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Post by bosox904 on Mar 10, 2023 14:16:18 GMT -5
Don't know that it qualifies as clamoring but if you search for Rodon's name across the entire forum it shows up quite a few times. Haven't looked through all of those but there were certainly people entertaining the idea. I wanted him, but not at what he got.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 10, 2023 14:18:31 GMT -5
Those who were clamoring for the Sox to sign him this off-season are reallllllll quiet now… Was anyone doing that? I literally can’t think of anyone. Maybe not here, but on Twitter certainly.
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Post by kman22 on Mar 10, 2023 16:01:39 GMT -5
Don't know that it qualifies as clamoring but if you search for Rodon's name across the entire forum it shows up quite a few times. Haven't looked through all of those but there were certainly people entertaining the idea. Last offseason when he had no pick attached and was likely looking for a 1-2 yr deal, that was when he seemed like a great fit.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 10, 2023 16:24:39 GMT -5
Don't know that it qualifies as clamoring but if you search for Rodon's name across the entire forum it shows up quite a few times. Haven't looked through all of those but there were certainly people entertaining the idea. Last offseason when he had no pick attached and was likely looking for a 1-2 yr deal, that was when he seemed like a great fit. That's a good example of a reasonable gamble to take in a year when they were going over the CBT.
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Post by cdj on Mar 10, 2023 21:32:51 GMT -5
Keibert Ruiz gets 8/50 from the Nats
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 10, 2023 21:42:38 GMT -5
Keibert Ruiz gets 8/50 from the Nats Not a bad model for a Casas deal. Different positions, but similar ranked prospects. Ruiz has one+ year of service time and 2.1 WAR, which would be about a median outcome for Casas in a year.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Mar 10, 2023 23:26:02 GMT -5
Keibert Ruiz gets 8/50 from the Nats Not a bad model for a Casas deal. Different positions, but similar ranked prospects. Ruiz has one+ year of service time and 2.1 WAR, which would be about a median outcome for Casas in a year. I was encouraged at Winter Weekend when Bloom said the goal is to develop good young players and make decisions about which ones to offer long-term, pre-arb contracts. That's what the model should be. If the Red Sox can get Casas on a Ruiz-like deal by OD or even early in the season and still stay under the LTTT, I'd be thrilled. I expect him to outperform the projections and have a nice year. That'll just drive the price up.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 11, 2023 15:26:28 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 11, 2023 15:54:30 GMT -5
Take out the pre-arb years and it's 5/108. Give him $50 million for the three arb years and they've got his free agent years for 2/58 with a 23 million team option. There's also unknown escalators.
Mehhh, I think I'd rather go year to year and save a lot of money if he's a disappointment. It's not that hard to come out ahead, but to profit a lot on this deal he pretty much has to be a serious Hall of Fame candidate.
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Post by manfred on Mar 11, 2023 17:19:14 GMT -5
Take out the pre-arb years and it's 5/108. Give him $50 million for the three arb years and they've got his free agent years for 2/58 with a 23 million team option. There's also unknown escalators. Mehhh, I think I'd rather go year to year and save a lot of money if he's a disappointment. It's not that hard to come out ahead, but to profit a lot on this deal he pretty much has to be a serious Hall of Fame candidate. But it might be profitable to show commitment to the fans. This guy becomes the face of your club, a guy you tell dans you’ll build around. I mean, he still has to be a good player, but if he’s only good — not great — it might be a win for the franchise. I think a lot of fans (like me) love stability. It dramatically increases interest in the team.
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 11, 2023 17:25:46 GMT -5
Sort of sets the market for what a Casas deal might look like. I think I’d do like 8/85ish for him right now maybe. This Arizona deal doesn’t quite have as much upside as I’d want, and Carroll is a better prospect.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 11, 2023 17:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 11, 2023 17:48:28 GMT -5
Sort of sets the market for what a Casas deal might look like. I think I’d do like 8/85ish for him right now maybe. This Arizona deal doesn’t quite have as much upside as I’d want, and Carroll is a better prospect. I hope Bloom gives Casas something like 10 years 120 million or thereabouts. Casas sounds really interested in a long term deal and Bloom says they need to do thing like this, so I hope he gets on it. Casas is going to be a middle of the order type hitter for a long time if he stays reasonably healthy.
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 11, 2023 22:35:28 GMT -5
Sort of sets the market for what a Casas deal might look like. I think I’d do like 8/85ish for him right now maybe. This Arizona deal doesn’t quite have as much upside as I’d want, and Carroll is a better prospect. I hope Bloom gives Casas something like 10 years 120 million or thereabouts. Casas sounds really interested in a long term deal and Bloom says they need to do thing like this, so I hope he gets on it. Casas is going to be a middle of the order type hitter for a long time if he stays reasonably healthy. I personally would definitely do that, but I’m not sure Casas would take it he seems pretty assured of himself
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 13, 2023 14:43:06 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 16, 2023 8:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 16, 2023 15:44:55 GMT -5
Tough spring for top pitching prospects.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 16, 2023 15:50:42 GMT -5
No one wants to credit the Red Sox for drafting Mayer because he "fell into their lap," but that was only after he bounced right off the Tigers' lap while they were grabbing a high school pitcher instead.
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Post by bosox904 on Mar 16, 2023 16:17:43 GMT -5
No one wants to credit the Red Sox for drafting Mayer because he "fell into their lap," but that was only after he bounced right off the Tigers' lap while they were grabbing a high school pitcher instead. If I remember correctly, I thought I had read they didn't see Mayer falling to them and made a deal with Jobe before the draft and didn't want to back out.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 16, 2023 19:42:45 GMT -5
No one wants to credit the Red Sox for drafting Mayer because he "fell into their lap," but that was only after he bounced right off the Tigers' lap while they were grabbing a high school pitcher instead. I think if the Tigers had grabbed Mayer the Sox probably would have drafted Jordan Lawlar, but then again who knows? Just an opinion. I think if that had been case the Sox would have done very well. I was just surprised that evening when the Tigers bypassed Mayer for a high school arm.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 16, 2023 22:25:01 GMT -5
No one wants to credit the Red Sox for drafting Mayer because he "fell into their lap," but that was only after he bounced right off the Tigers' lap while they were grabbing a high school pitcher instead. If I remember correctly, I thought I had read they didn't see Mayer falling to them and made a deal with Jobe before the draft and didn't want to back out. Yeah that's what I recall too, and it's commendable in a way, but again it's a situation the Red Sox managed not to create for themselves.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 16, 2023 22:34:34 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 17, 2023 17:57:33 GMT -5
Tough spring for top pitching prospects. I would not use premium picks on Pitchers tbh. Maybe bottom of the 1st I’d consider them.
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Post by bosox904 on Mar 18, 2023 8:09:10 GMT -5
Tough spring for top pitching prospects. I would not use premium picks on Pitchers tbh. Maybe bottom of the 1st I’d consider them. And the Rangers did it in back to back years, with neither looking good so far.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 19, 2023 14:06:22 GMT -5
Profar settled for 1/8 from the Rockies
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