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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 28, 2023 20:40:47 GMT -5
Forgot about the Red Sox because of the disappointment known as the Boston Bruins. I see Kutter was good for 4 innings. Still don't understand why he's not in the rotation. Whitlock to the IL, is this related to him being a starter at all? I'm becoming less enthralled with him in the rotation, but he's a guy you give a long leash to. Houck does nothing for me in the rotation. Pivetta is exactly what he is. Some good, some bad. Mediocre ERA but makes all of his starts. I'd look at trading him.
The rotation is exactly why this is not a playoff team. Bullpen is sneaky good whet Ort and Brasier aren't pitching.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 28, 2023 20:42:01 GMT -5
Bruins literally waited for me to rant to tie things up, figures.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Apr 28, 2023 20:42:53 GMT -5
Very winnable game pissed away with terrible situational hitting.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 28, 2023 20:51:41 GMT -5
I hate losing to sub-.500 teams.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 28, 2023 21:22:27 GMT -5
Jarren two-bags (3/4, 3 doubles today, 8 total already) needs to be batting 5th.
I have no clue why the Sox claimed Garza.
Tapia's days are numbered (a low number)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 28, 2023 21:29:30 GMT -5
The Red Sox are in 5th place among 5 teams in their division, or in first place if you turn the AL East standings upside down, sporting a .481 winning percentage. Where have I seen this before?!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 28, 2023 21:30:50 GMT -5
I hate losing to sub-.500 teams. Well, now we are a sub-.500 team. Looking at the standings, we are now the 6th poorest team, record-wise.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 28, 2023 21:31:12 GMT -5
I hate losing to sub-.500 teams. If it's any consolation....they're no longer sub-.500 Nope, the Sox are now sub .500.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 28, 2023 21:36:26 GMT -5
The Judgeless Yankees (hip, MRI) lost.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 28, 2023 21:43:50 GMT -5
Red Sox starters now 6.44 ERA. This is big trouble - Sale (highly erratic), Kluber (is he finally fixed?), Houck (who the team seems to want in the pen), Pivetta (as Cora said tonight, has trouble finishing off hitters), Bello (suddenly back up after...) Whitlock injured. Paxton is not ready. Is it Kutter time?
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Post by cheers on Apr 28, 2023 22:48:54 GMT -5
Red Sox starters now 6.44 ERA. This is big trouble - Sale (highly erratic), Kluber (is he finally fixed?), Houck (who the team seems to want in the pen), Pivetta (as Cora said tonight, has trouble finishing off hitters), Bello (suddenly back up after...) Whitlock injured. Paxton is not ready. Is it Kutter time? This shouldn't be a huge surprise to anybody. Nobody in the Sox pile of starters (due to injury, age, or lack of talent) could possibly be projected to be better than a #4 this season, unless you are prone to wild fits of homerism/optimism. Kutter has earned a shot, IMO. Going into 2023, I would have thought that to be a near-zero possibility outcome. Hugely pleasant surprise so far.
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Post by cheers on Apr 28, 2023 23:07:36 GMT -5
I hope he can improve his D because Valdez can really hit I think his D might really be that catastrophically bad, but I'm pretty sure his MLB hitting numbers may be a master class in SSS bias.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 28, 2023 23:11:49 GMT -5
Forgot about the Red Sox because of the disappointment known as the Boston Bruins. I see Kutter was good for 4 innings. Still don't understand why he's not in the rotation. Whitlock to the IL, is this related to him being a starter at all? I'm becoming less enthralled with him in the rotation, but he's a guy you give a long leash to. Houck does nothing for me in the rotation. Pivetta is exactly what he is. Some good, some bad. Mediocre ERA but makes all of his starts. I'd look at trading him. The rotation is exactly why this is not a playoff team. Bullpen is sneaky good whet Ort and Brasier aren't pitching. Honestly he’s not in the rotation because he’s saving Cora from burning the pen seeing every starter has trouble getting past the 5th inning. I think he’s far more valuable in this role right now than being in the rotation.
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Post by manfred on Apr 28, 2023 23:43:52 GMT -5
Am I correct that the Sox have not been more than a game over .500 this year?
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Post by cheers on Apr 28, 2023 23:47:19 GMT -5
Am I correct that the Sox have not been more than a game over .500 this year? Si.
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Post by briam on Apr 29, 2023 7:16:44 GMT -5
Devers needs a day, his ABs have been brutal and he’s chasing everything.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 29, 2023 7:32:49 GMT -5
Am I correct that the Sox have not been more than a game over .500 this year? Ouí. Sí. Ja. はい. Hei. Yes.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Apr 29, 2023 7:34:45 GMT -5
Raffy’s having quite the interesting season so far. Huge ISO and SLG, a career-low walk rate and terrible chase rate (though not that far off career norms), and elite (95th percentile) OAA.
If he can reset and start laying off *just a bit*, he could unlock a new level with that power output and defense. I’m optimistic.
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Post by art on Apr 29, 2023 8:46:51 GMT -5
Cleveland's shoddy offense meets Pivetta's shoddy pitching Resistible force meets movable object.
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Post by art on Apr 29, 2023 8:52:47 GMT -5
Casas being up instead of Duran feels criminal There is absolutely zero reason for Duran to be batting behind Casas in this lineup. None whatsoever!
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Post by incandenza on Apr 29, 2023 8:53:16 GMT -5
This shouldn't be a huge surprise to anybody. Nobody in the Sox pile of starters (due to injury, age, or lack of talent) could possibly be projected to be better than a #4 this season, unless you are prone to wild fits of homerism/optimism. Kutter has earned a shot, IMO. Going into 2023, I would have thought that to be a near-zero possibility outcome. Hugely pleasant surprise so far. I think it's time to start thinking about trades. The "depth" of #4 starters isn't really working, I think they should consolidate some of these guys into more of a sure-fire starter. I had mentioned Cease from the White Sox in another thread, think they should look at him or someone else. No one's gonna trade a 1/2/3 starter this far from the deadline without asking for a ransom, and it's not obvious at this point in the season that the Red Sox should be buyers.
Also it's way too early to give up on the guys they already have. Whitlock and Bello have scarcely gotten a chance; Sale could rebound; Kluber could rebound; Paxton hasn't even debuted yet; Crawford could be given some run as a starter.
So far the starters have approached their worst plausible outcome in every case, which is annoying, but not *that* predictive I don't think. And they have a 4.42 xFIP despite the 6.44 ERA, which is not great by any means, but it suggests there's not an enormous chasm between their underlying performance and their being actually decent.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 29, 2023 9:18:27 GMT -5
Hey look, Matt Strahm is pulling a Jeffrey Springs in Philly and has a 2.42 ERA with 12.5 K/9.
Apparently he asked for a chance to start after the 2022 season but the Sox said no and let him go.
Once is an outlier. Twice? Maaaaaaybe a coincidence.
Of course, I don't believe in coincidences, but that's just me.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 29, 2023 9:38:34 GMT -5
Red Sox starters now 6.44 ERA. This is big trouble - Sale (highly erratic), Kluber (is he finally fixed?), Houck (who the team seems to want in the pen), Pivetta (as Cora said tonight, has trouble finishing off hitters), Bello (suddenly back up after...) Whitlock injured. Paxton is not ready. Is it Kutter time? This shouldn't be a huge surprise to anybody. Nobody in the Sox pile of starters (due to injury, age, or lack of talent) could possibly be projected to be better than a #4 this season, unless you are prone to wild fits of homerism/optimism. Kutter has earned a shot, IMO. Going into 2023, I would have thought that to be a near-zero possibility outcome. Hugely pleasant surprise so far. Fans sometimes convince themselves that a collection of mediocrity is great depth. The Red Sox started the season with a lot of guys capable of starting in the strictest definition of "capable." Too many of them carried big question marks, or worse. It was reasonable to expect that Sale and Paxton wouldn't contribute anything and to be skeptical of Kluber. For them to compete in 2025, which is the year I am looking toward, they're going to need real firepower at the top of the rotation. Perhaps they can get that with some of money they have coming off the books the next two years or maybe they can develop it. Bello has potential and I still like Whitlock, though the constant injuries are a big issue.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 29, 2023 9:44:06 GMT -5
Hey look, Matt Strahm is pulling a Jeffrey Springs in Philly and has a 2.42 ERA with 12.5 K/9. Apparently he asked for a chance to start after the 2022 season but the Sox said no and let him go. Once is an outlier. Twice? Maaaaaaybe a coincidence. Of course, I don't believe in coincidences, but that's just me. I have to say, it's literally insane to not believe in coincidences. Somewhere on the paranoid-schizophrenic spectrum... But to the substantive point, Bloom has acknowledged that they gave up on Springs too quickly. But with Strahm? He was a pretty decent reliever. But somehow he's much better as a starter? That never happens. I don't believe Philly even expected him to be in that role. And I don't recall anyone here wishing they had kept him on a 2/14 deal. To this point my guess is this is a small sample run of success. And notably, to date all his starts have been against offenses in the bottom third of the league (NYY/MIA/CIN/COL/SEA). But we'll see.
It's also kind of ambiguous what to make of the fact that they've taken shots at guys who they thought might be undervalued - who then went on to have breakouts the year after they left Boston. I'm thinking of Springs, Perez, and now maybe Strahm. Is it a sign that their talent evaluation is better or worse that they brought these sort of guys into the fold? If they had never seen enough in them to sign them in the first place, you wouldn't be complaining now, right?
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Post by cheers on Apr 29, 2023 10:37:42 GMT -5
Bieber is really good. Also think Casas could maybe use some AAA time to reset his approach. You are the beneficiary of a slow thread day. Normally even thinking that Casas needs some time in AAA makes the denizens of the board really upset...
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