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Sox heavily scouting Yoshinobu Yamamoto
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Post by radiohix on Jul 11, 2023 14:26:14 GMT -5
Urias is almost as young as Yamamoto, and he's proven he can pitch at an elite level in MLB. That rich man will get richer this winter. Yamamoto is 2 years younger with a much cleaner injury history. I think this administration is reluctant to sign players in their late 20s, early 30s to long term deals, as they should quite frankly, but for a 25 year old ace who will certainly win his 3rd Sawamura (the Japanese Cy Young) in a row? I think they’ll be all in.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jul 11, 2023 17:04:40 GMT -5
First of all, I apologize for my slight jab at you earlier. I have a few points to make: 1. I think judging by Yoshida’s and Story’s contract, Chaim isn’t afraid to spend money, but he only spends it on players they really like. So if they really like Yamamoto, I can see them going all out, potentially to 200 mil. 2. The reason I think we will outbid other teams for Yamamoto (or any other FA starters), is because they can and probably will go over the luxury tax next season. We have about 50 mil to spend this offseason, and if you look at the team, the offense won’t change up much, other than the bench. So that leaves all that money for potentially 1-2 really good starters. 3. The reason the Mets and Padres have been bad, is because they don’t have good depth. The Red Sox’s depth on the other hand, is only going to get deeper, with multiple top prospects potentially being ready next year. Hell, we survived a first half when 5 shortstops and 4 starters got hurt, if that’s not good depth I don’t know what is. 4. I’m here to tell you, Yamamoto IS that .01 percent. Ignore all the physical stuff with Yamamoto, if I told you a guy has a sub-2 ERA over 818 innings in his career in a league better than AAA, you would think he’s the number 1 prospect in the game. Also, unlike Dice-K, Yamamoto wasn’t highly touted coming out of high school, meaning he didnt have the insane workload of a typical high school ace in Japan. He also didn’t pitch much early in his career, so his arm has much less workload on it compared to when Dice-K, Tanaka, or even Yu Darvish came over. 5. Other than Tanaka’s insane 2013 season before he came to MLB, Yamamoto has been better than all three of those Japanese legends. So he is less worn down and better than three of the best Japanese pitchers in history (compared to when they were 25 years old, of course) Now this is a good response, Story was a very very solid signing at 6 years 140. Still has yet to prove that but I think he was just like Teel in the draft. Needed a RHH middle infield was a a need and boom this guy signs for a very responsible price. 150+ deals are just so scary to me unless they are young home grown all stars. Bloom is the type of GM that puts a value on every player and that’s why we’re always interested because at the right price why not. That worked for Story and Masa. Again 5/6 year deal 18-23 mill. 8 years and 25 mill would blow me away from Bloom. Not saying it’s impossible but these 150+ mill dollar deals have a HORRIBLE track record. I prefer deals under 150 unless we’re talking Ohtani. If you want to cap your ceiling at good then you never take chances. If you want to be great then you have to take some hi reward hi risk chances occasionally. I'm speaking in general here, as I don't know enough about Yamamoto to get into the particulars here.
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Post by ed978 on Jul 11, 2023 20:14:19 GMT -5
For me, in very vague general terms, I'd rather the Sox re-sign Paxton for what it's likely to take than Yamamoto for what that's likely to take and I wouldn't want both for what that's likely to take. Good chance they get both if they win out on the Yamamoto sweepstakes. Paxton will probably accept a qualifying offer. Who's going to give up a 4th round pick for 34 year old Paxton who pitched around 130 innings this year max? Biggest 2 threats to get Yamamoto will be the Dodgers or Mets (whichever one of these team's ends up losing a seat to the Ohtani sweepstakes). Seattle has a outside shot due to location, maybe. I don't see the Yankees being in on Yamamoto. They just maxed out on Judge, Cole, and Rodon in recent years. Plus that horrible Stanton contract.
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Post by ed978 on Jul 11, 2023 20:31:53 GMT -5
I would try to avoid getting emotionally invested in the Red Sox being the one out of 30 teams to sign a free agent that every team will want. As explained above, there's really 5 teams that has any realistic shot at signing him though. Due to location, money, and big market/win factor. The Sox will have a lot of money to spend next year with the reset of the luxury tax. All of the one year deals coming off the books- Kiké Hernandez, Kluber, Turner, Duval. Then you have Jansen, Martin, Verdugo, and most importantly Chris Sale's contract will be done. So basically, the Sox are maybe the team with the best position to land Yamamoto. Between the dead money coming off the books, and the willingness to spend to past the luxury tax.
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Post by alan on Jul 11, 2023 20:53:01 GMT -5
For me, in very vague general terms, I'd rather the Sox re-sign Paxton for what it's likely to take than Yamamoto for what that's likely to take and I wouldn't want both for what that's likely to take. Good chance they get both if they win out on the Yamamoto sweepstakes. Paxton will probably accept a qualifying offer. Who's going to give up a 4th round pick for 34 year old Paxton who pitched around 130 innings this year max? Biggest 2 threats to get Yamamoto will be the Dodgers or Mets (whichever one of these team's ends up losing a seat to the Ohtani sweepstakes). Seattle has a outside shot due to location, maybe. I don't see the Yankees being in on Yamamoto. They just maxed out on Judge, Cole, and Rodon in recent years. Plus that horrible Stanton contract. 1. I’d put the Rangers up there with the Sox, they have a history of signing Japanese pitchers with Yu Darvish and Kohei Arihara. But after giving deGrom 185 mil last offseason, I’m not sure they’ll be willing to give out another big contract. 2. Giants maybe have an outside shot? But I think they’ll be going after Ohtani. 3. Blue Jays were in on Yoshida this last offseason, and they have Ryu coming off the payroll next season, but they’ll have to pay Vladdy Jr. and Bichette handsomely in the near future, so I’m not sure with them too. 4. Phillies are also reportedly in on Yamamoto, but their payroll is a lot tighter than ours If a bidding war happens and the Red Sox are all in on Yamamoto, I think they have a very good chance of winning
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Post by ed978 on Jul 11, 2023 21:03:03 GMT -5
Good chance they get both if they win out on the Yamamoto sweepstakes. Paxton will probably accept a qualifying offer. Who's going to give up a 4th round pick for 34 year old Paxton who pitched around 130 innings this year max? Biggest 2 threats to get Yamamoto will be the Dodgers or Mets (whichever one of these team's ends up losing a seat to the Ohtani sweepstakes). Seattle has a outside shot due to location, maybe. I don't see the Yankees being in on Yamamoto. They just maxed out on Judge, Cole, and Rodon in recent years. Plus that horrible Stanton contract. 1. I’d put the Rangers up there with the Sox, they have a history of signing Japanese pitchers with Yu Darvish and Kohei Arihara. But after giving deGrom 185 mil last offseason, I’m not sure they’ll be willing to give out another big contract. 2. Giants maybe have an outside shot? But I think they’ll be going after Ohtani. 3. Blue Jays were in on Yoshida this last offseason, and they have Ryu coming off the payroll next season, but they’ll have to pay Vladdy Jr. and Bichette handsomely in the near future, so I’m not sure with them too. 4. Phillies are also reportedly in on Yamamoto, but their payroll is a lot tighter than ours If a bidding war happens and the Red Sox are all in on Yamamoto, I think they have a very good chance of winning I forgot the Giants, I guess they could pull off a Yamamoto singing too. They have the money and location factor with the West Coast. They had the money for Judge and Correa. It's still hanging around there somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Yamamoto got 250 million, with a opt out after 6 years. A team could get creative and do a opt out after 4 for higher AAV. It'll be interesting how the bidding goes.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 12, 2023 2:11:40 GMT -5
1. I’d put the Rangers up there with the Sox, they have a history of signing Japanese pitchers with Yu Darvish and Kohei Arihara. But after giving deGrom 185 mil last offseason, I’m not sure they’ll be willing to give out another big contract. 2. Giants maybe have an outside shot? But I think they’ll be going after Ohtani. 3. Blue Jays were in on Yoshida this last offseason, and they have Ryu coming off the payroll next season, but they’ll have to pay Vladdy Jr. and Bichette handsomely in the near future, so I’m not sure with them too. 4. Phillies are also reportedly in on Yamamoto, but their payroll is a lot tighter than ours If a bidding war happens and the Red Sox are all in on Yamamoto, I think they have a very good chance of winning I forgot the Giants, I guess they could pull off a Yamamoto singing too. They have the money and location factor with the West Coast. They had the money for Judge and Correa. It's still hanging around there somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Yamamoto got 250 million, with a opt out after 6 years. A team could get creative and do a opt out after 4 for higher AAV. It'll be interesting how the bidding goes. wow yesterday was 200 now todays 250. We need 3 starters realistically. You think Blooms going to blow a huge load on 1? I don’t see it happening but maybe. If we’re going short guy I would prefer saving money and getting Stroman but i’m praying that we keep Paxton and are interested in all top 10 FA starters and get 2 of them. No deals over 150 mill. It can be done. OR sign the greatest player in baseball history because he’s also a FA who can pitch and hit! Blank check his way.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2023 6:30:05 GMT -5
I forgot the Giants, I guess they could pull off a Yamamoto singing too. They have the money and location factor with the West Coast. They had the money for Judge and Correa. It's still hanging around there somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Yamamoto got 250 million, with a opt out after 6 years. A team could get creative and do a opt out after 4 for higher AAV. It'll be interesting how the bidding goes. wow yesterday was 200 now todays 250. We need 3 starters realistically. You think Blooms going to blow a huge load on 1? I don’t see it happening but maybe. If we’re going short guy I would prefer saving money and getting Stroman but i’m praying that we keep Paxton and are interested in all top 10 FA starters and get 2 of them. No deals over 150 mill. It can be done. OR sign the greatest player in baseball history because he’s also a FA who can pitch and hit! Blank check his way. No deals over 150? I'm glad the Sox were willing to exceed that when Manny Ramirez was signed. Dont think they win in 2004 without him. I don't think you can handcuff yourself to an arbitrary figure like that, particularly in today's inflationary age or you'll find it difficult to ever acquire elite talent. Better have s spectacular farm system that produces top talent every year, especially if you're not willing to invest 150 million in your own player. I mean even the Rays invested huge bucks in their SS Wander Franci so they don't lose him.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 12, 2023 12:21:01 GMT -5
Let’s get him. Bloom nailed it with Yoshida. I had no clue . I keep laughing at that excecutive that said the Red Sox overbid and. They were the only ones who wanted him. Great I love thank you Mr Bloom
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 12, 2023 12:21:59 GMT -5
Let’s get him. Bloom nailed it with Yoshida. I had no clue . I keep laughing at that excecutive that said the Red Sox overbid and. They were the only ones who wanted him. Great I love thank you Mr Bloom I am dying to know who this guy was. I think it’s an rival of the Sox
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Post by alan on Jul 12, 2023 12:35:53 GMT -5
Let’s get him. Bloom nailed it with Yoshida. I had no clue . I keep laughing at that excecutive that said the Red Sox overbid and. They were the only ones who wanted him. Great I love thank you Mr Bloom I am dying to know who this guy was. I think it’s an rival of the Sox Most people think it’s the Blue Jays cause Yoshida said he originally thought he would sign with Toronto. Funnily enough, the Blue Jays were also at Yamamoto’s latest start and it would be hilarious if we outbid them twice in a row
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Post by Guidas on Jul 12, 2023 13:18:04 GMT -5
Good chance they get both if they win out on the Yamamoto sweepstakes. Paxton will probably accept a qualifying offer. Who's going to give up a 4th round pick for 34 year old Paxton who pitched around 130 innings this year max? Biggest 2 threats to get Yamamoto will be the Dodgers or Mets (whichever one of these team's ends up losing a seat to the Ohtani sweepstakes). Seattle has a outside shot due to location, maybe. I don't see the Yankees being in on Yamamoto. They just maxed out on Judge, Cole, and Rodon in recent years. Plus that horrible Stanton contract. 1. I’d put the Rangers up there with the Sox, they have a history of signing Japanese pitchers with Yu Darvish and Kohei Arihara. But after giving deGrom 185 mil last offseason, I’m not sure they’ll be willing to give out another big contract. 2. Giants maybe have an outside shot? But I think they’ll be going after Ohtani. 3. Blue Jays were in on Yoshida this last offseason, and they have Ryu coming off the payroll next season, but they’ll have to pay Vladdy Jr. and Bichette handsomely in the near future, so I’m not sure with them too. 4. Phillies are also reportedly in on Yamamoto, but their payroll is a lot tighter than ours If a bidding war happens and the Red Sox are all in on Yamamoto, I think they have a very good chance of winning Don't forget Seattle or LAD.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 12, 2023 13:48:34 GMT -5
1. I’d put the Rangers up there with the Sox, they have a history of signing Japanese pitchers with Yu Darvish and Kohei Arihara. But after giving deGrom 185 mil last offseason, I’m not sure they’ll be willing to give out another big contract. 2. Giants maybe have an outside shot? But I think they’ll be going after Ohtani. 3. Blue Jays were in on Yoshida this last offseason, and they have Ryu coming off the payroll next season, but they’ll have to pay Vladdy Jr. and Bichette handsomely in the near future, so I’m not sure with them too. 4. Phillies are also reportedly in on Yamamoto, but their payroll is a lot tighter than ours If a bidding war happens and the Red Sox are all in on Yamamoto, I think they have a very good chance of winning Don't forget Seattle or LAD. Obviously, money will be the biggest factor, however I wonder how much Yoshida might factor into Yamamoto's thinking. It appears they were teammates with the Orix Buffaloes which could only help the Red Sox case... If you were heading off to a foreign country it might be appealing to already know somebody on the other end. Yoshida w/ Yamamoto
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Post by taftreign on Jul 13, 2023 19:24:36 GMT -5
Don't forget Seattle or LAD. Obviously, money will be the biggest factor, however I wonder how much Yoshida might factor into Yamamoto's thinking. It appears they were teammates with the Orix Buffaloes which could only help the Red Sox case... If you were heading off to a foreign country it might be appealing to already know somebody on the other end. Yoshida w/ YamamotoHow about the Ohtani trifecta!!!!
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 13, 2023 19:54:10 GMT -5
Obviously, money will be the biggest factor, however I wonder how much Yoshida might factor into Yamamoto's thinking. It appears they were teammates with the Orix Buffaloes which could only help the Red Sox case... If you were heading off to a foreign country it might be appealing to already know somebody on the other end. Yoshida w/ YamamotoHow about the Ohtani trifecta!!!! I would place the odds on that being about less than 1, but it would certainly be exciting if Henry channeled his inner Steve Cohen.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 13, 2023 22:32:46 GMT -5
How about the Ohtani trifecta!!!! I would place the odds on that being about less than 1, but it would certainly be exciting if Henry channeled his inner Steve Cohen. Clearly the financial aspect looms large but from a roster perspective your essentially adding to the current roster two huge bats (Story’s return from injury and Ohtani) and two top 3 rotation starters (Ohtani and Yamamoto). Add in the next few years of impact from prospect development and the future looks bright. Also would be a solid sales pitch to both about the competitiveness of this team.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 13, 2023 22:44:56 GMT -5
How about the Ohtani trifecta!!!! I would place the odds on that being about less than 1, but it would certainly be exciting if Henry channeled his inner Steve Cohen. The outer Steve Cohen is probably having it out with the inner guy after what's gone down with the Mets in the first half.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 14, 2023 8:37:49 GMT -5
I would place the odds on that being about less than 1, but it would certainly be exciting if Henry channeled his inner Steve Cohen. The outer Steve Cohen is probably having it out with the inner guy after what's gone down with the Mets in the first half. Insert the "he's right you know" meme here.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 14, 2023 9:10:32 GMT -5
I removed a bunch of posts related to joke about Yamamoto's name. I don't think it was ill intentioned, but removed that post and subsequent discussion so we can stick on topic. Thanks.
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Post by alan on Jul 15, 2023 3:30:36 GMT -5
Yamamoto today: 8 IP, 0 ER, 9 K, 114 pitches I want him so bad
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Post by radiohix on Jul 15, 2023 10:56:35 GMT -5
Yamamoto today: 8 IP, 0 ER, 9 K, 114 pitches I want him so bad And 0 walks 😃 The man sports an Ueharian 103 K to 12 BB for the season. I’m counting on greatscottcooper’s vinyl printer to churn signs all off-season long till Chaim signs him lol
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 15, 2023 15:09:14 GMT -5
Yamamoto today: 8 IP, 0 ER, 9 K, 114 pitches I want him so bad It would be very silly if you provided updates after every start...but I would also read each post.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 15, 2023 16:01:25 GMT -5
Yamamoto today: 8 IP, 0 ER, 9 K, 114 pitches I want him so bad And 0 walks 😃 The man sports an Ueharian 103 K to 12 BB for the season. I’m counting on greatscottcooper’s vinyl printer to churn signs all off-season long till Chaim signs him lol It would be great if Bloom signed him but I wouldn't count on it. There's going to be a lot of competition for his services and it's quite conceivable the Sox dont end up getting him. I hope they do, but until they actually do....
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Post by ed978 on Jul 15, 2023 16:55:19 GMT -5
And 0 walks 😃 The man sports an Ueharian 103 K to 12 BB for the season. I’m counting on greatscottcooper’s vinyl printer to churn signs all off-season long till Chaim signs him lol It would be great if Bloom signed him but I wouldn't count on it. There's going to be a lot of competition for his services and it's quite conceivable the Sox dont end up getting him. I hope they do, but until they actually do.... I think he's in the Sox price range of the Sox sweet spot though. Even if he costs 200-250 million, the Sox have been known to go to that price easy with a few great players. Where they've balked is that 300+ million range for a lot of years. They've only done it once, for fan favorite and prospect turned superstar in Devers. That was a very favorable contract for the Sox, too (Devers only being paid until he's 34). The Sox could pay this guy for 9 years and come out on top. I think Chaim has the full "go get this guy" green light from ownership when it comes. In the end I think it comes down to what Yamamoto wants and where he wants to go.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 15, 2023 17:00:41 GMT -5
I know some people have said the Sox only spent $300 on Devers to salvage the Bogaerts situation, or to save face with fans etc. which I think most of us would agree is bull.
What I saw, was that they’re willing to throw big money around to younger guys. Devers got 10 years in his mid 20’s not at 30.
Yamamoto fits the bill at 25 years old, or at least he will be 25 when he starts pitching in a Sox uniform hehe. Obviously I do t think he gets 300 but I don’t think money is going to be an issue, If the Sox like him, I think they will make a real competitive offer for him.
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