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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 25, 2024 18:21:33 GMT -5
I have trouble believing that multi-billion-dollar organizations are getting snookered by those wily agents and their scrappy kids. I can't help but think that the teams are in on it exactly as long they want to be; playing along or blowing the whistle where they think it's to their advantage. I think you're assuming that record keeping in other countries is as good as it is in the U.S. It's not.
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Post by 0ap0 on Jan 25, 2024 19:55:09 GMT -5
I have trouble believing that multi-billion-dollar organizations are getting snookered by those wily agents and their scrappy kids. I can't help but think that the teams are in on it exactly as long they want to be; playing along or blowing the whistle where they think it's to their advantage. I think you're assuming that record keeping in other countries is as good as it is in the U.S. It's not. I'm assuming no such thing. That these cases are sometimes litigated means that there are records and ages are not unknowable. I maintain my belief that when the teams feel it's in their interest to have the correct answer they can get it, and when it suits them to go along with whatever the current story is they'll do that instead.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jan 25, 2024 19:59:29 GMT -5
I think you're assuming that record keeping in other countries is as good as it is in the U.S. It's not. I'm assuming no such thing. That these cases are sometimes litigated means that there are records and ages are not unknowable. I maintain my belief that when the teams feel it's in their interest to have the correct answer they can get it, and when it suits them to go along with whatever the current story is they'll do that instead. They sign a kid they believe is 16 to a large contract because he exhibits some pretty special tools for that age. They're shown what appear to be official birth records. But it makes no sens that they're in on it. What is there to be in on? Now they realize they paid for an 18 yr old kid where the tools aren't so special at his age. Makes zero sense.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 25, 2024 20:39:55 GMT -5
I think you're assuming that record keeping in other countries is as good as it is in the U.S. It's not. I'm assuming no such thing. That these cases are sometimes litigated means that there are records and ages are not unknowable. I maintain my belief that when the teams feel it's in their interest to have the correct answer they can get it, and when it suits them to go along with whatever the current story is they'll do that instead. The Sox lost international signings in the past. That msg couldn't have been lost on other teams. The idea that everyone signs anything that comes across the desk isn't one that makes much sense in that environment. MLB bothered to institute an International draft. They'd be foolish to allow deceit to go unchecked. That's why the signings are being pulled back because of vigilance and cross checking I believe.
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 25, 2024 20:56:49 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 25, 2024 21:07:44 GMT -5
www.espn.com/mlb/columns/stark_jayson/1339359.htmlI found Jayson Stark's column on the original post- 9/11 fake birth certificate crackdown. I didn't remember that Bartolo Colon was one. Here is a 1999 article on Beltre's story breaking: www.cbsnews.com/news/la-lied-about-beltres-age/. I remembered that he was actually younger than people thought. I didn't remember that Scott Boras was the one to go public because he thought it might let him get Beltre declared a free agent after his excellent rookie season.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jan 25, 2024 21:16:02 GMT -5
Wonder how many kids who are 15 lie about their age to say they are 16 only for the team to cut them after a few years of poor performances in the DSL when they are 1 or 2 years younger than counterparts.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 27, 2024 11:38:06 GMT -5
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jan 27, 2024 13:01:54 GMT -5
I can understand a 21 year old trying to pass off as being 18, but 14 is insane haha.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jan 27, 2024 13:09:01 GMT -5
Also Soxprospects team, is there any way the international sign list could include the players birthday?
I'd be great to be able to easily track the international signing performance by age.
Y'all are the best.
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Post by nelledouville on Jan 27, 2024 13:36:53 GMT -5
Question. If a team learns a birthdate is incorrect and negates their agreement or understanding with that player, is the team obligated to report it to Major League Baseball?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 27, 2024 13:41:44 GMT -5
Question. If a team learns a birthdate is incorrect and negates their agreement or understanding with that player, is the team obligated to report it to Major League Baseball? I don’t know about “obligated” but MLB is the one doing the investigations so they are informed. If a team learns of discrepancies first they inform MLB.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jan 27, 2024 13:42:14 GMT -5
Question. If a team learns a birthdate is incorrect and negates their agreement or understanding with that player, is the team obligated to report it to Major League Baseball? If the contract is signed, yes because MLB needs to be involved. If the contract is not signed, teams don't need to alert the MLB, but every other team would know something is up with the player.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 27, 2024 15:15:17 GMT -5
I feel like I wouldn't want to be that team that agreed with a dude found out he was lying about their age and then stepped aside and let another team sign them.
Gamesmanship aside that should just be a rule in the MLB. If some dudes lying about their age everyone should know.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 28, 2024 11:34:54 GMT -5
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Post by stevedillard on Jan 28, 2024 11:50:43 GMT -5
I feel like I wouldn't want to be that team that agreed with a dude found out he was lying about their age and then stepped aside and let another team sign them. Gamesmanship aside that should just be a rule in the MLB. If some dudes lying about their age everyone should know. The Carlos Martínez factor Originally signed by the Red Sox as an international free agent in 2009, MLB voided his contract due to discrepancies over his name and date of birth after the revelation that he was also known as Carlos Matias. However, he was eventually cleared of wrongdoing, as it was found that the inconsistencies arose from poor record keeping.[1]
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jan 28, 2024 12:31:56 GMT -5
I feel like I wouldn't want to be that team that agreed with a dude found out he was lying about their age and then stepped aside and let another team sign them. Gamesmanship aside that should just be a rule in the MLB. If some dudes lying about their age everyone should know. The Carlos Martínez factor Originally signed by the Red Sox as an international free agent in 2009, MLB voided his contract due to discrepancies over his name and date of birth after the revelation that he was also known as Carlos Matias. However, he was eventually cleared of wrongdoing, as it was found that the inconsistencies arose from poor record keeping.[1] didn't work out too bad for the Cardinals.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 28, 2024 13:14:36 GMT -5
5'10 147 lbs catcher. Go get them tiger!
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 29, 2024 0:07:42 GMT -5
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Post by lennsakata on Jan 29, 2024 10:43:59 GMT -5
I saw Shnaider Rojas ($175k) had no height/weight listed in his profile. I found some video of him, looks pretty tiny but looks like he's got some explosive life on the fastball. Not sure the level of competition or what not and its a small sample, not great video, etc but ball gets on these batters pretty quickly. http://instagram.com/p/CZNLyruJ1tO According to Google Translation it says: "Shnaider Rojas, class of 2023 prospect who left a great impression from the mound with his speed and control on pitches" The #Ultraviolento has me hoping he goes around in a derby hat and the clockwork orange get-up....but probably not.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 6, 2024 17:59:14 GMT -5
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Post by wOBA Fett on Feb 6, 2024 20:33:30 GMT -5
Many teams recently learned a player they were either interested in, or had reached a verbal agreement with, was older than previously believed, according to people briefed on specifics who were not authorized to speak publicly. Those teams included the Houston Astros, Kansas City Royals, Minnesota Twins, New York Mets, and Oakland A’s, all of whom declined to comment Interesting the bolded teams were able to find replacements in such short order.
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 17, 2024 21:48:18 GMT -5
Padres got something up their sleeve
They traded for $250k in international bonus pool money on Wednesday and $500k today. The first one cost them a 22 y/o who has yet to get out of the DSL, and the second one cost them a HS pitcher they gave $500k to in the last draft. AJ Preller must have been excited about how easy it was going to be to get the money after the first trade.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 21, 2024 15:29:44 GMT -5
With the IFA page updated, the Red Sox now have 15 $100k+ signees this period (Edwin Darville's bonus amount updated). They had 8 such signees last period. www.soxprospects.com/international.htm
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Post by vmoss on Feb 21, 2024 16:47:48 GMT -5
Notice 3 100k pitcher. Is there much info on the lower bonus 2 pitchers and most of the 15 100k signings besides the top few?
Thanks.
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