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5/19-5/21 Red Sox @ Padres Series Thread
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on May 19, 2023 7:23:41 GMT -5
My wishlist for this series: 1) 2 wins 2) standing O for Xander 3) no injuries 3) Machado booed and/or plunked A) Where do you think this series is? B) Machado is hurt
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Post by Guidas on May 19, 2023 7:31:00 GMT -5
Speier says we sent the A's $75,000 for Pablo Reyes I get they're a God awful team and it's not like Reyes is any special player but that's just absurd to take 75K for him if you ask me. What a crummy franchise. You would think MLB would have a provision to get rid of crap owners. Now this moron is moving the team to Las Vegas, one of the smaller media markets in the country that also has significant competition for entertainment dollars. This will hurt the team and baseball. The move should be blocked by the ownership committee. If they want the As to stay in the west then there are plenty of better choices. If not, they should move them to Nashville, Charlotte or Raleigh-Durham and get rid of divisions starting when that stadium is ready. Just go to AL NL and best 6 teams make the playoffs. OK, now that I've fixed that, I'll move on to this inflation nonsense! God, I love what a simple 300 mg shot of caffeine does to my body!
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Post by incandenza on May 19, 2023 7:57:25 GMT -5
I dont see the Sox spending the 500 plus million it would take to sign Ohtani, though. Nor am I that sure the Sox are just waiting until the winter of 2025/26 to strike. Devers is only huge signing theyve done and I dont know how much of that was the pressure on them to sign him after losing X and Betts in the past few years. I'm trying to remember but the last huge ticket item theyve spent on from outside the organization is perhaps JD Martinez if $110 million qualifies and if he doesnt then David Price certainly would qualify.I think with Devers there was that external pressure but also Devers was willing to take a contact that only paid him thru age 36. A lot of these big ticket guys want huge money through ages 39, 40, or 41, and they're getting them. If Devers got to the market, somebody else would have paid him until he's about 40. Do the Sox want to pay Ohtani until he's 40? I'm skeptical about that, but some team definitely will bite that bullet. That's the kind of thing that's happening in the free agent market these days that I think the Sox are adverse to. Not saying they're wrong to feel that way, but if they're not willing to do that, its hard to see them landing the top shelf talent in free agency. Evidence suggests it will forever be impossible to dislodge this narrative. Nevertheless...
2023: Devers ($300 million+ extension) 2022: Story ($140 million) 2020: Sale ($145 million; extension signed a year earlier) 2020: Bogaerts ($120 million extension)
2018: JDM ($110 million) 2016: Price ($217 million)
They have a track record of adding a 9-figure contract every year and a half or so; or every 2-3 years if you're just looking at free agents from outside the organization.
I also think that it makes a lot of sense to spend big on a pitcher, specifically, next offseason (Nola? Urias?). I do think you're right that they'll avoid contracts that run through age 40 or whatever. But if they don't sign another top tier free agent by 2025/6 they will have changed their MO.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 19, 2023 8:07:10 GMT -5
I dont see the Sox spending the 500 plus million it would take to sign Ohtani, though. Nor am I that sure the Sox are just waiting until the winter of 2025/26 to strike. Devers is only huge signing theyve done and I dont know how much of that was the pressure on them to sign him after losing X and Betts in the past few years. I'm trying to remember but the last huge ticket item theyve spent on from outside the organization is perhaps JD Martinez if $110 million qualifies and if he doesnt then David Price certainly would qualify.I think with Devers there was that external pressure but also Devers was willing to take a contact that only paid him thru age 36. A lot of these big ticket guys want huge money through ages 39, 40, or 41, and they're getting them. If Devers got to the market, somebody else would have paid him until he's about 40. Do the Sox want to pay Ohtani until he's 40? I'm skeptical about that, but some team definitely will bite that bullet. That's the kind of thing that's happening in the free agent market these days that I think the Sox are adverse to. Not saying they're wrong to feel that way, but if they're not willing to do that, its hard to see them landing the top shelf talent in free agency. Evidence suggests it will forever be impossible to dislodge this narrative. Nevertheless...
2023: Devers ($300 million+ extension) 2022: Story ($140 million) 2020: Sale ($145 million; extension signed a year earlier) 2020: Bogaerts ($120 million extension)
2018: JDM ($110 million) 2016: Price ($217 million)
They have a track record of adding a 9-figure contract every year and a half or so; or every 2-3 years if you're just looking at free agents from outside the organization.
I also think that it makes a lot of sense to spend big on a pitcher, specifically, next offseason (Nola? Urias?). I do think you're right that they'll avoid contracts that run through age 40 or whatever. But if they don't sign another top tier free agent by 2025/6 they will have changed their MO.
I'm not going to predict a Urias signing but he would seem to be the type of big $ player that would fit the organization's aversion to paying players into their late 30s-40s. He'll only be 27 this offseason so they could give him a nice fat long term deal without having to take him into his upper 30s. If they want to spend big on one player this offseason I would certainly expect it to be on one of the pitchers since I don't see any position player FAs being worth a big bag of money other than Ohtani but he's a unicorn and he's not really a position player since he's a DH/P.
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Post by manfred on May 19, 2023 8:08:19 GMT -5
My wishlist for this series: 1) 2 wins 2) standing O for Xander 3) no injuries 3) Machado booed and/or plunked A) Where do you think this series is? B) Machado is hurt See? Should have kept Brasier… he could throw a *really* wild one in the dugout.
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Post by incandenza on May 19, 2023 8:47:43 GMT -5
Evidence suggests it will forever be impossible to dislodge this narrative. Nevertheless...
2023: Devers ($300 million+ extension) 2022: Story ($140 million) 2020: Sale ($145 million; extension signed a year earlier) 2020: Bogaerts ($120 million extension)
2018: JDM ($110 million) 2016: Price ($217 million)
They have a track record of adding a 9-figure contract every year and a half or so; or every 2-3 years if you're just looking at free agents from outside the organization.
I also think that it makes a lot of sense to spend big on a pitcher, specifically, next offseason (Nola? Urias?). I do think you're right that they'll avoid contracts that run through age 40 or whatever. But if they don't sign another top tier free agent by 2025/6 they will have changed their MO.
I'm not going to predict a Urias signing but he would seem to be the type of big $ player that would fit the organization's aversion to paying players into their late 30s-40s. He'll only be 27 this offseason so they could give him a nice fat long term deal without having to take him into his upper 30s. If they want to spend big on one player this offseason I would certainly expect it to be on one of the pitchers since I don't see any position player FAs being worth a big bag of money other than Ohtani but he's a unicorn and he's not really a position player since he's a DH/P. I wouldn't predict an Urias signing, but I would predict a Nola, Urias, Giolito, Montgomery, or Mahle signing. Plus maybe a Paxton or an Eflin type. Rotation of Sale/Urias-tier/Paxton-tier/Bello/Whitlock/Crawford/Drohan. Pretty intriguing.
Oh well. Getting a little ahead of ourselves...
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Post by ematz1423 on May 19, 2023 8:54:18 GMT -5
I'm not going to predict a Urias signing but he would seem to be the type of big $ player that would fit the organization's aversion to paying players into their late 30s-40s. He'll only be 27 this offseason so they could give him a nice fat long term deal without having to take him into his upper 30s. If they want to spend big on one player this offseason I would certainly expect it to be on one of the pitchers since I don't see any position player FAs being worth a big bag of money other than Ohtani but he's a unicorn and he's not really a position player since he's a DH/P. I wouldn't predict an Urias signing, but I would predict a Nola, Urias, Giolito, Montgomery, or Mahle signing. Plus maybe a Paxton or an Eflin type. Rotation of Sale/Urias-tier/Paxton-tier/Bello/Whitlock/Crawford/Drohan. Pretty intriguing.
Oh well. Getting a little ahead of ourselves...
Mahle just had TJ so not sure he's much of an answer to the rotation, perhaps on a similar deal to Paxton where they basically know he's not going to be pitching much if at all in year one but as you said probably getting ahead of ourselves here. Even though I kind of just made an offseason prediction, it's probably too early to start with them since they're looking like a competitive club which let's hope that continues and there's no need to start thinking about the offseason until the season is over.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 19, 2023 10:39:16 GMT -5
Fun!
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Post by yuchangclan on May 19, 2023 11:37:24 GMT -5
Not going to disagree with any of that, if they had Xandy right now they'd be arguably the best offense in baseball? I guess they are right in there anyway but he'd help them even that much more. I'd probably have been fine giving X 7 years 210M since I'd love to have Xandy for the next 3-4 years and could have lived with what possibly an under water contract for years 5-7. Under no circumstance would I really want Xander for the years 8-11 that the Padres gave him which I know a year or two of that was to keep AAV down but I can't see him being an ML caliber player at all during those seasons. It's kind of a complicated counterfactual... For one thing, it would mean no Duvall. And Kiké in CF. And therefore fewer PAs to this point for Duran, though Duran might be knocking the door down in AAA, and/or coming up when Kiké goes to 2B to cover for an injured Arroyo?
I would think it would also mean no Jansen, since they wouldn't have the money to spend on him. (I get the impression they signed Jansen ~12 seconds after they realized they were out of the running for Bogaerts.)
And... is it possible it would mean no Devers extension? I don't think so - I think that was gonna happen regardless - but I'm not 100% sure.
Interesting hypothetical. I think the Devers contract was a knee-jerk reaction to losing X and probably would NOT have gotten done if they had signed Xander. After everyone freaked out and called the Sox cheap, they signed Devers right away to save some face. Maybe things worked out for the best.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 19, 2023 11:37:36 GMT -5
I dont see the Sox spending the 500 plus million it would take to sign Ohtani, though. Nor am I that sure the Sox are just waiting until the winter of 2025/26 to strike. Devers is only huge signing theyve done and I dont know how much of that was the pressure on them to sign him after losing X and Betts in the past few years. I'm trying to remember but the last huge ticket item theyve spent on from outside the organization is perhaps JD Martinez if $110 million qualifies and if he doesnt then David Price certainly would qualify.I think with Devers there was that external pressure but also Devers was willing to take a contact that only paid him thru age 36. A lot of these big ticket guys want huge money through ages 39, 40, or 41, and they're getting them. If Devers got to the market, somebody else would have paid him until he's about 40. Do the Sox want to pay Ohtani until he's 40? I'm skeptical about that, but some team definitely will bite that bullet. That's the kind of thing that's happening in the free agent market these days that I think the Sox are adverse to. Not saying they're wrong to feel that way, but if they're not willing to do that, its hard to see them landing the top shelf talent in free agency. Evidence suggests it will forever be impossible to dislodge this narrative. Nevertheless... 2023: Devers ($300 million+ extension) 2022: Story ($140 million) 2020: Sale ($145 million; extension signed a year earlier) 2020: Bogaerts ($120 million extension)
2018: JDM ($110 million) 2016: Price ($217 million) They have a track record of adding a 9-figure contract every year and a half or so; or every 2-3 years if you're just looking at free agents from outside the organization. I also think that it makes a lot of sense to spend big on a pitcher, specifically, next offseason (Nola? Urias?). I do think you're right that they'll avoid contracts that run through age 40 or whatever. But if they don't sign another top tier free agent by 2025/6 they will have changed their MO.
Its not a narrative. You cited Trevor Story. Is that really a huge contract at the time it was made? I dont feel like it was. It is certainly not some 10 year 300 million dollar deal. It wasn't even 200 million. 200 million was rather large at the time David Price signed. I wouldnt classify Sale or Bogaert's extension as huge contracts either. It depends on one's definition but to me I would say take Manny's deal and Trevor Story's or even Dansby Swanson's deal. For me Mannys would be the huge contract given the context of the market at its time. Swanson and Story wouldnt fit that criteria. Devers certainly would. I stand by my statement that the last huge deal the Sox made prior to Devers was David Price, and before him probably Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford.
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Post by incandenza on May 19, 2023 12:20:36 GMT -5
Evidence suggests it will forever be impossible to dislodge this narrative. Nevertheless... 2023: Devers ($300 million+ extension) 2022: Story ($140 million) 2020: Sale ($145 million; extension signed a year earlier) 2020: Bogaerts ($120 million extension)
2018: JDM ($110 million) 2016: Price ($217 million) They have a track record of adding a 9-figure contract every year and a half or so; or every 2-3 years if you're just looking at free agents from outside the organization. I also think that it makes a lot of sense to spend big on a pitcher, specifically, next offseason (Nola? Urias?). I do think you're right that they'll avoid contracts that run through age 40 or whatever. But if they don't sign another top tier free agent by 2025/6 they will have changed their MO.
Its not a narrative. You cited Trevor Story. Is that really a huge contract at the time it was made? I dont feel like it was. It is certainly not some 10 year 300 million dollar deal. It wasn't even 200 million.200 million was rather large at the time David Price signed. I wouldnt classify Sale or Bogaert's extension as huge contracts either. It depends on one's definition but to me I would say take Manny's deal and Trevor Story's or even Dansby Swanson's deal. For me Mannys would be the huge contract given the context of the market at its time. Swanson and Story wouldnt fit that criteria. Devers certainly would. I stand by my statement that the last huge deal the Sox made prior to Devers was David Price, and before him probably Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford. I don't know man, it was the fifth largest free agent signing of that class. In your own comment JDM counted as a "huge ticket signing" and Story got a bigger deal than him, as did Sale and even Bogaerts, so I'm having trouble following what your standard is.
The original claim you made was that "its hard to see them landing the top shelf talent in free agency." Now that you've set the bar at, I guess, $200 million, you can say they've only signed one extension and one free agent at that level in the last 7 years. How many teams outside of New York can claim more than that? In fact technically the Mets haven't even done this; they only have one $200 million+ contract on the books. I think it's just the Yankees and Padres.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 19, 2023 12:29:15 GMT -5
Its not a narrative. You cited Trevor Story. Is that really a huge contract at the time it was made? I dont feel like it was. It is certainly not some 10 year 300 million dollar deal. It wasn't even 200 million.200 million was rather large at the time David Price signed. I wouldnt classify Sale or Bogaert's extension as huge contracts either. It depends on one's definition but to me I would say take Manny's deal and Trevor Story's or even Dansby Swanson's deal. For me Mannys would be the huge contract given the context of the market at its time. Swanson and Story wouldnt fit that criteria. Devers certainly would. I stand by my statement that the last huge deal the Sox made prior to Devers was David Price, and before him probably Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford. I don't know man, it was the fifth largest free agent signing of that class. In your own comment JDM counted as a "huge ticket signing" and Story got a bigger deal than him, as did Sale and even Bogaerts, so I'm having trouble following what your standard is.
The original claim you made was that "its hard to see them landing the top shelf talent in free agency." Now that you've set the bar at, I guess, $200 million, you can say they've only signed one extension and one free agent at that level in the last 7 years. How many teams outside of New York can claim more than that? In fact technically the Mets haven't even done this; they only have one $200 million+ contract on the books. I think it's just the Yankees and Padres.
I agree with your point that most teams in the league seem averse to these types of deals but depending on the criteria one wants to use don't forget about the Rangers with Seager/Semien and certainly the Phillies with Harper and Turner. Edit: I see that Semien signed for $175 over 7 years so if $200+Mil is the barometer then they wouldn't be in the multiple 200+M contracts signed recently pool. Double Edit: I was curious so I went and looked a little deeper and the Angels also have multiple 200+Mil contracts in Trout and Rendon. Not a team I'd want to be emulating by any means.
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Post by yuchangclan on May 19, 2023 12:41:20 GMT -5
I dont see the Sox spending the 500 plus million it would take to sign Ohtani, though. Nor am I that sure the Sox are just waiting until the winter of 2025/26 to strike. Devers is only huge signing theyve done and I dont know how much of that was the pressure on them to sign him after losing X and Betts in the past few years. I'm trying to remember but the last huge ticket item theyve spent on from outside the organization is perhaps JD Martinez if $110 million qualifies and if he doesnt then David Price certainly would qualify.I think with Devers there was that external pressure but also Devers was willing to take a contact that only paid him thru age 36. A lot of these big ticket guys want huge money through ages 39, 40, or 41, and they're getting them. If Devers got to the market, somebody else would have paid him until he's about 40. Do the Sox want to pay Ohtani until he's 40? I'm skeptical about that, but some team definitely will bite that bullet. That's the kind of thing that's happening in the free agent market these days that I think the Sox are adverse to. Not saying they're wrong to feel that way, but if they're not willing to do that, its hard to see them landing the top shelf talent in free agency. Evidence suggests it will forever be impossible to dislodge this narrative. Nevertheless...
2023: Devers ($300 million+ extension) 2022: Story ($140 million) 2020: Sale ($145 million; extension signed a year earlier) 2020: Bogaerts ($120 million extension)
2018: JDM ($110 million) 2016: Price ($217 million)
They have a track record of adding a 9-figure contract every year and a half or so; or every 2-3 years if you're just looking at free agents from outside the organization.
I also think that it makes a lot of sense to spend big on a pitcher, specifically, next offseason (Nola? Urias?). I do think you're right that they'll avoid contracts that run through age 40 or whatever. But if they don't sign another top tier free agent by 2025/6 they will have changed their MO.
Interesting list. We know the Xander and JDM contracts both turned out to get “A’s”. Price was mostly a disaster, but they don’t win it in 2018 without him. Is it possible that the Story deal will be worse than the Sale deal? Will it be the worst one on this list? Because I am getting that vibe as we’ve mostly lost 2 years of his prime on the front side of that deal.
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Post by incandenza on May 19, 2023 12:46:31 GMT -5
I don't know man, it was the fifth largest free agent signing of that class. In your own comment JDM counted as a "huge ticket signing" and Story got a bigger deal than him, as did Sale and even Bogaerts, so I'm having trouble following what your standard is.
The original claim you made was that "its hard to see them landing the top shelf talent in free agency." Now that you've set the bar at, I guess, $200 million, you can say they've only signed one extension and one free agent at that level in the last 7 years. How many teams outside of New York can claim more than that? In fact technically the Mets haven't even done this; they only have one $200 million+ contract on the books. I think it's just the Yankees and Padres.
I agree with your point that most teams in the league seem averse to these types of deals but depending on the criteria one wants to use don't forget about the Rangers with Seager/Semien and certainly the Phillies with Harper and Turner. Edit: I see that Semien signed for $175 over 7 years so if $200+Mil is the barometer then they wouldn't be in the multiple 200+M contracts signed recently pool. Double Edit: I was curious so I went and looked a little deeper and the Angels also have multiple 200+Mil contracts in Trout and Rendon. Not a team I'd want to be emulating by any means. This is true - the Phillies and Angels are such big spenders that they match the Red Sox' record of having two $200 million+ contracts since 2016, and the Rangers come close! As I say, I believe only the Yankees and Padrees can claim more than that.
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Post by yuchangclan on May 19, 2023 12:46:59 GMT -5
I get they're a God awful team and it's not like Reyes is any special player but that's just absurd to take 75K for him if you ask me. What a crummy franchise. You would think MLB would have a provision to get rid of crap owners. Now this moron is moving the team to Las Vegas, one of the smaller media markets in the country that also has significant competition for entertainment dollars. This will hurt the team and baseball. The move should be blocked by the ownership committee. If they want the As to stay in the west then there are plenty of better choices. If not, they should move them to Nashville, Charlotte or Raleigh-Durham and get rid of divisions starting when that stadium is ready. Just go to AL NL and best 6 teams make the playoffs. OK, now that I've fixed that, I'll move on to this inflation nonsense! God, I love what a simple 300 mg shot of caffeine does to my body! Not defending the awful A’s owenership, but I think your take on Vegas is way off. The A’s have just made themselves into the #1 baseball destination in the league. How many guys will make weekend trips based on seeing a couple games/playing golf/partying in Vegas that never would have considered a similar trip to Oakland? Can you imagine when the Yankees, Mets, Cubs, Sox or Dodgers blow into Vegas for a series? Vegas being the entertainment capital of the Country is exactly why this works so well. Every week you have tens of thousands of tourists in town for various conferences. This is an easy way to move tickets, as well. Just look how popular the hockey team has been. I think this is a huge win for MLB and the A’s franchise.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 19, 2023 12:48:17 GMT -5
David Price's deal was about a 15 win mistake. Trevor Story could blow out his elbow every offseason for the rest of his contract and he won't be a 15 win mistake.
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Post by incandenza on May 19, 2023 12:50:18 GMT -5
Evidence suggests it will forever be impossible to dislodge this narrative. Nevertheless...
2023: Devers ($300 million+ extension) 2022: Story ($140 million) 2020: Sale ($145 million; extension signed a year earlier) 2020: Bogaerts ($120 million extension)
2018: JDM ($110 million) 2016: Price ($217 million)
They have a track record of adding a 9-figure contract every year and a half or so; or every 2-3 years if you're just looking at free agents from outside the organization.
I also think that it makes a lot of sense to spend big on a pitcher, specifically, next offseason (Nola? Urias?). I do think you're right that they'll avoid contracts that run through age 40 or whatever. But if they don't sign another top tier free agent by 2025/6 they will have changed their MO.
Interesting list. We know the Xander and JDM contracts both turned out to get “A’s”. Price was mostly a disaster, but they don’t win it in 2018 without him. Is it possible that the Story deal will be worse than the Sale deal? Will it be the worst one on this list? Because I am getting that vibe as we’ve mostly lost 2 years of his prime on the front side of that deal. Story has already accumulated 2.4 WAR in 1+ season with 4+ seasons to go. Sale has accumulated 1.9 WAR in 3+ seasons with 1+ seasons to go.
Story was nearly worth his contract last season, and it's not impossible (though unlikely) he could be worth it this season. So far his contract doesn't look nearly as bad as Sale's.
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Post by orion09 on May 19, 2023 13:00:54 GMT -5
My wishlist for this series: 1) 2 wins 2) standing O for Xander 3) no injuries 3) Machado booed and/or plunked A) Where do you think this series is? B) Machado is hurt This is what happens when you post without coffee
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Post by manfred on May 19, 2023 13:03:55 GMT -5
David Price's deal was about a 15 win mistake. Trevor Story could blow out his elbow every offseason for the rest of his contract and he won't be a 15 win mistake. Price helped them win a ring. Story… we’ll see.
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Post by yuchangclan on May 19, 2023 13:04:41 GMT -5
David Price's deal was about a 15 win mistake. Trevor Story could blow out his elbow every offseason for the rest of his contract and he won't be a 15 win mistake. This is where the analytics meets the real world, though. On the one hand, it’s easy to hate the Price deal because it(theoretically) cost them Mookie(we won’t get into the Price deal being necessitated due to lowballing Lester). On the other hand, how many of those “15 wins” were offset by his contributions during the 2018 playoffs? He was amazing in the ALCS and WS that year. Do they win without him? Will Story ever make a similar postseason impact? This is not as easy as “WAR says….” It’s more nuanced than that. Also, didn’t the Dodgers pay a big chunk of his contract after the trade? Weren’t the Sox off the hook in 2020 when Price didn’t pitch at all?
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Post by manfred on May 19, 2023 13:07:27 GMT -5
Interesting list. We know the Xander and JDM contracts both turned out to get “A’s”. Price was mostly a disaster, but they don’t win it in 2018 without him. Is it possible that the Story deal will be worse than the Sale deal? Will it be the worst one on this list? Because I am getting that vibe as we’ve mostly lost 2 years of his prime on the front side of that deal. Story has already accumulated 2.4 WAR in 1+ season with 4+ seasons to go. Sale has accumulated 1.9 WAR in 3+ seasons with 1+ seasons to go.
Story was nearly worth his contract last season, and it's not impossible (though unlikely) he could be worth it this season. So far his contract doesn't look nearly as bad as Sale's.
Though Sale is likely their best starter this year. I don’t get why we don’t factor in how much being hurt damages the team. How is our SS play this year? That is because the money they have sunk in their SS is on the IL, so the patchwork they have waiting is a bust.
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Post by seamus on May 19, 2023 13:09:42 GMT -5
Sorry, I was responding to an out-of-date comment.
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Post by yuchangclan on May 19, 2023 13:11:21 GMT -5
Interesting list. We know the Xander and JDM contracts both turned out to get “A’s”. Price was mostly a disaster, but they don’t win it in 2018 without him. Is it possible that the Story deal will be worse than the Sale deal? Will it be the worst one on this list? Because I am getting that vibe as we’ve mostly lost 2 years of his prime on the front side of that deal. Story has already accumulated 2.4 WAR in 1+ season with 4+ seasons to go. Sale has accumulated 1.9 WAR in 3+ seasons with 1+ seasons to go.
Story was nearly worth his contract last season, and it's not impossible (though unlikely) he could be worth it this season. So far his contract doesn't look nearly as bad as Sale's.
I was really impressed with Story’s defense last season. I hadn’t seen much of him in the NL and he was better than I thought. But he also stuck out at a dizzying pace. He was much worse with the bat than I thought. Outside of a couple weeks where he turned into a monster, I felt it was mostly an empty experience for Story last year. I hope he can make a more meaningful impression with his bat when he returns this year. They definitely miss him on defense. I’m obviously quite skeptical overall about his deal.
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Post by incandenza on May 19, 2023 13:12:07 GMT -5
David Price's deal was about a 15 win mistake. Trevor Story could blow out his elbow every offseason for the rest of his contract and he won't be a 15 win mistake. This is where the analytics meets the real world, though. On the one hand, it’s easy to hate the Price deal because it(theoretically) cost them Mookie(we won’t get into the Price deal being necessitated due to lowballing Lester). On the other hand, how many of those “15 wins” were offset by his contributions during the 2018 playoffs? He was amazing in the ALCS and WS that year. Do they win without him? Will Story ever make a similar postseason impact? This is not as easy as “WAR says….” It’s more nuanced than that. Also, didn’t the Dodgers pay a big chunk of his contract after the trade? Weren’t the Sox off the hook in 2020 when Price didn’t pitch at all? Whatever amount of Price's salary the Dodgers paid, the return in the Mookie trade was smaller by that amount.
And for that same reason, the Dodgers were off the hook in 2020 for Price, but the Red Sox had already paid the price for half of his salary that season by lowering the return in the Mookie trade.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 19, 2023 13:18:17 GMT -5
Let's not forget Crawford and Beckett costing us Gonzalez.
The most annoying part of this ownership group is that they never seem to win a World Series. We deserve better, New York fans are lucky.
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