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2023 Non-Red Sox Thread
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Post by incandenza on Feb 28, 2023 12:56:50 GMT -5
Damn, that sucks. And now that Dodgers lineup looks real thin, by their standards. I guess they have Miguel Rojas starting at SS?
ADD: It's not hard to imagine a fall-off for them in the manner of the 2019 Red Sox:
-Downgrading from Trea Turner (6.3 WAR) to, now, Miguel Rojas or whomever. -Downgrading from Justin Turner (2.4 WAR) to JD Martinez. -Freeman had a career high 7 WAR and is now 33. -Betts had 6.6 WAR and is now 30. -They somehow got 2.5 WAR out of a 31-year-old Trayce Thompson, which is probably not going to happen again. -Subtracting 300 very good IP from Anderson, Heaney, and Buehler, and adding Syndergaard and May is likely a downgrade; their starters had a 2.75 ERA last year (!!) and it's hard to see them repeating that.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 28, 2023 13:13:44 GMT -5
Damn, that sucks. And now that Dodgers lineup looks real thin, by their standards. I guess they have Miguel Rojas starting at SS? Wouldn't surprise me if they signed Profar to play some LF for them and play Taylor at SS more than he has in the past? Still leaves them a little thin but might be the best pivot they could make at this point in time with what's left on the FA market.
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Post by nomar on Feb 28, 2023 13:29:56 GMT -5
Damn, that sucks. And now that Dodgers lineup looks real thin, by their standards. I guess they have Miguel Rojas starting at SS? Even though he did have a good year last year, Lux is a harrowing reminder that prospects can break your heart.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 28, 2023 17:08:04 GMT -5
uh... Matt, who was it that gave you that big extension right before the sticky stuff ban... If you are Mad at Bloom I dont know what to say...
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Post by incandenza on Feb 28, 2023 17:15:51 GMT -5
No idea how to read that quote. Are the people "currently running it" different from the "people at the top"?
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Post by nomar on Feb 28, 2023 17:19:03 GMT -5
No idea how to read that quote. Are the people "currently running it" different from the "people at the top"? It’s a shot at Bloom, but it’s really petty since he gave him the stupid contract that Barnes otherwise never would have gotten.
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 28, 2023 17:21:22 GMT -5
Is this lingering Kevin Plawecki solidarity?
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Post by nomar on Feb 28, 2023 17:47:09 GMT -5
One thing is clear to me: The sense of entitlement to success ratio was way, way too high last year.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 28, 2023 22:14:54 GMT -5
This is so tiresome. I understand that Abraham covers all things even marginally contentious for the sake of harvesting eyeballs. But the last person whose thoughts about running the Sox he should highlight is Barnes.
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Post by cdj on Feb 28, 2023 22:45:56 GMT -5
Brendan Rodgers dislocated his shoulder. Another notable ST casualty
Would hate to be a former top prospect MI in the NL West right now!!
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 1, 2023 0:34:20 GMT -5
One thing is clear to me: The sense of entitlement to success ratio was way, way too high last year. Good call. AC seems to be specifically trying to rein this in from what I've heard him say.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 1, 2023 8:53:05 GMT -5
This is so tiresome. I understand that Abraham covers all things even marginally contentious for the sake of harvesting eyeballs. But the last person whose thoughts about running the Sox he should highlight is Barnes. I gave up on him years ago. Mastradonato, whom I used to like, went down the same pessimistic route and I have to ignore him now too. Red Sox beat deserves better. Thank heavens for Speier.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 1, 2023 8:54:45 GMT -5
This is so tiresome. I understand that Abraham covers all things even marginally contentious for the sake of harvesting eyeballs. But the last person whose thoughts about running the Sox he should highlight is Barnes. I gave up on him years ago. Mastradonato, whom I used to like, went down the same pessimistic route and I have to ignore him now too. Red Sox beat deserves better. Thank heavens for Speier. Good news, Mastradonato is gone as of a couple weeks ago
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Mar 1, 2023 14:44:53 GMT -5
Sports talk radio has been an abomination for years, but the afternoon drive on WEEI is absolutely unlistenable since Merloni left. At least he tried his best to balance things out.
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Post by jmei on Mar 1, 2023 18:22:31 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, but it is infuriating to me to see so much national media praise of the Padres front office. Overpaying (in trades, free agency signings and extensions) for star talent that fits poorly on the field should not be that praiseworthy. It is great that Padres ownership is willing to spend to chase a title, but you cannot convince me that the front office has done a good job of allocating the resources that they have been allotted.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 1, 2023 18:38:33 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, but it is infuriating to me to see so much national media praise of the Padres front office. Overpaying (in trades, free agency signings and extensions) for star talent that fits poorly on the field should not be that praiseworthy. It is great that Padres ownership is willing to spend to chase a title, but you cannot convince me that the front office has done a good job of allocating the resources that they have been allotted. The reasons to root against that team are certainly mounting.
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 1, 2023 18:41:58 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, but it is infuriating to me to see so much national media praise of the Padres front office. Overpaying (in trades, free agency signings and extensions) for star talent that fits poorly on the field should not be that praiseworthy. It is great that Padres ownership is willing to spend to chase a title, but you cannot convince me that the front office has done a good job of allocating the resources that they have been allotted. It shouldn't be astonishing to me but it is how national media people every single year without fail look at the teams that spend the most money in a given off-season and praise them as a team with a plan, as if it is some brilliant maneuver to simply spend more than everyone else. That said I still like the Padres and will root for them to be successful.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 1, 2023 18:56:40 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, but it is infuriating to me to see so much national media praise of the Padres front office. Overpaying (in trades, free agency signings and extensions) for star talent that fits poorly on the field should not be that praiseworthy. It is great that Padres ownership is willing to spend to chase a title, but you cannot convince me that the front office has done a good job of allocating the resources that they have been allotted. 2021-2022 Padres: Ownership happy to spend, in go for it now mode, reaping the rewards of having the #1 ranked farm system 2018 and 2019, won 168 games
2021-2022 Red Sox: Ownership happy to spend, in go for it later mode, paying the price for having the #30 ranked farm system 2018 and 2019, won 170 games
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Post by jmei on Mar 1, 2023 19:19:54 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, but it is infuriating to me to see so much national media praise of the Padres front office. Overpaying (in trades, free agency signings and extensions) for star talent that fits poorly on the field should not be that praiseworthy. It is great that Padres ownership is willing to spend to chase a title, but you cannot convince me that the front office has done a good job of allocating the resources that they have been allotted. 2021-2022 Padres: Ownership happy to spend, in go for it now mode, reaping the rewards of having the #1 ranked farm system 2018 and 2019, won 168 games 2021-2022 Red Sox: Ownership happy to spend, in go for it later mode, paying the price for having the #30 ranked farm system 2018 and 2019, won 170 games
As you astutely picked up, the fact that the Padres front office is being praised while the Red Sox front office is being trashed in most corners makes it particularly infuriating.
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Post by keninten on Mar 1, 2023 19:43:40 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, but it is infuriating to me to see so much national media praise of the Padres front office. Overpaying (in trades, free agency signings and extensions) for star talent that fits poorly on the field should not be that praiseworthy. It is great that Padres ownership is willing to spend to chase a title, but you cannot convince me that the front office has done a good job of allocating the resources that they have been allotted. 2021-2022 Padres: Ownership happy to spend, in go for it now mode, reaping the rewards of having the #1 ranked farm system 2018 and 2019, won 168 games
2021-2022 Red Sox: Ownership happy to spend, in go for it later mode, paying the price for having the #30 ranked farm system 2018 and 2019, won 170 games
Makes winning all the sweeter.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 1, 2023 22:47:04 GMT -5
What's needed - what's always needed - is accountability, and not just for the choice of expensive players and whether they fit together. There would have to be follow-up on the touts, the cheerleaders. The context has to be (possible) short-term success versus long-term viability.
They've formfitted the Padres for a financial straightjacket with significant implications: loss of draft position; tax penalties; an inability to afford the complementary pieces that are the key to a successful run. That's before we talk about what it means to have such disparity in the team salary structure as that straightjacket gets buckled up good and tight.
Will we get follow-up from the cheerleading squad?
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Post by lonborgski on Mar 2, 2023 5:36:42 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, but it is infuriating to me to see so much national media praise of the Padres front office. Overpaying (in trades, free agency signings and extensions) for star talent that fits poorly on the field should not be that praiseworthy. It is great that Padres ownership is willing to spend to chase a title, but you cannot convince me that the front office has done a good job of allocating the resources that they have been allotted. 2021-2022 Padres: Ownership happy to spend, in go for it now mode, reaping the rewards of having the #1 ranked farm system 2018 and 2019, won 168 games
2021-2022 Red Sox: Ownership happy to spend, in go for it later mode, paying the price for having the #30 ranked farm system 2018 and 2019, won 170 games
So, should 2021 and 2022 be combined, or should 2022 now stand alone? Discuss. Is “what have you done for me lately” a legitimate critique, or is it childish? Should fans feel loved when ownership spends freely in the off season, or should fans feel loved by ownership that spends at the top reaches of the league but seems to religiously stick to a “sustainable” spending philosophy? By “sustainable” I mean spending all that the team earns but not more. Maximize team revenue where possible but don’t put your own new money in year after year. With MLB being private, it’s nearly impossible to know if Henry et al is taking money out of the Sox, but see the Athletic’s coverage of Liverpool’s finances, where statements are public. I think the takeaway is that Liverpool is high earning, high spending club, but is having a difficult time keeping up with middle Eastern oil money which just wants to buy wins.
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 2, 2023 10:10:56 GMT -5
That contract will almost certainly become a mess at the end. But, in the meantime, Machado is about as close to a sure thing as there is in MLB. He does just about everything really well and is on a HOF track with a potential 500HR/3000 hit resume when all is said and done. I know we all hate the guy, but he’s one of the very best in the business. If the Padres have a strong window of contention over the next few seasons, Machado is a huge piece of that puzzle. They had to keep him around.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 2, 2023 10:33:05 GMT -5
That contract will almost certainly become a mess at the end. But, in the meantime, Machado is about as close to a sure thing as there is in MLB. He does just about everything really well and is on a HOF track with a potential 500HR/3000 hit resume when all is said and done. I know we all hate the guy, but he’s one of the very best in the business. If the Padres have a strong window of contention over the next few seasons, Machado is a huge piece of that puzzle. They had to keep him around. Though bear in mind they already had him for this year. So the extension starts in his age 31 season, when ZiPS projects him to have already declined to about a 4 WAR player, and then 3.5 WAR by 2025.
If they had simply let him play out this season and then spent $30 million on the FA market next year they could have gotten as much or more value over the next few years but without hamstringing themselves for 7 or 8 years.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 2, 2023 10:46:47 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, but it is infuriating to me to see so much national media praise of the Padres front office. Overpaying (in trades, free agency signings and extensions) for star talent that fits poorly on the field should not be that praiseworthy. It is great that Padres ownership is willing to spend to chase a title, but you cannot convince me that the front office has done a good job of allocating the resources that they have been allotted. I don't know, I kind of like it. Players work for years being underpaid and when they hit FA, they cash in. And superstars get paid, been that way forever. Bold can't be determined until the contracts / seasons are completed. Also, they are competing against Dodgers. Maybe their feeling is that just being good enough for WC won't give them as good a chance to win it all, just speculation on my part. Playoffs are a crapshoot. They should be fun to watch, though, got a lot of great players to rely on. I will be rooting for them, because of X, and because of the organizational panache.
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