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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 14, 2022 18:09:11 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm jumping the gun here and if so please delete my thread but we have a 2023 lineup and rotation thread so figured why not have just an offseason as a whole thread.
I'd say Bloom is in a very tough spot this offseason. He's probably getting fired if the sox have another bad season even though he came into a bad situation and overall I like what he's done for the organization as a whole. He has a lot of money to spend but also a lot of holes to fill. As has been said in other threads the 85ish million he has to spend gets gobbled up really quickly with the thought he has to either keep xandy or replace him which costs roughly 1/3 of that 85 million.
So I ask what do we think he does? What do we think he should do? How can he bridge the gap to the potentially burgeoning farm system to build the perennially competitive sox team?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 24, 2022 12:46:27 GMT -5
www.baseballtradevalues.com/non-tender-candidates-from-each-team/Red Sox: Ryan Brasier, Franchy Cordero, Tyler Danish, Darwinzon Hernandez Wait, wasn’t Brasier good this year? A little. But his WPA was -1.49, and that’s not good. The Sox can find better production at a cheaper cost. Hopes were once high for Darwinzon, but he’s been a mess for the last three years
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 24, 2022 13:33:44 GMT -5
www.baseballtradevalues.com/non-tender-candidates-from-each-team/Red Sox: Ryan Brasier, Franchy Cordero, Tyler Danish, Darwinzon Hernandez Wait, wasn’t Brasier good this year? A little. But his WPA was -1.49, and that’s not good. The Sox can find better production at a cheaper cost. Hopes were once high for Darwinzon, but he’s been a mess for the last three years Some interesting names
Christian Pache - If Ceddanne Rafaela's 2023 was disappointing at the plate, and his 2024 was a disaster, he'd be what Pache is today. Hunter Renfroe Cody Bellinger Abraham Toro Jacob Stallings - they were supposedly the runners up to trade for him last year, then he had a bad season Dominic Smith - doesn't really fit the roster but they've been attached to him in rumors for a while Austin Meadows Isiah Kiner-Falefa
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 24, 2022 14:32:18 GMT -5
www.baseballtradevalues.com/non-tender-candidates-from-each-team/Red Sox: Ryan Brasier, Franchy Cordero, Tyler Danish, Darwinzon Hernandez Wait, wasn’t Brasier good this year? A little. But his WPA was -1.49, and that’s not good. The Sox can find better production at a cheaper cost. Hopes were once high for Darwinzon, but he’s been a mess for the last three years That list is silly there is some names on there that are laughable. Luis patino? Lol ok
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Post by xdmo on Oct 24, 2022 20:51:57 GMT -5
www.baseballtradevalues.com/non-tender-candidates-from-each-team/Red Sox: Ryan Brasier, Franchy Cordero, Tyler Danish, Darwinzon Hernandez Wait, wasnât Brasier good this year? A little. But his WPA was -1.49, and thatâs not good. The Sox can find better production at a cheaper cost. Hopes were once high for Darwinzon, but heâs been a mess for the last three years Some interesting names
Christian Pache - If Ceddanne Rafaela's 2023 was disappointing at the plate, and his 2024 was a disaster, he'd be what Pache is today. Hunter Renfroe Cody Bellinger Abraham Toro Jacob Stallings - they were supposedly the runners up to trade for him last year, then he had a bad season Dominic Smith - doesn't really fit the roster but they've been attached to him in rumors for a while Austin Meadows Isiah Kiner-Falefa
Didn't the A's just trade for Pache? Who are they going they going to replace him with? They're trading Ramon Laureano this winter, most likely. Pache, Kiké, and Verdugo would be fun defensively. I don't see it, however.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 24, 2022 21:18:41 GMT -5
Some interesting names
Christian Pache - If Ceddanne Rafaela's 2023 was disappointing at the plate, and his 2024 was a disaster, he'd be what Pache is today. Hunter Renfroe Cody Bellinger Abraham Toro Jacob Stallings - they were supposedly the runners up to trade for him last year, then he had a bad season Dominic Smith - doesn't really fit the roster but they've been attached to him in rumors for a while Austin Meadows Isiah Kiner-Falefa
Didn't the A's just trade for Pache? Who are they going they going to replace him with? They're trading Ramon Laureano this winter, most likely. Pache, Kiké, and Verdugo would be fun defensively. I don't see it, however. I'd say Pache was moreso part of the trade, than the main attraction. It was all about Shea
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 28, 2022 23:51:56 GMT -5
Lots of internet chatter about Yankee fans booing Judge and now Judge has deleted the Yankees from him Instagram. He gone*.
*Hawkism I always hated
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Post by teddyballgame9 on Oct 29, 2022 9:39:14 GMT -5
This is who I want Chaim going after hard if this happens. I’d rather spend on him and Trea Turner if Xander and Devers don’t want to extend and trade Devers to the highest bidder. We can use those prospect to approach Miami about Alcantara or target other young top tier pitching. Other option is Arenado at 3B and Trade Devers to SD for Tatis Jr. Devers plays first for them and we get a young SS that could use a change of scenery. Tatis is young and controlled and Devers maybe that missing piece they need. Is Tatis young and immature? Maybe, but so was Harper at that age and he is killing it now at age 30. I think Tatis knows he messed up and will learn from this and can thrive in the right organization. Worse case, he hits well and is moved or traded when Mayers is ready.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 29, 2022 10:32:00 GMT -5
This is who I want Chaim going after hard if this happens. I’d rather spend on him and Trea Turner if Xander and Devers don’t want to extend and trade Devers to the highest bidder. We can use those prospect to approach Miami about Alcantara or target other young top tier pitching. Other option is Arenado at 3B and Trade Devers to SD for Tatis Jr. Devers plays first for them and we get a young SS that could use a change of scenery. Tatis is young and controlled and Devers maybe that missing piece they need. Is Tatis young and immature? Maybe, but so was Harper at that age and he is killing it now at age 30. I think Tatis knows he messed up and will learn from this and can thrive in the right organization. Worse case, he hits well and is moved or traded when Mayers is ready. Harper didnt get popped for PEDs or miss time the way Tatis did. Harper was and is reliable. Tatis isn't.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 29, 2022 10:35:08 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Oct 29, 2022 10:55:54 GMT -5
I like the outside the box thinking on Tatis. Adding that guy on his $17 million AAV would be quite a get. The problem is that if San Diego were willing to trade him that in itself would make me more worried about his maturity/character issues.
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Post by teddyballgame9 on Oct 29, 2022 11:02:52 GMT -5
This is who I want Chaim going after hard if this happens. I’d rather spend on him and Trea Turner if Xander and Devers don’t want to extend and trade Devers to the highest bidder. We can use those prospect to approach Miami about Alcantara or target other young top tier pitching. Other option is Arenado at 3B and Trade Devers to SD for Tatis Jr. Devers plays first for them and we get a young SS that could use a change of scenery. Tatis is young and controlled and Devers maybe that missing piece they need. Is Tatis young and immature? Maybe, but so was Harper at that age and he is killing it now at age 30. I think Tatis knows he messed up and will learn from this and can thrive in the right organization. Worse case, he hits well and is moved or traded when Mayers is ready. Harper didnt get popped for PEDs or miss time the way Tatis did. Harper was and is reliable. Tatis isn't. I agree about the PED part and it’s inexcusable what he did with the Padres. My only point is people grow and he’s still very young. Harper did plenty in his past to make people hate him, but he’s seems to have turned that page. My real point was that I would rather have Arenado and trade Devers if both sides are miles apart on an extension. Tatis is a good bounce back candidate if he’s trying to improve his image and maybe able to be had cheaper due to what happened. Ultimately if they are trading Devers I hope it’s for pitching or pieces that allow Chaim to trade for young and controlled arms.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 29, 2022 13:07:39 GMT -5
This is who I want Chaim going after hard if this happens. I’d rather spend on him and Trea Turner if Xander and Devers don’t want to extend and trade Devers to the highest bidder. We can use those prospect to approach Miami about Alcantara or target other young top tier pitching. Other option is Arenado at 3B and Trade Devers to SD for Tatis Jr. Devers plays first for them and we get a young SS that could use a change of scenery. Tatis is young and controlled and Devers maybe that missing piece they need. Is Tatis young and immature? Maybe, but so was Harper at that age and he is killing it now at age 30. I think Tatis knows he messed up and will learn from this and can thrive in the right organization. Worse case, he hits well and is moved or traded when Mayers is ready. Harper didnt get popped for PEDs or miss time the way Tatis did. Harper was and is reliable. Tatis isn't. Would have loved that. But Arenado just informed the Cardinals that he's opting IN to remaining 5 years of his contract
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Post by KB24 on Oct 31, 2022 10:04:21 GMT -5
Kodai Senga has filed for free agency from the NPB. He'll be 30 in January but posted a 1.94 ERA in 144 innings with 156K/49BB last season and has a career 2.59 ERA in 1,089 innings and 10.35 K/9. No posting fee attached so I hope the Sox take a close look at whether he could be a viable option.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 6, 2022 9:45:19 GMT -5
ESPN has the way too early power rankings for next season (way, way too early of course since so many teams will be highly altered between now and the start of the season) www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34929129/2023-mlb-power-rankings-our-way-too-early-no-1Highlights- Houston/Atlanta/San Diego 1-2-3 Tampa/Dodgers 4-5 Toronto 8 MFY 11 Orioles 15 Red Sox 23 (with only some really dreadful teams 24-30) Here's the text ______________ "2022 record: 78-84 (fifth in the AL East) 2022 final ranking: 17 It's hard to know what to make of the Red Sox right now with two last-place finishes sandwiched around a playoff trip in 2021. Xander Bogaerts was their best player in 2022, and he's expected to opt out of his player option and head into free agency. Boston can slide Trevor Story over to shortstop, although his arm strength is an issue, so maybe the Red Sox will sign another of the free-agent shortstops (or a stopgap until top prospect Marcelo Mayer is ready). Their top two pitchers via WAR were Michael Wacha and John Schreiber, which is not a path to success, as the Red Sox finished 22nd in the majors in rotation ERA and 26th in bullpen ERA. Wacha, Nathan Eovaldi and Rich Hill are all free agents, which is 69 starts to figure out. The hope is 30 of those will come from Chris Sale, who made just two starts in 2022 after suffering a stress fracture in his rib cage, a broken pinkie and then a fractured wrist in a bicycle accident. Some veterans like Alex Verdugo and Enrique Hernandez are capable of better seasons, and the Red Sox have money to spend, but this feels like a roster in disarray. ______________ Don't shoot the messenger! I wanted to plant this here so we can reference it as the offseason unfolds.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Nov 6, 2022 11:07:17 GMT -5
I'm going to state the obvious, signing Xander would be a great start then add two starting pitcher's and a right fielder with some pop either from a trade or free agency. If Devers and the sox can't get a contract done then look at what he will bring in a trade. I really don't want to see Mayer or Rafaela packaged in any deal unless it is for a young superstar. This winter Bloom has a lot on his plate. One thing you can count on is that the roster for next season is going to look very different then 2022.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 6, 2022 13:58:52 GMT -5
Offseason to do list
1) Sign star SS ($20-$30 million) 2) Sign starting corner outfield ($10-$15 million) 3) Sign midrange SP ($10-$15 million)
4) Bring back Kiké Hernandez ($10 million) 5) Bring back Rich Hill ($5 million) 6) Sprinkle in some bullpen spending ($10 million) 7) Trade Eric Hosmer 8) Long term Brayan Bello deal 9) Long term Triston Casas deal
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 6, 2022 14:16:19 GMT -5
Offseason to do list 1) Sign star SS ($20-$30 million) 2) Sign starting corner outfield ($10-$15 million) 3) Sign midrange SP ($10-$15 million) 4) Bring back Kiké Hernandez ($10 million)5) Bring back Rich Hill ($5 million) 6) Sprinkle in some bullpen spending ($10 million) 7) Trade Eric Hosmer 8) Long term Brayan Bello deal 9) Long term Triston Casas deal I like this list with a few exceptions. I think Hosmer can fit in on the 2023 team pretty well and not sure he'd fetch much return. If I'm wrong and he can bring back something of value to the roster then I'd be for it though. I wouldn't deal him for some lotto ticket prospects though. I'm not sure I want to sign Bello to an extension quite yet. We still don't know exactly what he is and pitching is so volatile and injury prone that I kind of think it makes sense to keep him for the cheap rookie deals the next year maybe 2. If he'd sign something like what Whitlock got then sure but not sure if he would or not? Just one man's opinion though and I can see the rationale to approaching him at least. Same argument as Bello for Casas though I'd be more inclined to give him an extension now as he seems a more sure bet to be a key cog for many years. Not sure what an extension could look like for him though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 6, 2022 15:04:55 GMT -5
Reminder that Hosmer now has a no-trade clause that kicked in when he was traded.
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Post by gerry on Nov 6, 2022 16:31:52 GMT -5
That no trade clause will, thankfully, preserve a potentially very valuable DH, 1B, PH especially with his lefty Fenway swing vs RHP. We can hope he also continues to mentor and back our exciting rookie Casas (about whose readiness no one is certain); and provide veteran steadiness and leadership. That he does all this at league min frees up the $$ to sign a good RF or SP. This Hoss, properly deployed, should be a key member of the winning 2023 Red Sox.
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Post by briam on Nov 6, 2022 16:38:38 GMT -5
And here we go.
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Post by semperfisox on Nov 6, 2022 16:42:11 GMT -5
I miss how awesome the baseball hot stove offseason used to be.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 6, 2022 16:50:48 GMT -5
I miss how awesome the baseball hot stove offseason used to be. Wayyy to much for a RP. given how volatile they are. Just ask chapman or Kimbrel
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Post by incandenza on Nov 6, 2022 16:59:47 GMT -5
If Diaz is 100% healthy for the full five years he'll make about $300,000 per inning. That's basically what Scherzer earned this season while making only 23 starts.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 6, 2022 17:08:05 GMT -5
Offseason to do list 1) Sign star SS ($20-$30 million) 2) Sign starting corner outfield ($10-$15 million) 3) Sign midrange SP ($10-$15 million) 4) Bring back Kiké Hernandez ($10 million)5) Bring back Rich Hill ($5 million) 6) Sprinkle in some bullpen spending ($10 million) 7) Trade Eric Hosmer 8) Long term Brayan Bello deal 9) Long term Triston Casas deal I like this list with a few exceptions. I think Hosmer can fit in on the 2023 team pretty well and not sure he'd fetch much return. If I'm wrong and he can bring back something of value to the roster then I'd be for it though. I wouldn't deal him for some lotto ticket prospects though. I'm not sure I want to sign Bello to an extension quite yet. We still don't know exactly what he is and pitching is so volatile and injury prone that I kind of think it makes sense to keep him for the cheap rookie deals the next year maybe 2. If he'd sign something like what Whitlock got then sure but not sure if he would or not? Just one man's opinion though and I can see the rationale to approaching him at least. Same argument as Bello for Casas though I'd be more inclined to give him an extension now as he seems a more sure bet to be a key cog for many years. Not sure what an extension could look like for him though. I'm no fan of Hosmer. He's a mediocre player. That said the Sox won't trade him until they're sure Casas is healthy. Last I remember reading Casas was having a knee issue? They have to make sure he's healthy first before they extend him and/ or trade Hosmer away.
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