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2022- 2023 Offseason Thread
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 9, 2022 13:08:22 GMT -5
Splitting hairs here and I know you have to give to get but I put Bleis in the conversation of as untouchable as Casas/Mayer/Bello and Raefella is dang close himself.
Murphy would add a lot to the ML roster but I just would loathe for the Sox to start unloading blue chip prospects right now. I think you unload players like that from the farm when you are one maybe two players away from being WS contenders but short of everything going their way next year I don't see it all that likely to expect the 2023 Sox to be in that class.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 15:44:07 GMT -5
This makes me want to go about town with Scott Boras at my side as he hypes me up repeatedly in ever more ludicrous fashion
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 9, 2022 16:05:01 GMT -5
This makes me want to go about town with Scott Boras at my side as he hypes me up repeatedly in ever more ludicrous fashion Did Boras trade brains with Don King?
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Post by cdj on Nov 9, 2022 16:22:21 GMT -5
This makes me want to go about town with Scott Boras at my side as he hypes me up repeatedly in ever more ludicrous fashion Boras cutting wrestling promos for his guys, I respect it
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Nov 9, 2022 16:24:35 GMT -5
Nimmo = JD Drew I'd love Nimmo, Rodon, Correa, Jansen, Chad Green. A defense that starts with Correa and story (post shift) up the middle and has an OF of Verdugo-Kiké-Nimmo is pretty damn good I’m sorry, but Nimmo & JD Drew are distinctly different players. The Mets are my 2nd team to watch and I’ve never been entirely impressed by his play especially at a supposed cost of 5 years/$100m+. Sure, he’s OBP machine but he’s made of glass and his defense is highly overrated. I’d much rather find a stopgap over the next couple of years w/ the hopes that Rafaela or Bleis (or a dark horse) makes a quick accession to the majors.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Nov 9, 2022 16:27:05 GMT -5
Splitting hairs here and I know you have to give to get but I put Bleis in the conversation of as untouchable as Casas/Mayer/Bello and Raefella is dang close himself. Murphy would add a lot to the ML roster but I just would loathe for the Sox to start unloading blue chip prospects right now. I think you unload players like that from the farm when you are one maybe two players away from being WS contenders but short of everything going their way next year I don't see it all that likely to expect the 2023 Sox to be in that class. Totally agree. Maybe the cost of Murphy can be taken down a tad by also taking someone like Laureno who’s owed an arbitration raise? Maybe a combo of Yorke, Mata, Drohan, Hickey and Kavadas gets it done?
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Post by tnyankee556 on Nov 9, 2022 16:44:44 GMT -5
You want to trade 5 of our better prospects for a catcher? Who do you think we're getting , a reincarnated Carlton Fisk or maybe Mike Piazza.How about Gary Carter?
I wouldn't give 5 good prospects for anyone I can think of except for maybe Pedro Martinez.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Nov 9, 2022 16:51:37 GMT -5
You want to trade 5 of our better prospects for a catcher? Who do you think we're getting , a reincarnated Carlton Fisk or maybe Mike Piazza.How about Gary Carter? I wouldn't give 5 good prospects for anyone I can think of except for maybe Pedro Martinez. Realistically this is what the A’s would be asking for. Many reports have stated the asking price is very high which is understandable for likely the best controllable catcher on the trade market right now. Honestly, I much rather re-sign Vazquez and call it a day in order to retain these prospects.
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Post by tnyankee556 on Nov 9, 2022 16:59:04 GMT -5
Now that transaction for Vasquez makes total sense to me. It's not like Jason Variteks of this world grow on trees. Lol.
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Post by melvinhoggs on Nov 9, 2022 17:48:27 GMT -5
My alternative to paying big for post-breakout Sean Murphy is paying for pre-breakout Keibert Ruiz. I don't see the Sox as a top contender next year and while the target was questionable last time (Bradley), I'm always a fan of buying prospects by taking on money.
Take Patrick Corbin's contract along with Ruiz (a couple prospects go the other way), give him a full-time shot behind the plate and pray that someone can fix Corbin to some extent. Maybe it's not enough to tempt Washington, but they've had some seriously bad luck lately with contracts (Corbin, Strasburg) and prospects (Robles, Gray, Abrams).
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Nov 9, 2022 18:05:25 GMT -5
My alternative to paying big for post-breakout Sean Murphy is paying for pre-breakout Keibert Ruiz. I don't see the Sox as a top contender next year and while the target was questionable last time (Bradley), I'm always a fan of buying prospects by taking on money. Take Patrick Corbin's contract along with Ruiz (a couple prospects go the other way), give him a full-time shot behind the plate and pray that someone can fix Corbin to some extent. Maybe it's not enough to tempt Washington, but they've had some seriously bad luck lately with contracts (Corbin, Strasburg) and prospects (Robles, Gray, Abrams). I don't think Washington is going to bite at this one. They're desperately holding onto any promising prospect in the hopes of improving their performance next year and in turn improving the value of their eventual sale of the franchise.
Also, I wouldn't even touch Corbin with a 10 foot pole especially with that albatross of a contract. I don't think there's any mechanics that can fix that man.
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Post by melvinhoggs on Nov 9, 2022 18:11:34 GMT -5
My alternative to paying big for post-breakout Sean Murphy is paying for pre-breakout Keibert Ruiz. I don't see the Sox as a top contender next year and while the target was questionable last time (Bradley), I'm always a fan of buying prospects by taking on money. Take Patrick Corbin's contract along with Ruiz (a couple prospects go the other way), give him a full-time shot behind the plate and pray that someone can fix Corbin to some extent. Maybe it's not enough to tempt Washington, but they've had some seriously bad luck lately with contracts (Corbin, Strasburg) and prospects (Robles, Gray, Abrams). I don't think Washington is going to bite at this one. They're desperately holding onto any promising prospect in the hopes of improving their performance next year and in turn improving the value of their eventual sale of the franchise.
Also, I wouldn't even touch Corbin with a 10 foot pole especially with that albatross of a contract. I don't think there's any mechanics that can fix that man.
Agree it's very unlikely, but there's been rumors swirling about them trying to get out from under the Corbin contract for a while now. And of course it's a huge albatross, but it's only for 2 more years and the point isn't really to hope for a rebound – it's to tempt the Nationals into getting out from under $60M of sunk money and allow the Sox to hang onto all their top prospects in getting Ruiz.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Nov 9, 2022 18:24:04 GMT -5
I don't think Washington is going to bite at this one. They're desperately holding onto any promising prospect in the hopes of improving their performance next year and in turn improving the value of their eventual sale of the franchise.
Also, I wouldn't even touch Corbin with a 10 foot pole especially with that albatross of a contract. I don't think there's any mechanics that can fix that man.
Agree it's very unlikely, but there's been rumors swirling about them trying to get out from under the Corbin contract for a while now. And of course it's a huge albatross, but it's only for 2 more years and the point isn't really to hope for a rebound – it's to tempt the Nationals into getting out from under $60M of sunk money and allow the Sox to hang onto all their top prospects in getting Ruiz. Completely understand! I'm just biased in that I would prefer to eat a contract like Yelich's where we'd get a return of Burnes/Woodruff and/or Adames (should X not re-sign).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 9, 2022 20:36:03 GMT -5
This makes me want to go about town with Scott Boras at my side as he hypes me up repeatedly in ever more ludicrous fashion Boras cutting wrestling promos for his guys, I respect it I find Boras nauseating.
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Post by jimoh on Nov 10, 2022 6:43:46 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 10, 2022 8:06:15 GMT -5
Heaney is interesting, his fastball velocity ticked up a bit and from what I read he discovered something with his slider that made it a real weapon. I've seen 2/20M thrown around for what he may be looking at. Heaney may be this years "Wacha" so to speak if they do end up signing him.
Lugo, that's a big eh out of me. Probably would be better than some of the low leverage fodder they threw out there last year so that could be a plus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 8:10:30 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 10, 2022 8:24:26 GMT -5
If the ChiSox were inclined to salary dump any of Hendricks/Gravemen/Kelly for relievers or maybe Lynn as a starter, or if they really want to get crazy Eloy/Luis Robert/Tim Anderson count me as hopeful the BoSox are involved. Would seem unlikely Eloy/Luis Robert/Anderson would be salary dump type moves and they'd require real prospects going back but perhaps the price would be a little cheaper if they really are inclined to shed salary.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 10, 2022 8:33:17 GMT -5
Neither here nor there I guess but, reading Jeff Passan's MLB Offseason preview and one section is "which teams are most likely to go really big this winter". He lists: Mets, Dodgers, Yankees, Giants, Rangers, Phillies, Mariners, Cubs, Cardinals, Twins and Orioles. He is basing this off of "sources", I'm sorry but how are the Red Sox not on this list? He didn't even include them on lists of "teams that cound spend, should the right opportunities present themselves".
The likelihood that the Red Sox aren't one of the top 1/3 in spenders this offseason are basically 0. I shouldn't care about it but jeez that just seems like such an absurd oversight but I guess who knows maybe the "sources" know something we don't and the Sox are just going to sit on their thumbs all offseason and not spend the 80M or so that we assume they have available to spend.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 10, 2022 8:48:25 GMT -5
Awesome...another injury prone SP. Heaney can't stay healthy. But the price is probably good on both.
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Post by incandenza on Nov 10, 2022 8:57:08 GMT -5
Awesome...another injury prone SP. Heaney can't stay healthy. But the price is probably good on both. Do you mind sharing your actual prediction for the offseason? Because every comment you make is some version of complaining about Bloom trying to find good deals on the FA market (a bad thing, apparently?) as if you assume he's going to spend $80 million on like 12 different guys or something. Did the Story signing, or the team going over the CBT last year, do nothing to change your view that Bloom is constitutionally incapable of spending big?
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Nov 10, 2022 9:30:47 GMT -5
Awesome...another injury prone SP. Heaney can't stay healthy. But the price is probably good on both. Do you mind sharing your actual prediction for the offseason? Because every comment you make is some version of complaining about Bloom trying to find good deals on the FA market (a bad thing, apparently?) as if you assume he's going to spend $80 million on like 12 different guys or something. Did the Story signing, or the team going over the CBT last year, do nothing to change your view that Bloom is constitutionally incapable of spending big? Totally agree! It seems most of the pitchers on the FA market are injury risks. The constant complaining gets old! It is that or why the Red Sox do not have a $400,000,000 player at every position.
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Post by nomar on Nov 10, 2022 9:34:34 GMT -5
This makes me want to go about town with Scott Boras at my side as he hypes me up repeatedly in ever more ludicrous fashion I am the Versace of procrastination
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 10, 2022 10:01:23 GMT -5
Heaney is fascinating, until 2021, he hadn't thrown a slider since 2016, and in 2021, he threw 21 of them. In 2022, he threw 398, accounting for 32% of his pitches. He has totally ditched his curveball. He struggled mightily avoiding hard contact last season, especially with his FB, that is the biggest red flag outside of health.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 10, 2022 10:23:21 GMT -5
Awesome...another injury prone SP. Heaney can't stay healthy. But the price is probably good on both. Do you mind sharing your actual prediction for the offseason? Because every comment you make is some version of complaining about Bloom trying to find good deals on the FA market (a bad thing, apparently?) as if you assume he's going to spend $80 million on like 12 different guys or something. Did the Story signing, or the team going over the CBT last year, do nothing to change your view that Bloom is constitutionally incapable of spending big? I mean Andrew Heaney? Come on. Dude comes with bubble wrap. He's good when healthy. Even healthy-ish. But even you have to admit that giving this guy even a 2 year deal is not a good idea. His stuff though have never been in question. My prediction is that he signs a couple of guys who are coming off somewhat down years to inflated 1-2 year deals, moves a prospect or two for someone like Brandon Lowe, and makes an honest attempt to sign DeGrom but strikes out and has to go the route of signing 3 guys to see what sticks. Xander going to market puts the Sox in a bidding war that they won't be the top offer. Again, they come to him with something like 6/150 or 5/130 during last offseason he would never have gotten to market. They caused the Xander issue. Which is why I believe they signed Story. It tells me that they don't think Xander sticks at SS and they aren't comfortable extending him at the money needed. Story will make less than Xander. If they signed Xander after Story then I would have a much different view on things Bloom is doing.
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