute/In case anyone thought the goodwill from wildly successful pace of game changes would last, Manfred brings up contract length limits, describing them as "an area of great interest" from owners. Tony Clark vehemently disagreed. (and note, the wildly successful pace of game changes were unilaterally implemented by owners, per CBA authority, if I interpreted correctly). These people are pigs. They got an additional estimated $80M-$100+M per team from various rights sales and the sale of MLB's data gathering operation, none of which they disclosed during the CBA, and if they had done so, would have likely given the players even more leverage for raising the luxury tax, minimum MLB wage and other elements of reimbursement significantly higher. Yet now - once again - they want the players (i.e. labor) to stop them from spending long term on...players. The players should tell the billionaires that if they're too cheap to be in the league (i.e. Cinn. Miami, TB, Pitts, Balt, etc.), then sell their teams to other billionaires who aren't. Otherwise they can go fester.
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Post by grandsalami on May 25, 2023 13:08:08 GMT -5
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Post by kingstephanos on Jun 8, 2023 8:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by okin15 on Jun 8, 2023 9:43:23 GMT -5
I concur. This is anecdotal / theoretical, but I think that the biggest impact is on "longer" games with more runs. I'm assuming that the typical game with more runs also has more at-bats and more pitches, so the duration between pitches has an even greater impact. Not only have games gotten shorter, but the length has become more predictable. I have honestly enjoyed watching even the losses this season because there is actual action during the time I'm sitting on the couch. My sleep schedule is better too.
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Post by cdj on Jun 8, 2023 9:46:42 GMT -5
I’ve said it before but it may be the best rule change in sports history
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 8, 2023 11:15:16 GMT -5
You're underestimating the NBA shot clock. Unless you really like dribbling that is.
Something flying under the radar is that AAA is playing with two different sets of strike zone rules right now. T-Th get have ABS, F-Su hey use the challenge system. I really want to see splits - Elly De La Cruz for example had drastic strikeout splits based on the system.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 5, 2023 9:41:12 GMT -5
Spotted in the wild: an actual fuddy-duddy take about how the pitch clock is bad, even after a full season in which it has obviously improved the game immensely. Trust me that I am no enemy of purple prose, nor of lamenting all the ways the modern world reduces everything in our experience to crude calculation, but sheesh...
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Post by juanpena on Oct 5, 2023 9:56:29 GMT -5
Spotted in the wild: an actual fuddy-duddy take about how the pitch clock is bad, even after a full season in which it has obviously improved the game immensely. Trust me that I am no enemy of purple prose, nor of lamenting all the ways the modern world reduces everything in our experience to crude calculation, but sheesh...
That's exactly the take I would expect from a literature professor who wrote a poetry collection called "Eggtooth."
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Post by sittingstill on Oct 5, 2023 10:08:12 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Oct 5, 2023 10:30:18 GMT -5
Spotted in the wild: an actual fuddy-duddy take about how the pitch clock is bad, even after a full season in which it has obviously improved the game immensely. Trust me that I am no enemy of purple prose, nor of lamenting all the ways the modern world reduces everything in our experience to crude calculation, but sheesh...
That's exactly the take I would expect from a literature professor who wrote a poetry collection called "Eggtooth." Haha. I feel a little guilty mocking, because when the war between the poets and the mathematicians comes I will totally be on the side of the poets. But come on...
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